The Easter Rising, 100 years on
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Niall will take good care of you. Get one of his fly/drive packages, fly into Shannon, then drive down to Kerry. Drive the Ring of Kerry and the Dingle, then up into Clare. Take the Burren Road and see all the ancient structures. Then into Galway for the city and Connemara. Slip up into Mayo and look around some, be sure to take in Achill Island. Then shoot over to Northern Ireland (enter at Enniskillen) and drive up and around the northeast coast. See the Giant's Causeway and the Glens of Antrim. Swing down past Dublin and see St. Kevin's Church and the Powerscourt Waterfall in Wicklow. Take in Waterford, then up to Kildare and shoot across on the N7 to Limerick. Turn north into Clare and you're back at Shannon.
Don't take the B&B vouchers, just pay cash. That way the voucher people don't get a %age. There are books of B&Bs at the airport when you come in. April and October are good times, because all the Yanks have gone home, but the weather's still pretty nice.
But when he got to the railway bridge the rebels he saw there...
Ol' Johnson knew the game was up for at him they did stare...
He said I have a permit... to travel near and far...
To hell with your English permit boy we want your motor car
Ol' Johnson knew the game was up for at him they did stare...
He said I have a permit... to travel near and far...
To hell with your English permit boy we want your motor car
Bull****. The British won. The Irish republicans, who wanted the whole of Ireeland to be independent, were defeated by the British in the 1919-1921 Irish War of Independence as the northern parts of Ireland decided to remain within the UK, as they still are.
I'm sorry, but he's right and you're wrong. Despite what Irish republican scum like to believe, it was England's Norman rulers who invaded Ireland. And, ironically, this invasion of Ireland had the backing of the Irish republicans' beloved Pope.
England was under Norman rule in the 12th Century. Strongbow (Norman French "Arc-Fort"), of whom the cider is named, might have been born in England but he was part of the Norman ruling class which was ruling England at the time. And they were INVITED over to Ireland by an Irish king.
The Norman invasion of Ireland took place in stages during the late 12th century, at a time when Gaelic Ireland was made up of several kingdoms, with a High King claiming lordship over all.
In May 1169, Cambro-Norman mercenaries landed in Ireland at the request of Diarmait Mac Murchada (Dermot MacMurragh), the ousted King of Leinster, who had sought their help in regaining his kingdom. This military intervention had the backing of King Henry II of England. Pope Adrian IV had authorized Henry to conquer Ireland as a means of bringing the Irish church into line. Diarmait and the Normans seized Leinster within weeks and launched raids into neighbouring kingdoms.
In the summer of 1170, there were two further Norman landings, led by Richard 'Strongbow' de Clare. By May 1171, Strongbow had assumed control of Leinster and seized the Norse-Irish city kingdoms of Dublin, Waterford, and Wexford. That summer, High King Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair (Rory O'Connor) led an Irish counteroffensive against the Normans, but they managed to hold most of their conquered territory. In October 1171, King Henry landed a large Anglo-Norman army in Ireland to establish control over both the Cambro-Normans and the Irish. The Norman lords handed their conquered territory to Henry. He let Strongbow hold Leinster in fief and declared the cities to be crown land. Many Irish kings also submitted to him, likely in the hope that he would curb Norman expansion. Henry, however, granted the unconquered kingdom of Meath to Hugh de Lacy. After Henry's departure in 1172, Norman expansion and Irish counteroffensives continued.
The 1175 Treaty of Windsor acknowledged Henry as overlord of the conquered territory and Ruaidrí as overlord of the rest of Ireland, with Ruaidrí also swearing fealty to Henry. However, the Treaty soon fell apart; the Anglo-Norman lords continued to invade Irish kingdoms and they in turn launched counter-attacks. In 1177, Henry adopted a new policy. He declared his son John to be "Lord of Ireland" (i.e. of the whole island) and authorized the Norman lords to conquer more land. The territory they held became the Lordship of Ireland and formed part of the Angevin Empire. The largely successful nature of the invasion has been attributed to a number of factors. These include the Normans' alleged military superiority and programme of castle-building; the lack of a unified opposition from the Irish; and the Church's support for Henry's intervention.[1]
The Norman invasion was a watershed in the history of Ireland, marking the beginning of more than 700 years of direct English and, later, British involvement in Ireland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_invasion_of_Ireland
The Cromwellian conquest of Ireland was entirely justified and his so-called "murderous, genocidal rampage" through Ireland was no more murderous or genocidal than most military campaigns in Europe and elsewhere at the time and the numbers killed are often exagerrated by Irish nationalists.
Actually, the settlements in the north of Ireland were established by a Scotsman - King James VI of Scotland, I of England - and a huge number of the Protestant settlers in that area were Scots, hence why a large number of Northern Irishmen are known as Ulster Scots. Thertefore, you could say it is the Scots who are to blame for the large Protestant and Loyalist presence in Northern Ireland. But I suppose it's more PC to blame the English.
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Yeah. they only lost 26 out of 32 counties. The Briddish won like they win World Cups.
The Irish republicans were defeated by the British in the Irish War of Independence as they failed to achieve their objective.
You may say that "only" six counties of Ireland still remain in the UK, but Irish republicans have been so outraged by it that we had about thirty years of the Troubles between about 1968 and 1998. The Troubles were caused by the British defeat of the Irish republicans in the Irish War of Independence. The Irish republicans have always wanted a 32-county Irish Republic, something they have failed to achieve. They lost.
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I love that one.
Too bad they failed.
Just as the British failed their objective which was to keep the whole island.
I remember as a boy how my Irish mother hated the English for the things they did.
She talked about it from time to time and I remember saying as long as the IRA
stuck to killing as many English soldiers as possible they were good and as for the
North the Irish didn't consider them Irish they were traitors to Ireland in the eyes of
many. It is a hundred years since and only a fraction of the animosity remains but
the evil English are not forgotten completely. Funny the things the British Crown
did in America and to Louie Riel in Manitoba are the things the same British Crown
deplores today interesting
She talked about it from time to time and I remember saying as long as the IRA
stuck to killing as many English soldiers as possible they were good and as for the
North the Irish didn't consider them Irish they were traitors to Ireland in the eyes of
many. It is a hundred years since and only a fraction of the animosity remains but
the evil English are not forgotten completely. Funny the things the British Crown
did in America and to Louie Riel in Manitoba are the things the same British Crown
deplores today interesting
Whenever I think of Ireland I think of the old movie classic "The Quiet Man" with John Wayne and Maureen O Hara.
The Highland clearances and the potato family populated pioneer Upper Canada. It wasn't their intention but the British founded a not very English country on the northern half of North America.
That's a simplistic and ignorant way of looking at things. Things were a lot more complicated.
The British were seeking Home Rule for the whole of Ireland within the United Kingdom, something which the majority of the Irish wanted. Most Irish at this stage did not want to secede from the UK and were content with Home Rule within the UK.
However, the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) opposed Irish Home Rule and formed their own militia, the Ulster Volunteers, opposing it. The Irish nationalists, in turn, formed a rival militia, the Irish Volunteers, to fight for Home Rule.
The UK Parliament was about to pass a Bill for Irish Home Rule but this was suspended temporarily when WWI broke out in 1914.
The Irish republicans were also opposed to Britain's involvement in the war against the evil Hun and even colluded with them, with the Hun providing them with weapons.
On 21st January 1919, after Britain's victory in WWI, Sinn Féin formed a breakaway government in Ireland and, later that day, the IRA shot dead two police officers. This is often seen as the beginning of the Irish War of Independence, with the IRA attacking police officers and British soldiers. It was during this conflict that Irish public opinion turned away from Home Rule within the UK and towards full independence, shocked as they were at some of the mass killings committed by British troops (despite the fact that the IRA were, themselves, very good at mass murder atrocities). However, there were many Protestants in the north of Ireland who opposed Irish independence. The Irish War of Independence therefore ended in 1921 with the Anglo-Irish Treaty, which provided for the creation of an independent Irish Free State as a self-governing dominion within the Commonwealth (the first use by the UK government of this term, rather than "British Empire", in an official document). It also provided for Northern Ireland, which had been created in 1920, to opt out of being part of the Irish Free State. It took the decision to remain separate from the Irish Free State and remain within the UK.
The Irish Free State became a republic in 1949 - the Republic of Ireland. In the same year, it also seceded from the Commonwealth.
Of course, the Irish republicans were outraged at this and wanted Northern Ireland as part of the Irish Free State and so the Irish Civil War broke out in 1922. This was fought between the pro-Treaty forces of the Irish Free State (which were supported and heavily armed by the British) and the anti-Treaty forces. The civil war ended in May 1923 as a victory for the pro-Treaty forces.
Hence why Northern Ireland remains within the UK to this day and why Irish republicans are still peeved by it. In the 1960s the Troubles started, with the republicans yet again attempting to extricate Northern Ireland from the UK and merge it with the Republic of Ireland - a 32-county Republic. This conflict was ended in 1998 with the passing of the Good Friday Agreement. One of the terms of the agreement was that the Republic of Ireland relinquish its claim to Northern Ireland. In two referendums held on 22nd May 1998, the Agreement was approved by voters across the island of Ireland.
Although the Highland Clearances were perpetrated by Scotttish landowners. Nothing to do with the English.
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I'm sorry, but England isn't a sovereign state and nor was it in the 1840s. It doesn't even have its own government.