The Death Penalty
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Wow, this board churns along fast. Maybe too fast for me to make any points here, but I’ll try anyways.
To reiterate, a police officer is more beneficial to society than a hobo. Now, that's less of a generality that suggests that all police officers are superior to all hobos, and more of an assumption that the average police officer earns his place in society, whereas the average hobo does not. Sure you could find examples of police corruption and a hobo doing a great deed, but extremism isn't the issue here.
Gordon J Torture, a police officer is more beneficial to society than a hobo, on the average. And even if one were to assume that every police officer is corrupt, and that every hobo is not, that does not in turn make the hobo a positive force on society, but rather a neutral one. Though that's clearly not the case, and the point is irrelevant.
If one were to take every police officer and every hobo, and match their respective numbers up and hold all things equal, the police officer would prove more beneficial to society than a hobo every single time.
So does that mean that laws should be dictated by one's rank in society? In general, of course not. But in the case of police officers I see it as a sign of respect - the same way veterans should be afforded it. When a person steps up and accepts responsibility for maintaining order and morality in soceity, the least we can do is punish the attacks against them with the veracity to quell future crimes.
To reiterate, a police officer is more beneficial to society than a hobo. Now, that's less of a generality that suggests that all police officers are superior to all hobos, and more of an assumption that the average police officer earns his place in society, whereas the average hobo does not. Sure you could find examples of police corruption and a hobo doing a great deed, but extremism isn't the issue here.
Gordon J Torture, a police officer is more beneficial to society than a hobo, on the average. And even if one were to assume that every police officer is corrupt, and that every hobo is not, that does not in turn make the hobo a positive force on society, but rather a neutral one. Though that's clearly not the case, and the point is irrelevant.
If one were to take every police officer and every hobo, and match their respective numbers up and hold all things equal, the police officer would prove more beneficial to society than a hobo every single time.
So does that mean that laws should be dictated by one's rank in society? In general, of course not. But in the case of police officers I see it as a sign of respect - the same way veterans should be afforded it. When a person steps up and accepts responsibility for maintaining order and morality in soceity, the least we can do is punish the attacks against them with the veracity to quell future crimes.
Gordon J Torture, a police officer is more beneficial to society than a hobo, on the average.
Never argued that my friend.
I know, I was just reiterating. It seemed as if were deferring towards extremism for some reason; like you really wanted to argue a point against police officers. Have you been involved with some police corruption in the past?
missile said:If one murders a policeman or some other member of the law,the penalties are stiffer than for killing an ordinary person. As the police are armed and trained to defend themselves,and we aren't,this policy should be reversed.
Commiting murder is wrong, no matter who the victim is. Canada needs to have a strong detterent against those who willingly commit murder. The only real detterent is the Death Penalty. There is no other alternative.
The death penalty doesn't act as a deterrent, James. That's been shown in study after study.It does lead to the state sanctioned murder of innocent people who have been wrongly convicted though. That has also shown up in study after study.
Damn straight that it isn't a deterrent. In the US, states that have the death penalty have equal recidivism rates as those that do not. But, one can also point to the fact that authoritarian regimes, like China, use the death penalty for menial things like robbery, and they have very low rates now. Overall though, it just doesn't work.
The death penalty as a deterrent is a band-aid solution, and amounts to nothing. Maybe we should be more concerned with why we need band-aids in the first place. I personally don't see crime as some inevitable sociological issue. It can be curbed, but one must address the forces that create it.
True sociopath's are rare, so the majority of crime is likely opportunistic.
The death penalty as a deterrent is a band-aid solution, and amounts to nothing. Maybe we should be more concerned with why we need band-aids in the first place. I personally don't see crime as some inevitable sociological issue. It can be curbed, but one must address the forces that create it.
True sociopath's are rare, so the majority of crime is likely opportunistic.