The construction of the upper atmosphere.

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The age of the Earth has been determined to be about 4.5 billion years (4,540,000,000 years),[1] corresponding approximately to one third of the age of the universe, and immense geological and biological changes and upheavals have occurred during that time span. The formation of the Earth and the simultaneous formation of the Sun and other bodies of the solar system resulted from the contraction of a solar nebula. The nebula developed into a protoplanetary disk with the Sun forming in its centre and the planets forming by accretion of material in orbit around it. The Earth was formed 10 million years after the beginning of contraction. Heat generated by impacts and contraction meant that it was totally molten, and a differentation took place, forming an inner core of the heaviest elements and a mantle and proto-crust of the lighter elements. Around this time the Moon was formed, possibly by a giant impact between the Earth and a smaller planet. The Earth was steadily cooling and acquired a solid crust that gave rise to the first continents. A major bombardment from icy meteorites and comets supplied the Earth with an enormous amount of water that created the oceans, while volcanic activity and water vapor created an atmosphere, devoid of oxygen. The continents floated on the molten mantle of the planet and through plate tectonics assembled into supercontinents that later broke up again in a process that has been repeated several times during the passing of the billions of years.

Chemical reactions created organic molecules which interacted to create still more elaborate and complicated structures, and finally gave rise to a molecule that was able to create copies of itself. This abilitiy initiated the evolution and led to the creation of life. At first life started in the form of one-celled organisms but later multicellularity developed, and a major evolution was the process of photosynthesis which supplied oxygen to the atmosphere and led to the creation of an ozone layer. The life forms branched into many species and became still more advanced, colonizing the land and gradually filling all the habitats of the Earth. Ice ages, volcanic eruptions, and major impacts of meteorites have caused several mass extinctions of life forms, but the remaining species have developed in new directions and have created a lasting biosphere.

About six million years ago, a split of branches of what was then the evolutionary family tree ultimately led to the modern man. The ability to walk upright, an increase in brain size, and improvement of communication skills were crucial factors. Man learned to control fire, developed agriculture and began systematic husbandry of animals and plants. This improved living conditions and societies and civilizations with religious and cultural characteristics formed. Through progress in science, writing, organization of governments, transportation and communication, man has become the dominant species on Earth and influences the environment and all other life forms. The scope of human activity and an increasing population now require mankind to apply a global perspective on major concerns and problems like protection of the environment, exploitation of natural resources, protection of wildlife, and climate change.
 

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The earth was never a flaming sun to be a flaming sun a thermunuclear reaction should take place where hydrogen atoms fused to form heavier elements like Helium therefore the earth NEVER went under nuclear fusion to be a flaming sun


OK ShintoMale, the earth was certainly very hot at the start of its formation. We say it was part of a broken-up sun, but you don't like this. Anyhow the earth was very hot at the start, and gases and smoke fill its initial atmosphere; and till now the gases emerge from the earth like the natural gas and the gases emerging from volcanoes and mineral springs ...etc.

So the origin of the atmsophere is from the Earth itself; and to each planet its gaseous layers of its atmosphere (with the exception of Mercury which lost its atmsophere, and Venus which atmosphere has returned to its smoke state.)
 

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OK ShintoMale, the earth was certainly very hot at the start of its formation. We say it was part of a broken-up sun, but you don't like this. Anyhow the earth was very hot at the start, and gases and smoke fill its initial atmosphere; and till now the gases emerge from the earth like the natural gas and the gases emerging from volcanoes and mineral springs ...etc.

So the origin of the atmsophere is from the Earth itself; and to each planet its gaseous layers of its atmosphere (with the exception of Mercury which lost its atmsophere, and Venus which atmosphere has returned to its smoke state.)



Solar System Formation

Scientists believe that the solar system was formed when a cloud of gas and dust in space was disturbed, maybe by the explosion of a nearby star (called a supernova). This explosion made waves in space which squeezed the cloud of gas and dust. Squeezing made the cloud start to collapse, as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. Just like a dancer that spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the center, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the center but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons . Near the center of the cloud, where planets like Earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed. As the cloud continued to fall in, the center eventually got so hot that it became a star, the Sun, and blew most of the gas and dust of the new solar system with a strong stellar wind. By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4,600 million years old!
 

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Good day to you eanassir,

Who told you I need permission to use such a well known name?

How do you know that Socrates is not my real name?

Don’t be jealous my friend, just keep posting but please separate spirituality from science, the two are form a deferent mother and father. When you use both to prove one it makes it confusing. Science and religion are two opposite magnets they do not like each other.
 

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Solar System Formation

Scientists believe that the solar system was formed when a cloud of gas and dust in space was disturbed, maybe by the explosion of a nearby star (called a supernova). This explosion made waves in space which squeezed the cloud of gas and dust. Squeezing made the cloud start to collapse, as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. Just like a dancer that spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the center, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the center but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons . Near the center of the cloud, where planets like Earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed. As the cloud continued to fall in, the center eventually got so hot that it became a star, the Sun, and blew most of the gas and dust of the new solar system with a strong stellar wind. By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4,600 million years old!

That is physically impossible. All mass in the solar system originated in the light at the beginning, similar to an welding rod spewing a stream of matter, a dump of scavenged ions from accross galaxies. Hey, have you heard about the round thing they call a wheel.:lol:
 

darkbeaver

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Good day to you eanassir,

Who told you I need permission to use such a well known name?

How do you know that Socrates is not my real name?

Don’t be jealous my friend, just keep posting but please separate spirituality from science, the two are form a deferent mother and father. When you use both to prove one it makes it confusing. Science and religion are two opposite magnets they do not like each other.
Actually science and spirit are inseperably bound in the one completeness. They have the same parentage as well.
 

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Not just a lot. Most of it's mythological, including the basis of it, the claim that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us. Both the Bible and the Quran are myths and fables reflecting a certain didactic and political agenda, but citing them as if they were legitimate history or science books, or predictions for future history, as about half a dozen people around here regularly do, is indefensible.

You have no regard whatever for your ancestors do you. Have you ever stopped to think that if these people were even a fraction as stupid as you think we would very likely not be here. They informed you, they made you, they are a part of you and you are as bound by myth as the meanest entrail reader. You are not alone adrift in contemporary western myth you and your fellow pneumerologists. You indefensibly cling to modern myth unable to take advantage of the evolution in thinking required to advance the species. The Aliens are reading these threads Dexter, I don't think they'll be offering you a ride.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Hey Darkbeaver good day to you’ It is fact that miracles are a form of an elusion that fouls the human eye.

No one with physical mass can escape gravity when it was said that Jesus walked the surface of water. Mosses did not have hidden super powers to part the water to send the Israelis to freedom that is all bed time stories,that is all a mith. The fact that there is a super invisible power or force I will always respect that view, anything else is mythology. Science proves that no one can escape gravity. You or eanassir have never met with the supreme force, and you should stop talking as if you had diner with God.
 

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... I don't think they'll be offering you a ride.
Try to imagine how much I don't care what you think about anything. You haven't impressed me as having a good grip on reality, you still haven't produced the physics you said you'd do several months ago (I'm sure because you can't), and you've been responding to my posts lately with sneering and derisive comments like that one. I don't see any reason to pay any further attention to you.
 

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I have much difficulty with the internet service; to the extent that it is very difficult now to access to my thread; later on it may become better.

As regards the "electrical universe" of darkbeaver; of course the electricity is everywhere in the universe; and it is the negative and positive charges, electrons and protons that is in the atoms which means all the matter and the energy that transforms from one form to another.

Abu abd-Allah (the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) explained it in a better way: the heat is the indicative mark that an object is alive or dead.
The hot object moves and rotates around itself and attracts the cold objects or the objects less than it in heat.
 

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Both ShintoMale and Dexter are lovers of science, and I think all others including darkbeaver, myself and the rest of members and readers do love science; therefore the one who does not love science has a rigid heart :)

I admit that I cannot overcome Dexter in language expression and some of his science knowledge.

But ShintoMale said: an object hit the earth some thousands of years ago and caused the detachment of the Moon from its mother Earth.

I say: Yes, the Moon had separated from the Earth, but how do you know that the earth was hit by such an object that caused such detachment of the Moon?

Moreover, how had the rest of the moons detached from their mothers: the planets? Did the same object hit all these planets or each planet had been hit by a special object? And how can you believe such a story with certainty?
 

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Constituents of the seven gaseous heavens



"The origin of the gaseous heavens is from the Earth itself, and that was when the Earth was a flaming sun; and the emergence of gases was in the form of smoke which was a mixture of seven gases [in addition to the constituents of the air or the troposphere].

And due to the fact that some of the gases are heavy, while some others are light; they started to separate from each other; because the heavy one came down while the light gas went up, till they became seven layers:

the first layer is the ozone gas [layer] about 25 miles away from us, the other layers came under it like the layers of the sulphur dioxide (SO2), the hydrogen, the helium and the rest of the gases.

This is roughly speaking, for we cannot know those gases exactly because we are on the Earth and the gases are high up in the sky. [it is very difficult to know exactly about these gases and these layers; scientists use the balloons and some indirect methods like the spectrum of the light reflection.

The indication, that the sky is gaseous, can be seen in the following Quranic revelation 41:11-12

ثمّ استوى إلى السماءِ و هي دُخانٌ فقالَ لَها و لِلأرضِ ائتِيا طَوعاً أو كَرهاً قالتا أتَينا طائعِين. فقضاهنّ سبعَ سماواتٍ في يومَينِ ...

The explanation: (Then He tended to [build*] the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, “Come, both of you, willingly or loath.” The two said, “We [all] have come obedient.” And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days.)
[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive and to build them, or to arrange them as successive layers.]

The interpretation:
>> (Then He tended to [build] the sky) means: the sky of the Earth,
>> (And it had been smoke) means the smoke that emerged from the Earth which was in fact a mixture of seven gases [in addition to the gases of the air or troposphere],
>> (He said to it) i.e. the sky [or the gaseous heaven]
>> (and to the earth, “Come, both of you,) to the gravitation
>> (willingly or loath.” The two said, “We [all] have come obedient” And He separated them) and made them
>> (seven firmaments); The explanation: He separated that smoke, and made it seven layers
>> (in two days), i.e. within a period of two thousand years; that is because one day of the Hereafter equals one thousand of our years.

The easiest way to classify these layers is by the temperature mode of increasing or decreasing, but by the constituents of the atmosphere, it will be better, in spite of that it is very difficult.


Earth was not a flaming sun, smoke is made of particulates, gases are not particulates.
Your joke isn't very good.
 

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I have much difficulty with the internet service; to the extent that it is very difficult now to access to my thread; later on it may become better.

As regards the "electrical universe" of darkbeaver; of course the electricity is everywhere in the universe; and it is the negative and positive charges, electrons and protons that is in the atoms which means all the matter and the energy that transforms from one form to another.

Abu abd-Allah (the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) explained it in a better way: the heat is the indicative mark that an object is alive or dead.
The hot object moves and rotates around itself and attracts the cold objects or the objects less than it in heat.
Crap. Plants are no warmer than the air around them.
 

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The fate of the gaseous layers of the atmosphere

Every material structure is going to be destroyed by time.

So the gaseous heavens – being a construction – are going to be ruined and demolished;
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_4.htm#The_Sky_Will_Be_Upset
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_4.htm#The_Sky_Will_Be_Cleft
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_4.htm#The_Gaseous_Layers_[on_Doomsday]

Its system and order will be disturbed, and it will return again to be smoke, as was it in its initial development: its gases will mix with each other to become a thick smoke as was it at the start; like what has happened to Venus, the atmosphere of which now is in the form of a thick cloud of smoke.

Then because of the weak gravity of the earth, the atmosphere gases will be gradually be lost into the outer space like what had happened to Mercury, which almost had lost its atmosphere.
 
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Try to imagine how much I don't care what you think about anything. You haven't impressed me as having a good grip on reality, you still haven't produced the physics you said you'd do several months ago (I'm sure because you can't), and you've been responding to my posts lately with sneering and derisive comments like that one. I don't see any reason to pay any further attention to you.

Are you sure you don't care? You haven't seen any math from me not because I can't but because I won't ,I don't have to, I told you a long time ago when we need a calculator we will buy one. Sneering and derision just the same as you direct toward the poor religious (insert smile pat head nod knowingly).You can dish it out but you can't take it. You didn't see any reason to pay further attention to me about ten thousand posts ago and still you persist in illogical and unreasoned interjections.
You display all the classic symptoms of caring deeply possibly obcessively, you want to have a big tail and nice teeth just like me or maybe Madonna I can't tell yet, it's too soon, we'll have to boil you some more. I don't have any trouble with physics, you do priest. Reality s very big and moves arround alot Dexter I'm pretty sure you haven't understood much of it yet.:smile:
 
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