The Bible on Environmental Conservation: A 21st Century Prescription

look3467

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Religious studies help you understand who you are in scheme of things.
Either you find out who you are or you deny the whole thing as fruitless.

I found out who I am only because I took heart in finding out the truth of the matter.
I can now see you as a brother regardless of what you espouse to believe.

I neither condemn you nor praise you for that. But I do respect (Love) you as a brother simply because of the One who paid dearly for our souls.

One cannot condemn God for the behavior of mankind, after all God didn’t make robots.

He gave us the choice to love Him or hate Him. (No-robot)

As for the environment, what a beautiful planet, with all the mystery waiting to be discovered and to think that it was all done just for us.

Will we take care of what was given us?

It definitely a lot better place than say, Mars: Everything red?

Anyways, give heart a chance.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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Some of the more fundamentalist are hung up on the "end times". With the world scheduled to end why bother with long term future plans. Use and abuse the planet cause God is going to wipe it out anyways.

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Some of the more fundamentalist are hung up on the "end times". With the world scheduled to end why bother with long term future plans. Use and abuse the planet cause God is going to wipe it out anyways.

loonies

Now, now RSK, that attitude is heartless as if................ you believed it too?

But look, it is up to the individual to seek out their own salvation it says, meaning that if we don't make an effort to test things out, then we are bound by them.

I have tested the end time scenarios and have found all them wanting.

But because I have found truth as I believe I have, my heart goes out to them who have not.

That is what happens when more is given, more is expected, as the word says.

I then have to be in a position of understanding and dispense compassion to what is a lack of knowledge in people who innocently think the world is coming to an end.

It is also the same situation where if I tell a Christian that God saves everybody, the immediate response is: "Well then, that means I can go out and sin all I want and be saved right?"

With that response and similar, only shows me their lack of knowledge, and what they don't know can not be held against them.

But beware if you know and don't adhere, for it is better that you would never have known.

Got what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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Sanctus why the hositility? I was merely trying to provoke discussion of the relationship between the church and the environment?
I didn't mean to suggest hostility to you. After debating and reading the nonsense posted by Mh, Look and Liberalman, even I get tired of off the wall religious ideas. Theological discussions are interesting. Everyone who hardly has picked up a book on the topic considers himself an expert:) And like the three mentioned, their entire basis for their beliefs rests on those two magic words that they seem to feel gives them authority. "I think", which is probably the most annoying way to begin any discussion as deeply layered as theology. Sometimes they think God is whispering in their ears, and we are obliged to read about numerology and raptures and idiotic end-time scenarios. Other time we get to read five and half mile long pages peppered with Bible quotations. They feel that grabbing verses out of context to the books they were drawn from gives their "I think" theology intellectual merit.

Have they read Aquinas, the writings of the Church Fathers, Bonhoeffer or Merton? Have they studied transcripts of Biblical exegesis by learned theologians from now to the beginning of Church history?

Oh no, these nutbar types don't need to examine the subject, for they have "I think" as their guide.

Do I know everything. Good Lord no! But I have studied the subject to some small degree. I do know the basic trends of thought and how they weave together. But do I think it is wise to approach such a doctrinally laden topic as theology with only "I think". Heavens no.

What person would attempt to explain Taoist or Existential philosophies without a bit of applied study to these areas? Why is it these sort feel even remotely qualified to insist that because they "think" something in theology is this or that way, why it must be so!

One person on this forum writes posts where he will pull out series of numbers that he feels are magic codes to the mysteries of the Bible. Odd that men more learned in the faith, such as the Pope for example, have never noticed these secret codes.
And it matters not that the Pope is Catholic or if you or they like the Catholic faith. Pope Benedict is a very learned man, and he deserves some respect for that alone.

No, it does not matter that people who have studied and diligently explored the various intangible and tangible elements to the philosophical nature of the faith, let alone its religious implications for those claiming to be Christian.

End of rant:)
 

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Sanctus

I liked your rant I guess you were agreeing with my post that organized religion is all smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show.

Tell me Sanctus what do you think the main message of the bible is?

Can you sum it up in one sentence?

I know the answer because God told me a long time ago but did you figure it out yet or are you still walking the labyrinth of understanding.

 

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And like the three mentioned, their entire basis for their beliefs rests on those two magic words that they seem to feel gives them authority. "I think", which is probably the most annoying way to begin any discussion as deeply layered as theology.>>>Sanctus

But do I think>>>Sanctus

Do I know everything? Good Lord no!>>>Sanctus
So, you don’t think, and you don’t know everything, or do you think you don’t know everything?

I think I know some things, and I know I don’t know everything, but what I do know is, whatever I know and think has been sincerely sought after from the Holy Spirit of which I am confident that He would not lead me astray.

The evidence of my understandings is shown in my works and words as I respond compassionately.

You are my judges!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 
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sanctus

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Sanctus

I liked your rant I guess you were agreeing with my post that organized religion is all smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show.

Tell me Sanctus what do you think the main message of the bible is?

Can you sum it up in one sentence?

I know the answer because God told me a long time ago but did you figure it out yet or are you still walking the labyrinth of understanding.
Oh, just go away....my goodness. Read a book...try it, you might like it.
 

sanctus

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When you pray Sanctus, what do you expect to hear from God?

Or how do you hear from God?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


He tells me to light the fires and burn the heretics and Protestants, but I am almost certain that there are official types that might object to such behaviour in this day and age:)

As I said to Liberalman, won't you please consider converting to Judaism or Islam?
 

look3467

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He tells me to light the fires and burn the heretics and Protestants, but I am almost certain that there are official types that might object to such behaviour in this day and age:)

Now I know He was not talking to you. For the Holy Spirit would not say such things even if you were Catholic or not.
The official types, if secular govenment was meant, and if that were true than, what the Holy Spirit said, the secular government would have it easier in getting into heaven than you.

But I know better in that you were just irritated by my question.

May I quote you this scripture: Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

The Holy Spirit is our last and only
chance to reach God while in the flesh. To deny His existence and His speaking to us in spirit, is to reject God all together.

So, I take my relationship with Him (Holy Spirit) rather serious as He is my God.

No joking matter!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


 

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May I quote you this scripture: Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

I think we have gone why off topic but what is the original word that blasphemy was translated from and what are some of its possible meanings?
 

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Sanctus

Converting to Judaism for a man would be a painful experience.

Do you really mean this?

You are saying I should deny Jesus the Jew.
 

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I think we have gone why off topic but what is the original word that blasphemy was translated from and what are some of its possible meanings?

Blasphemy = profanity, sacrilege, wickedness, irreverence, disrespect.

In the following case, it is a lie: Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

In the following case, Jesus was accused of Blasphemy, meaning that He made Himself to be God by making Himself equal to God, and telling the Jews that they could no longer go to God unless they first went through Him.

So, the verse in question, blasphemy, is unforgiven only if the repentant repents not, because the Holy Spirit is our only connection to God.

What all this means is that the unrepentant will not receive the graces so freely given by the Father as an aid and help in the burdens of life.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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I think we have gone why off topic but what is the original word that blasphemy was translated from and what are some of its possible meanings?

From the Catholic Encylopedia:

Blasphemy


Blasphemy (Greek blaptein, "to injure", and pheme, "reputation") signifies etymologically gross irreverence towards any person or thing worthy of exalted esteem. In this broad sense the term is used by Bacon when in his "Advancement of Learning" he speaks of "blasphemy against learning". St. Paul tells of being blasphemed (1 Corinthians 4:13) and the Latin Vulgate employs the word blasphemare to designate abusive language directed either against a people at large (2 Samuel 21:21; 1 Chronicles 20:7) or against individuals (1 Corinthians 10:30; Titus 3:2).
MEANING

While etymologically blasphemy may denote the derogation of the honour due to a creature as well as of that belonging to God, in its strict acceptation it is used only in the latter sense. Hence it has been defined by Francisco Suárez as "any word of malediction, reproach, or contumely pronounced against God: (De Relig., tract. iii, lib. I, cap. iv, n. 1). It is to be noted that according to the definition (1) blasphemy is set down as a word, for ordinarily it is expressed in speech, though it may be committed in thought or in act. Being primarily a sin of the tongue, it will be seen to be opposed directly to the religious act of praising God. (2) It is said to be against God, though this may be only mediately, as when the contumelious word is spoken of the saints or of sacred things, because of the relationship they sustain to God and His service.
Blasphemy, by reason of the significance of the words with which it is expressed, may be of three kinds.
  1. It is heretical when the insult to God involves a declaration that is against faith, as in the assertion: "God is cruel and unjust" or "The noblest work of man is God".
  2. It is imprecatory when it would cry a malediction upon the Supreme Being as when one would say: "Away with God".
  3. It is simply contumacious when it is wholly made up of contempt of, or indignation towards, God, as in the blasphemy of Julian the Apostate: "Thou has conquered, O Galilaean".
Again, blasphemy may be (1) either direct, as when the one blaspheming formally intends to dishonour the Divinity, or (2) indirect, as when without such intention blasphemous words are used with advertence to their import. THE MALICE OF BLASPHEMY

Blasphemy is a sin against the virtue of religion by which we render to God the honour due to Him as our first beginning an last end. St. Thomas says that it is to be regarded as a sin against faith inasmuch as by it we attribute to God that which does not belong to Him, or deny Him that which is His (II-II, Q. xiii, art. I). De Lugo and others deny that this is an essential element in blasphemy (De just. et jure caeterisque virt. card., lib. II, c. xiv, disp. v, n. 26), but as Escobar (Theol. mor., lib. xxviii, c. xxxii, n. 716 sqq.) observes, the contention on this point concerns words only, since the followers ofSt. Thomas see in the contempt expressed in blasphemy the implication that God is contemptible--an implication in which all will allow there is attributed to God that which does not belong to Him. What is here said is of blasphemy in general; manifestly that form of the sin described above as heretical is not only opposed to the virtue of religion but that of faith as well. Blasphemy is of its whole nature (ex toto genere suo) a mortal sin, the gravest that may be committed against religion. The seriousness of an affront is proportioned to the dignity of the person towards whom it is directed. Since then the insult in blasphemy is offered to the ineffable majesty of God, the degree of its heinousness must be evident. Nevertheless because of slight or no advertence blasphemy may be either a venial sin only or no sin at all. Thus many expressions voiced in anger escape the enormity of a grave sin, except as is clear, when the anger is vented upon God. Again, in the case where blasphemous speech is uttered inadvertently, through force of habit, a grave sin is not committed as long as earnest resistance is made to the habit. If, however, no such effort is put forth there cannot but be grave guilt, though a mortal sin is not committed on the occasion of each and every blasphemous outburst. It has been said that heretical blasphemy besides a content directed against religion has that which is opposed to the virtue of faith. Similarly, imprecatory blasphemy is besides a violation of charity. These forms of the sin being specifically distinct from the simpler kind, it is necessary to specify their character in confession. Whether blasphemy has been direct or indirect, however, calls not for specification on the part of the penitent, since both these forms are specifically the same, though clearly differing in the degree of malice. The question has been raised whether blasphemy against the saints differs in kind from that uttered immediately against God. While De Lugo thinks that such a difference obtains (De Poenit., disp. xvi, n. 178 sqq.) the opposite opinion of St. Alphonsus seems more tenable, for as the latter theologian observes, the saints, ordinarily speaking, are not blasphemed because of their own excellence but because of their close relationship to God (Theol. Moral., lib. IV, n. 132).
THE PENALTIES ATTACHED TO BLASPHEMY

In the Old Law the blasphemer was punished by death. So God appointed on the occasion of the blasphemy of Salumith's son: "The man that curseth His God, shall bear his sin: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die: all the multitude shall stone him, whether he be a native or a stranger. He thatblasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die" ( Leviticus 24:15-16). Upon hearing blasphemy the Jews were wont in detestation of the crime to rend their clothes (2 Kings 18:37, 19:l; Matthew 26:65).
Among the Athenians blasphemy was actionable and according to Plutarch, Alcibiades was made to suffer the confiscation of his goods for ridiculing the rites of Ceres and Proserpine (Plutarch, Alcibiades). Among the ancient Romans blasphemy was punishable, though not by death. In the time of Justinian we find most severe enactments against this sin. In a constitution of A. D. 538 the people are called upon to abstain from blasphemy, which provokes God to anger. The prefect of the city is commanded to apprehend all such as shall persist in their offence after this admonition and put them to death, that so the city and the empire may not suffer because of their impiety (Auth. Col., Tit. vii, 7 November). Among the Visigoths, anyone blaspheming the name of Christ or expressing contempt of the Trinity had his head shorn, was subjected to a hundred stripes, and suffered perpetual imprisonment in chains. Among the Franks, according to a law enacted at the Diet of Aachen, A. D. 818, this sin was a capital offence. In the Gospels blasphemy is described as one of "the things that defile a man" (Matthew 15:20; Mark 7:21-23).
Medieval canon law punished the blasphemer most severely. By a decree of the thirteenth century one convicted of blasphemy was compelled to stand at the door of the church during the solemnities of the Mass for seven Sundays, and on the last of these days, divested of cloak and shoes, he was to appear with a rope about his neck. Obligations of fasting and alms-giving were likewise imposed under heaviest penalties (Decret., lib. V, tit. xxvi). The rigours of the ancient discipline were insisted upon by Pius V in his Constitution "Cum primum apostolatus" (p. 10). According to the law herein laid down, the layman found guilty of blasphemy was fined. The fine was increased upon his second offence, and upon his third he was sent into exile. If unable to pay the fine, he was upon the first conviction condemned to stand before the door of thechurch, his hands tied behind him. For the second offence he was flogged, and for the third his tongue was pierced, and he was sentenced to the galleys. The blasphemous cleric, if possessed of a benefice, lost upon his first offence a year's income; upon his second he was deprived of his benefice and exiled. If enjoying no benefice, he was first subjected to a fine and bodily punishment; on repeating the offence he was imprisoned, and still persisting, he was degraded and condemned to the galleys.
BLASPHEMY IN CIVIL LAW

Blasphemy cognizable by common law is defined by Blackstone to be "denying the being or providence of God, contumelious reproaches of our Saviour Jesus Christ, profane scoffing at the Holy Scripture, or exposing it to contempt or ridicule". The United States once had many penal statutes against blasphemy, which were declared constitutional as not subversive of the freedom of speech or liberty of the press (Am. and Eng. Ency. ofLaw, Vol. IV, 582). In the American Decisions (Vol. V, 335) we read that " Christianity being recognized by law therefore blasphemy against God and profane ridicule of Christ or the Holy Scripture are punishable at Common Law", Accordingly where one uttered the following words "Jesus Christ was a bastard and his mother was a *****", it was held to be a public offence, punishable by the common law. The defendant found guilty by the court of common pleas of the blasphemy above quoted was sentenced to imprisonment for three months and to pay a fine of five hundred dollars.