The beginning and the end is in us
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The saddest thing we can possibly do, is not teach this worthy subject, "Know Thyself."
So much pain has come from not doing this.
This should be a fundamental course like reading or math
So much pain has come from not doing this.
This should be a fundamental course like reading or math
jimmoyer
Thanks for the post my American friend .You know what you are saying At the universities of Plato , Aristotle ,it is exactly what the students were learning (NOT STUDYING) about.....Your Self .
Plato and Aristotle were the first to come up with an atomic theory. the only reason they never went any further with it is that all they did was talk. they never performed any experiments to test their theories. The thing is that they DID have the technology and COULD have proved the existence of atoms but didn't. What they did was get drunk and argue incessantly.
Plato and Aristotle were the first to come up with an atomic theory. the only reason they never went any further with it is that all they did was talk. they never performed any experiments to test their theories. The thing is that they DID have the technology and COULD have proved the existence of atoms but didn't. What they did was get drunk and argue incessantly.
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And such argument was beautifully incisive, n'est pas ?
Their sparkle is still twinkling through all these years.
Understanding ourselves is the unspoken elephant in the room. With every conversation or action goes a parallel baggage of issues in every interaction.
You think you're arguing about the Prime Minister ?
Really ?
Try the concept of Projection.
You think you're arguing with your friend about his bad habits ?
Really ?
What is the engine underneath all this stuff ?
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And such argument was beautifully incisive, n'est pas ?
Their sparkle is still twinkling through all these years.
Understanding ourselves is the unspoken elephant in the room. With every conversation or action goes a parallel baggage of issues in every interaction.
You think you're arguing about the Prime Minister ?
Really ?
Try the concept of Projection.
You think you're arguing with your friend about his bad habits ?
Really ?
What is the engine underneath all this stuff ?
What am I? I am a result; I am the result of the past, of innumerable layers of the past, of a series of causes?effects. And how can I be opposed to the whole, the past, when I am the result of all that? If I, who am the mass, the whole, if I do not understand myself, not only what is outside my skin, objectively, but subjectively, inside the skin, how can I understand another, the world? To understand oneself requires kindly and tolerant detachment. If you do not understand yourself, you will not understand anything else; you may have great ideals, beliefs, and formulations, but they will have no reality. They will be delusions. So you must know yourself to understand the present and through the present, the past. From the known present, the hidden layers of the past are discovered and this discovery is liberating and creative.
you are entirely correct, of course, their arguments were beautiful and very persuasive.
They were excellent hypothesis-formers. However, when it came to building an experiment to test their hypotheses to actually find out what the truth was, they didn't seem to have a clue. Which was a real shame, since so many insights into the universe had to wait for centuries.
Insights into the self are obviously the most revealing. If one wishes to do a job one must first undertand one's tools. if one is observing the universe as a "job", the "tool" is the mind, which take a LOT of understanding. The jobs of understanding the mind and understanding the universe run concurrently through necessity, of course, since our minds are part of the universe itself, as well as whole universes of their own.
I think it's possible to disprove that one.
for instance, the string of positive integers. By definition it begins with 1, and has no end.
for instance, the string of positive integers. By definition it begins with 1, and has no end.
you didn't say "any non-conceptual object that has a beginning has an end"
it's also possible (though not proven) that the universe has a beginning but no end.
it's also possible (though not proven) that the universe has a beginning but no end.
Where's the "one" ?
And simply because you've failed to reach the end of a number string doesn't mean that one doesn't exist ....
As far as the "universe" is concerned.... Whether created by an extraphenomenal entity or the "Big Bang", the "universe" is....everything that exists everywehere throughout all time....right? So where in this mix is the observer? Who declared the pace of the clock?
If that pace-setter ceases to exist.....isn't that the "end"?
You can believe that the world existed before your conscious awareness of it....so it's reasonable to subscribe to the belief that "existence" will continue humming right along whether you personally are here to see it or not....
I'm talking about the last and final observer...of the genre that measures time via atomic decay.....
Perhaps you're suggesting that humankind...or erect bi-pedal mammals will exist forever....
The only one who needs a clock is the person reading it.......
And simply because you've failed to reach the end of a number string doesn't mean that one doesn't exist ....
As far as the "universe" is concerned.... Whether created by an extraphenomenal entity or the "Big Bang", the "universe" is....everything that exists everywehere throughout all time....right? So where in this mix is the observer? Who declared the pace of the clock?
If that pace-setter ceases to exist.....isn't that the "end"?
You can believe that the world existed before your conscious awareness of it....so it's reasonable to subscribe to the belief that "existence" will continue humming right along whether you personally are here to see it or not....
I'm talking about the last and final observer...of the genre that measures time via atomic decay.....
Perhaps you're suggesting that humankind...or erect bi-pedal mammals will exist forever....
The only one who needs a clock is the person reading it.......