The Big Lie--They're Fighting for Our Freedom

[Musicman]

There were ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda as far back as the Clinton Administration...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm

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Interesting. In one thread you lecture us on the dangers of extremism and in this thread you quote from the Washington "mooney" Times.

This is only one link of many that have been posted on this forum showing the ties between Saddam and terrorists. Only those in deep denial continue to argue this point.

 

[peapod]

>>> During one of his rare press conferences, President Bush admitted something which completely contradicts what we've been hearing from him, most other politicians, and the mainstream media. Not surprisingly, the media have completely ignored this; I couldn't find a single article that mentions it in any news source, domestic or foreign.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

Maybe you should hum another tune musicman :roll:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

This is only one link of many that have been posted on this forum showing the ties between Saddam and terrorists. Only those in deep denial continue to argue this point.

this really goes from the sublime to the rediculous.

Is there any nation on this planet now that cannot be "found" to have some link (direct or indirect) to some terrorist activity??? One can find "links " connections where one wants to find them , if one tries hard enough. This includes the US and its links to terrorism too. (BIG TIME).

The operative question is: how relevant is it and is it worthy of WAR, death of thousands and destruction of a nation??? Some critical discerning thought is called for here.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

>>> During one of his rare press conferences, President Bush admitted something which completely contradicts what we've been hearing from him, most other politicians, and the mainstream media. Not surprisingly, the media have completely ignored this; I couldn't find a single article that mentions it in any news source, domestic or foreign.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

Maybe you should hum another tune musicman :roll:

I remember him saying that too. But then......given the chaps credibility quotient........who can believe ANYTHING HE says?? One has to fine tune one's information base for facts ....in ALL Of this. Just as the WMD (certainty , that bush preached in order to have HIS war)......the links to "terrorism" have questionable validity.......particularly in the context of what many would have one "believe"

 

[peapod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda

Again no connection....changes tune on radio :lol: :lol:

 

[mrmom2]

Like i told you before Musicman stick ta defending the Cons cause I'll just rip ya ta shreds when it comes to the Bush Cabal you haven't got a clue Blue

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda

Again no connection....changes tune on radio :lol: :lol:

exactly. From most everything I have read....( on international sources too )......NO connection.

Just another BIG LIE. :evil: :bs:

 

[peapod]

Ya! thats right momsy..you gots the mojo. :lol: :lol:

 

[jjw1965]

Plain and simple, 9/11, london blast = government involvement.
Why? simple, To pass Americas Patriot Act, Londons Terrorism Act and gain more Control over its citizens. For freedom? what a joke, just how much of your liberty and rights are you willing to give up for so called protection by the government who orchestrated both events anyway? Just like Hitlers Reichstag fire, which he blamed on the communist and rallied his people behind him.
Wake up! :violent1:

 

[ElPolaco]

This is only one link of many that have been posted on this forum showing the ties between Saddam and terrorists. Only those in deep denial continue to argue this point.

I have the feeling that you would fall into that "extremist" category.

 

[Musicman]

This is only one link of many that have been posted on this forum showing the ties between Saddam and terrorists. Only those in deep denial continue to argue this point.

I have the feeling that you would fall into that "extremist" category.

No, I suspect you are wrong. I have always been able to recognise the US faults and criticize them for it. But to read such utter trash here is beyond any logic. Is there anyway you folks can blame Bush for Kennedy? The Second World War? Hell, try the first World War while you are at it.

You accuse Bush of lies and keep repeating that Mantra, but totally ignore the lies your hero in Ottawa, Paully Martin, makes on a daily basis. And yet you consider yourselves objective? Give your heads a shake.

 

[Nascar_James]

Plain and simple, 9/11, london blast = government involvement.
Why? simple, To pass Americas Patriot Act, Londons Terrorism Act and gain more Control over its citizens. For freedom? what a joke, just how much of your liberty and rights are you willing to give up for so called protection by the government who orchestrated both events anyway? Just like Hitlers Reichstag fire, which he blamed on the communist and rallied his people behind him.
Wake up! :violent1:

orchestrated both events anyway?!?!? yup ... I would sure as hell categorize this as ultra extremism!

 

[peapod]

Are you just going to give speeches or are you going to provide evidence for the invasion of Iraq???? or are you just going to keep humming the same tune. :? :?

 

[Nascar_James]

Are you just going to give speeches or are you going to provide evidence for the invasion of Iraq???? or are you just going to keep humming the same tune. :? :?

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm

 

[peapod]

Ya, I will check that out later...right now I am gonna go see 40 year old virgin....ring any bells :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[jjw1965]

orchestrated both events anyway?!?!? yup ... I would sure as hell categorize this as ultra extremism!

Well I guess if telling the facts gets you listed as an extremist, then so be it!
Fact is there are too many pieces of evidence pointing to the US and Britain governments of involvment in both terrorist acts.

 

[mrmom2]

Ah don't let Nascar get to ya jj He's just a neocon thats burned out from to much beer and watching cars go round and round and never turning left

 

[jjw1965]

Ah don't let Nascar get to ya jj He's just a neocon thats burned out from to much beer and watching cars go round and round and never turning left

I'm not worried, I'll agree with him on the beer though!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

The other big lie......

August 25, 2005

The mounting casualties suffered by the US occupation troops in Iraq continue to be headline news in the international press.

The bloody war that began in March, 2003 and has inflicted over 100,000 civilian deaths among the civilian population makes one forget that the genocide actually began 15 years ago.

It was in 1990 when the United States imposed the blockade against Iraq using the United Nations. Up until the invasion, an average of 120,000 people, including 72,000 children, died each year as the result of insufficient food and the lack of medicines.

Conservative calculations estimate that 900,000 is the total number of children under five that died during that period. When adding the rest of the victims of the US-UN policy, it is estimated that a total of 1.5 million lives were lost.

Add to that the damage caused to the environment as a consequence of the enriched uranium used in the bombs launched indiscriminately over an extended area. The lethal agent has contaminated numerous water supply sources, large portions of arable land and the air.

As the direct result of the environmental damage there are more and more frequent deaths due to respiratory ailments, tumors unregistered in the medical bibliographies and deformed newborns.

Testimonies before the invasion narrate horrendous scenes in the hospitals with people suffering and a helpless medical personal without resources.

The British medical magazine Lancet states that the occupation of Iraq has caused 100,000 dead, but that the people who died from hunger and misery are forgotten.

This savage war which should be taken as an example of human rights violations has been committed against a nation where 45 percent of the population is under 15 years of age.

The crimes the US troops are committing daily are in the news, too blatant to be hidden like the children dying from hunger. Besides the chief victims, the Iraqis, they are responsible for the deaths of over 1,800 US soldiers and many more thousands of wounded.

After having justified the crimes against the civilian population for over a decade they now justify the massacre as necessary to fight the "terrorist" resistance movement.

The conduct of the White House team is so irrational that it looks like an end to the conflict will be similar to Vietnam when the casualties in the US Armed Forces strengthened the peace movement.

Only the anti war movement will break the stubbornness and the arrogance of those who have a total disregard for life in their oil wars.

The conduct of the White House team is so irrational

---------and THIS is the most concerning part of all this. Extremism is one thing.......but extremism within an irrational mindset.......is bloody dangerous.

 

[jjw1965]

I've read that the cancer rate is up 700% from the D.U. that around from the first gulf war.