The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

[Jay]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure/2005/

Make up your own minds by reviewing these sites.

I love looking over those salaries for the medical industry.....People who are supposed to be working in an environment of "people first, no profit from health-care" sure make gobs of money off of it....

 

[orpheus]

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Canada discriminates in so many different ways. Granted not in violent ways, but in economic and opportunities based on Culture.

I would disagree. If you look at the cutlural aspects its often because of immigration. We all know that if you're trained as an engineer in Lebannon you'd would probably have to redo your education here. And often, we have these engineers driving cabs. The opportunity is always there, but we haven't made it as easy as possible for immigrants.

I love looking over those salaries for the medical industry.....People who are supposed to be working in an environment of "people first, no profit from health-care" sure make gobs of money off of it....

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

 

[iamcanadian]

The things that really stand out are the jobs of senior bureaucrats in public works and business services. Most of those people are not qualified to hold their professions, yet are making more money than most private professionals in their same professions.

They use the gauge of professions like Doctors (who are all paid based on a uniform Government Approved Salary more or less and than extend the pay to the non-medical professions to government jobs aquired by atritian after starting off as the Dog Catcher by some nepotisimish appointment.

They sit warming a chair for enough years and are making six figure salaries without the competence of a Flea to do their stated profession.

Professional Beureacrats making six figures for what is basically just clerical work.

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure/2005/

Make up your own minds by reviewing these sites.

ive reviewed the list --briefly
are you saying that most of the names are european sounding...

im not sure what you getting at...

i cant tell from viewing the list whether these people are
competant or not

as far as the requires qualifications.. i cant comment from direct experience

but i got into a discussion once with a pathologist-- trying to defend his large salary
pathologists seem to be on that list-- bbut not say surgeons--- is that because pathologists tend to salaried and surgeons are fee for service--- i dont know
anyway
his defense was basically the extremely long and difficult training required
something like

4 years university in a BSc program
4 years medical school
1 year of internship
4 years pathology residency training

13 years post secondary education
and you have to get great marks etc

im not sure what you pay someone like that

compare to say
professional atheletes

i dont know
what exactly would be fair
and again im not sure how this relates to the thread ie racial discrimination

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.

but in a for- profit system
youd probably have to pay all these people that amount of money
plus have something left over to make a --corporate profit---
for people who do even less--- ie invest their money--as investors -- not as customers

anyway---
i dont have the stats but at one point the US HMO,s were criticised for amoung other things paying their CEOs salaries in the MILLIONS

back to our sacred canadian health care system.....
of course everyone would like to get paid proportion to their training and degree of responsability--
call that for profit if you wish

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.

but in a for- profit system
youd probably have to pay all these people that amount of money
plus have something left over to make a --corporate profit---
for people who do even less--- ie invest their money--as investors -- not as customers

And I don't disagree....but under the private system it would at least be an honest description of the system, rather than the one we have now.

There is no shortage of people making serious profit in this system; at least we could stop fooling ourselves into thinking otherwise....it's just hard to capture Liberal votes that way.

 

[cortez]

Jay, I am not clear about your definition of FOR PROFIT. To me, for profit means a corporate profit over and above the cost of running the services. Even a private company has to pay costs such as salaries. The public run hospitals do not accrue a profit over and above the costs of services.

 

[Jay]

Mainly it is a sarcastic critique of the system...I say BS it's not for profit.

It's just that "certain" people in this country don't seem to understand milking the government and the tax payer is profitable.

 

[iamcanadian]

Excecutives in the private sector that get paid MILLIONS earn every penny by ability and merit.

Public Sector Executives making more then $50K is a rip off. They don't get the jobs on merit and nothing they do personally makes any difference to anyones bottom line.

They do clerical work at best, appart from the out-of-school activities they do once there, which should not count towards personal merit or worth to be paid anything for, since they take what they want anyway regardless what they get paid.

 

[iamcanadian]

Most not for profit activities are make work make jobs for themselves activities by those running them.

Very few non-profit organizations have volunteers running them. Those that get paid salaries are handsomly paid much more so than they could earn in the private sector based on their personal abilities and merit.

On the issue of Doctors, they are likely underpaid, but the non-medical staff people around them are grossly over paid compared to similar work in other activities.

There was once a lot made about equallity of pay between men and women. What about equallity of pay between private and public sector employment?

Public Employees should be paid something less than their employers (the taxpayers) doing the same level of effort and work reletively speaking. The same process of evaluating pay between equality of employement should apply to public sector pay scales.

 

[Jersay]

What does this have to do with racial discrimination. Get your own thread to discuss this issue. :wink:

Back to the topic at hand, we have made progress but work is still needed, and I think we should turn our attentions to all ethnic groups with regards to marriage and dating between two different ethnic peoples because like Colpy said some people do kill because of disgrace.

 

[iamcanadian]

What does this have to do with racial discrimination. Get your own thread to discuss this issue.

The Canadian People suffer from serious discrimination between people with Government Jobs and those with Private Jobs. Those in Government feel superior and entittled to screw members of the general public whenever they get the chance.

It's discrimination by the rulling class of its people. It is worse than when we had a Monarchy, since then only know few had the entittlement of inherited public power. Today they all feel they can do as they please with public authority and pass on the right to their kin and kind.

 

[cortez]

ok
but thats not RACIAL discrimination

 

[Jay]

No, but affirmative action is.

 

[cortez]

maybe
im lost in this thread
are you implying that the names on that list of overpaid public servants reflects a bias towards minorities-- it seems like a pretty diverse sounding liist of names..of course we cant SEE them -- seriously -- im not sure where this is going

ive never seem an afirmative action plan here in canada- maybe you have--
isnt AA an american thing

 

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

ok
but thats not RACIAL discrimination

Discrimination in all of its ugly forms comes does to race. But why is Racial Discrimination any more evil than other forms? Look at the many places in the world people are killing each other merely based on culture or possitions or even which side of a river one lives on. Its all equally bad.

Look at the Nazi. They discriminted over CULTURES.

There was no obvious physical characteristics among the Jews, Gypsies etc. and it was their religion and culture that made up part of the RACIAL distinctions.

In Canada where you have Irish last names in Ontario and French last names in Quebec opening doors for government contracts government money and senior government positions, the discrimination may not be as absolute that they put people in gas chamber; but if one is not of the right "race" your chances for advancement are greatly reduced. Furthermore if you manage to compete sucsefully for say Governmnt Contracts out of better ability and higher merit, the ingraned class group will band together to put them out of business to protect the turf of their own kind, which can be as bad or worse than being sent to Auschwitz.

 

[FiveParadox]

Happy International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, everyone!

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

ok
but thats not RACIAL discrimination

Discrimination in all of its ugly forms comes does to race. But why is Racial Discrimination any more evil than other forms? Look at the many places in the world people are killing each other merely based on culture or possitions or even which side of a river one lives on. Its all equally bad.

Look at the Nazi. They discriminted over CULTURES.

There was no obvious physical characteristics among the Jews, Gypsies etc. and it was their religion and culture that made up part of the RACIAL distinctions.

In Canada where you have Irish last names in Ontario and French last names in Quebec opening doors for government contracts government money and senior government positions, the discrimination may not be as absolute that they put people in gas chamber; but if one is not of the right "race" your chances for advancement are greatly reduced. Furthermore if you manage to compete sucsefully for say Governmnt Contracts out of better ability and higher merit, the ingraned class group will band together to put them out of business to protect the turf of their own kind, which can be as bad or worse than being sent to Auschwitz.

yeah ok
i see yer point
but im not sure again who you think the dominant group is say in ontario that discriminates against others
are you saying that theres a bias in favour of people with irish last names in ontario--
i have lived in ontario for 30 years- and cant say i can coroborate that theory
if that is what u are saying

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

ive never seem an afirmative action plan here in canada- maybe you have--
isnt AA an american thing

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/


(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.