The absolute truth .

darkbeaver

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That's the problem old man ,you think to much .I'll throw a line;thinking is not what is therefore not actual .

Thinking is actual, there is no absolute division between what is and what is not and what might be. Once a thought is born it becomes real enough. Did you create it or did you assemble it from the surrounding fabric? Was it always here just waiting for a fortuitous conjunction of some mind?
I think thought is as real as iron.
 

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There is no need to prove the truth. Truth is such a sun that it cannot remain hidden. No matter how many walls come in front of it, the light of the truth cannot remain hidden.

This you will never proove. I bet mankind will pass from existance with a thin sliver of revealed truth, the rest he could not incorporate even if the species approached infinity in time. The wall of time is thick, there are an infinite number of questions we will never ask.
 

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Why does it matter? What would anyone be willing to do or change or how would they alter the way they treat anyone else...even if they "knew" the "truth"?

Depending on where you live on this little rock, you live for a very short time...even in terms of the longevity of living organisms who command the air and the water and the earth to their will..... Human beings don't live for thousands of years ...for geologic epochs....but for only a brief tick of the cosmic clock.

Is this "truth" this "absolute" reality....forever and without limit or boundary? Is this "truth" a cosmic element of the universe without time without beginning and without end..?

If it is...what possible interest would it be to short-lived organisms like us?


If it isn't then aren't we "stuck" with the temporal ambiguities that impact our "awareness".... short term "truths" that work in the immediate and ....that's enough?

Again.... What's yer point?
 

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Hi darkbeaver ,It's almost 10:30 pm in China ,walked into my hotel room (had a wonderful dinner) Looked in my laptop and there is your letter .Man I;m so happy .I'm happy that yyou disagree with me.(doesnt everybody) Nope ,Im not drunk I will answer it.
OkOk?

Thinking is actual, there is no absolute division between what is and what is not and what might be.
Actuality is actual in the present ,NOW,that is why is called actual .It is What Is.
Thinking ,no matter "of what" is past .Even if you think of "what might be "-the future, youare still thinking of the past..Do I have to explain?

Once a thought is born it becomes real enough.
Where does thought come from if not from our memory .Memory is where we accumulate
whatever we have studied ,our experiences, likes dislikes and whatever else our memory accumulates,no memory -no thought (you haave to remember what you think)no thought ,no memory.

Was it always here just waiting for a fortuitous conjunction of some mind?
I think that is a silly observation.

I think thought is as real as iron.
Sure ;and as real as your EGO.
 
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One of the principle arguments entertained between "believers" and "non-believers" is that the seminal crux, the essential gist behind these concepts belong in separate and distinct domains. China, you seem prepared to mix domains in arguing your perspectives... You've contributed some propositions that grey the boundaries between them and appear to expect other participants will ignore this blurring....

Perhaps your intent isn't to clarify anything...simply to provide youself with entertainment throwing out nonsense mixed with hyperbole...

Maybe you need a different hobby wherein the burden of your introspection can be invested in bonsai or origami or something that doesn't require feedback from anyone else....

You've presented your ideas with the aplomb of the self-confident, self-assured that your perspective and only your perspective has merit. When I say oranges are orange you'd point out that they're "orange" only because that's the way I personally interpret the spectral feedback detected by my optic nerve... and hence since knowledge is fleeting and unnecessary...the "truth" is a shining "sun" and intelligence is wholly different than intellect.... whatever I see as "orange" is a figment of my imagination...

Is there a point to all this China?
Awesome, Mikey. I can't iomagine anyone saying this more eloquently.
 

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BTW, to find an absolute truth, we'd have to know absolutely everything. As, Beav suggested, time would interfere with that so we'll never know an absolute truth because it is transitory. Therefore all truth is essentially relative for us.
 

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Oh man , do you ever have allot to learn .I,ll give you a hint StG. An intelligent man asks questions if there is something that he doesn't understand .An ignorant one will try to show how intelligent he is.

Man you are not asking questions here, you are coming on to show that you are a professor of literary arts, when in fact you are not. What degrees do you have in philosophy, psychology, and neurological behavior? I don’t have a problem to debate but your understanding of debate is everything you say is correct and everything that others say you correct them. That is like playing soccer but only you can kick on my net, no one else is allowed to kick into your net. It is a two way street man.
 
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"What is truth?" is a very simple question. Of course, answering it isn't so simple. We can offer definitions like "Truth is that which conforms to reality, fact, or actuality." But this basic definition is not complete because its definition is open to interpretation and a wide variety of applications. What is reality? What is fact? What is actuality? How does perception effect truth? We could offer answers for each of these questions, but then we could again ask similar questions of those answers. I am reminded of the paradox of throwing a ball against a wall. It must get half way there, and then half way of the remaining distance, and then half of that distance, and so on. But, an infinite number of halves in this scenario never constitutes a whole. Therefore, it would seem that the ball would never reach the wall if we applied the conceptual truths of halves.
The ball-against-the-wall scenario simply illustrates that defining and redefining things as we try to approach a goal actually prevents us from getting to that goal. This is what philosophy does sometimes as it seeks to examine truth. It sometimes clouds issues so much, that nothing can be known for sure.



But, even though it is true that an infinite number of halves (1/2 of "a" + 1/2 of the remainder + 1/2 of the remainder of that, etc.) does not equal a whole, we can "prove" that it does by simply throwing a ball at a wall and watch it bounce off. Actually, the "1/2" equation above does not equal a whole -- mathematically. The problem is not in the truth, but in its application as is often the case with philosophical verbal gymnastics.
"See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).
In order for truth to be defined properly, it would have to be a factually and logically correct statement. In other words, it would have to be true. But, perhaps we could look further look at truth by determining what it is not. Truth is not error. Truth is not self-contradictory. Truth is not deception. Of course, it could be true that someone is being deceptive, but the deception itself isn't truth.

In relativism, all points of view are equally valid and that all truth is relative to the individual. If this were true, then it would seem that this is the only truth relativism would have to offer. But, the problem is that in reality, relativism isn't true for the following basic reason. If what is true for me is that relativism is false, then is it true that relativism is false? 1) If you say no, then what is true for me is not true and relativism is false. 2) If you say yes, then relativism is false. Relativism seems to defy the very nature of truth; namely, that truth is not self contradictory.
Again, what is truth?
If there is such a thing as truth, then we should be able to find it. If truth cannot be known, then it probably doesn't exist. But, it does exist. For example, we know that it is true that you are reading this.
Is there such a thing as something that is always true all the time? Yes, there is. For example, "Something cannot bring itself into existence." This is an absolutely true statement. In order for something to bring itself into existence, it would have to exist in order to be able to perform an action. But if it already existed, then it isn't possible to bring itself into existence since it already exists. Likewise, if it does not exist then it has no ability to perform any creative action since it doesn't exist in the first place. Therefore, "Something cannot bring itself into existence" is an absolute truth.
The preceding example is a truth found in logic. But, there are truths that are not logical by nature. It is true that I love my wife. This isn't logically provable via theorems and formulas and logic paradigms, but it is, nevertheless, true. Therefore, we can say that truth conforms and affirms reality and/or logic.
Is this what relativism does? Does relativism confirm to reality and logic? To be honest, it does to some degree. Relatively speaking, there is no absolute right or wrong regarding which side of your head you should part your hair, if you part it at all. To this we must concede relative "truths" that are different for different people. But, these are relativistic by nature. Examples of relativistic truths are, 1) people drive on the right side of the street in America and the left in England; 2) I prefer to watch science fiction over musicals; 3) snow is better than rain, etc. These things are relative to culture, individuals, preferences, etc., and rightfully so.
If we are to ever hope to determine if there is such a thing as truth apart from cultural and personal preferences, we must acknowledge that we are then aiming to discover something greater than ourselves, something that transcends culture and individual inclinations. To do this is to look beyond ourselves and outside of ourselves. In essence, it means that we are looking for God. God would be truth, the absolute and true essence of being and reality who is the author of all truth. If you are interested in truth beyond yourself, then you must look to God.
"I am the truth"
For the Christian, the ultimate expression of truth is found in the Bible, in Jesus who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." (John 14:6). Of course, most philosophers and skeptics will dismiss His claim, but for the Christian, He is the mainstay of hope, security, and guidance. Jesus, who walked on water, claimed to be divine, and rose from the dead, said that He was the truth and the originator of truth. If Jesus is wrong, then we should ignore Him. But, if He is right, then it is true that we should listen to Him.
The eyewitnesses wrote what they saw. They were with Him. They watched Him perform many miracles, heal the sick, calm a storm with a command, and even rise from the dead. Either you believe or dismiss these claims. If you dismiss them, that is your prerogative. But, if you accept them, then you are faced with decisions to make about Jesus. What will you believe about Him? What will you decide about Him? Is He true? Is what He said true?
Truth conforms to reality. Jesus performed many miracles and rose from the dead.

In life's wilderness,
Choked by the weeds of error -
Bloom of beauty: truth.


Truth ...
“Is the opposite of lies.” “What is truth but what we believe to be truth?” “I don't believe that there's one truth. There are so many different people, and there are so many different ways you can look at things. I don't see how there could be just one truth.”
a doctrine instructing that truth and morality are relative and not absolute. Relativism asserts that what is accepted as truth is relative to a person's situation or standpoint, and denies that any standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.
If truth is relative, then absolute right and absolute wrong become doubtful and obscure. And if truth is relative, then only subjective and indefinite answers exist for the purpose and meaning of life. So is there any absolute or real truth in this complex and uncertain world?
 
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[SIZE=+2]Truth and Knowledge[/SIZE]



[SIZE=+2]There are no facts, only interpretations. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Nachlass, A. Danto translation. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Enemies of truth.-- Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human, s.483, R.J. Hollingdale transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Linguistic danger to spiritual freedom.-- Every word is a prejudice. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Wanderer and his Shadow,s. 55, R.J. Hollingdale transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Man and things.-- Why does man not see things? He is himself standing in the way: he conceals things. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Daybreak, s. 483, R.J. Hollingdale transl [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Mystical explanations.-- [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are not even superficial.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.126, Walter Kaufmann transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Metaphysical world.-- It is true, there could be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We behold all things through the human head and cannot cut off this head; while the question nonetheless remains what of the world would still be there if one had cut it off. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Human, All Too Human, s.9, R.J. Hollingdale transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Just beyond experience!-- Even great spirits have only their five fingers breadth of experience - just beyond it their thinking ceases and their endless empty space and stupidity begins. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Daybreak, s. 564, R.J. Hollingdale transl [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms -- in short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors - in moral terms, the obligation to lie according to fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all... [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]'On truth and lie in an extra-moral sense,' The Viking Portable Nietzsche, p.46-7, Walter Kaufmann transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Truth.-- No one now dies of fatal truths: there are too many antidotes to them. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human, s.516, R.J. Hollingdale transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]What are man's truths ultimately? Merely his irrefutable errors. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.265, Walter Kaufmann transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Because we have for millenia made moral, aesthetic, religious demands on the world, looked upon it with blind desire, passion or fear, and abandoned ourselves to the bad habits of illogical thinking, this world has gradually become so marvelously variegated, frightful, meaningful, soulful, it has acquired color - but we have been the colorists: it is the human intellect that has made appearances appear and transported its erroneous basic conceptions into things. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human, s.16, R.J. Hollingdale transl. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]The reasons for which 'this' world has been characterized as 'apparent' are the very reasons which indicate its reality; any other kind of reality is absolutely indemonstrable. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols, ch.3, s.6, Walter Kaufmann transl. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]The total character of the world, however, is in all eternity chaos--in the sense not of a lack of necessity but a lack of order, arrangement, form, beauty, wisdom, and whatever names there are for our aesthetic anthropomorphisms...Let us beware of attributing to it heartlessness and unreason or their opposites: it is neither perfect nor beautiful, nor noble, nor does it wish to become any of these things; it does not by any means strive to imitate man... Let us beware of saying that there are laws in nature. There are only necessities: there is nobody who commands, nobody who obeys, nobody who trespasses... But when will we ever be done with our caution and care? When will all these shadows of God cease to darken our minds? When will we complete our de-deification of nature? When may we begin to "naturalize" humanity in terms of a pure, newly discovered, newly redeemed nature?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.109, Walter Kaufmann transl..[/SIZE]​



[SIZE=+2]We have arranged for ourselves a world in which we can live - by positing bodies, lines, planes, causes and effects, motion and rest, form and content; without these articles of faith nobody could now endure life. But that does not prove them. Life is no argument. The conditions of life might include error. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.121, Walter Kaufmann transl.. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+2]Over immense periods of time the intellect produced nothing but errors. A few of these proved to be useful and helped to preserve the species: those who hit upon or inherited these had better luck in their struggle for themselves and their progeny. Such erroneous articles of faith... include the following: that there are things, substances, bodies; that a thing is what it appears to be; that our will is free; that what is good for me is also good in itself.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.110, Walter Kaufmann transl.. [/SIZE]​



[SIZE=+2]Origin of the logical.-- How did logic come into existence in man's head? Certainly out of illogic, whose realm originally must have been immense. Innumerable beings who made inferences in a way different from ours perished; for all that, their ways might have been truer. Those, for example, who did not know how to find often enough what is "equal" as regards both nourishment and hostile animals--those, in other words, who subsumed things too slowly and cautiously--were favored with a lesser probability of survival than those who guessed immediately upon encountering similar instances that they must be equal. The dominant tendency, however, to treat as equal what is merely similar--an illogical tendency, for nothing is really equal--is what first created any basis for logic.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]In order that the concept of substance could originate--which is indispensible for logic although in the strictest sense nothing real corresponds to it--it was likewise necessary that for a long time one did not see or perceive the changes in things. The beings that did not see so precisely had an advantage over those who saw everything "in flux." At bottom, every high degree of caution in making inferences and every skeptical tendency constitute a great danger for life. No living beings would have survived if the opposite tendency--to affirm rather than suspend judgement, to err and make up things rather than wait, to assent rather than negate, to pass judgement rather than be just-- had not been bred to the point where it became extraordinarily strong.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.111, Walter Kaufmann transl.. [/SIZE]​



[SIZE=+2]Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there are an infinite number of processes which elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.112, Walter Kaufmann transl..[/SIZE]​



[SIZE=+2]To renounce belief in one's ego, to deny one's own "reality" -- what a triumph! not merely over the senses, over appearance, but a much higher kind of triumph, a violation and cruelty against reason -- a voluptuous pleasure that reaches its height when the ascetic self-contempt and self-mockery of reason declares: "there is a realm of truth and being, but reason is excluded from it!"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]But precisely because we seek knowledge, let us not be ungrateful to such resolute reversals of accustomed perspectives and valuations with which the spirit has, with apparent mischievousness and futility, raged against itself for so long: to see differently in this way for once, to want to see differently, is no small discipline and preparation for its future "objectivity" -- the latter understood not as "contemplation without interest" (which is a nonsensical absurdity), but as the ability to control one's Pro and Con and to dispose of them, so that one knows how to employ a variety of perspectives and affective interpretations in the service of knowledge.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Henceforth, my dear philosophers, let us be on guard against the dangerous old conceptual fiction that posited a "pure, will-less, painless, timeless knowing subject"; let us guard against the snares of such contradictory concepts as "pure reason," absolute spirituality," "knowledge in itself": these always demand that we should think of an eye that is completely unthinkable, an eye turned in no particular direction, in which the active and interpreting forces, through which alone seeing becomes seeing something, are supposed to be lacking; these always demand of the eye an absurdity and a nonsense. There is only a perspective seeing, only a perspective "knowing"; and the more affects we allow to speak about one thing, the more eyes, different eyes, we can use to observe one thing, the more complete will our "concept" of this thing, our "objectivity," be. But to eliminate the will altogether, to suspend each and every affect, supposing we were capable of this -- what would that mean but to castrate the intellect? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]from Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, s III.12, Walter Kaufmann transl. [/SIZE]​

each truth is true untill proven not to be truth ,so untill proven untrue it is truth
In life's wilderness,
Choked by the weeds of error -
Bloom of beauty: truth.


Truth ...
“Is the opposite of lies.” “What is truth but what we believe to be truth?” “I don't believe that there's one truth. There are so many different people, and there are so many different ways you can look at things. I don't see how there could be just one truth.” [/SIZE]
 
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One mans truth is anothers untruth, to say something is true, is to go along with the flow, or the crowd, years ago the world was concidered flat, this was seen as the truth, untill another ,more proveable truth was investegated ,the truth is what you believe to be true, regardless of whether you are in fact informed as to the validity of the truth that is known at the time of your understanding that is .if you believe it to be true it is (for you that is).!
 

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Quoteson'Truth'

The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear.
Herbert Agar


Materialism coarsens and petrifies everything, making everything vulgar, and every truth false.
Henri Frederic Amiel


An epigram is a flashlight of a truth; a witticism, truth laughing at itself.
Minna Antrim


Truth sits upon the lips of dying men.
Matthew Arnold


Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Marcus Aurelius


Not being known doesn't stop the truth from being true.
Richard Bach


There is no original truth, only original error.
Gaston Bachelard


Truth is a good dog; but always beware of barking too close to the heels of an error, lest you get your brains kicked out.
Francis Bacon


Truth is so hard to tell, it sometimes needs fiction to make it plausible.
Francis Bacon


Truth emerges more readily from error than from confusion.
Francis Bacon


Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority.
Francis Bacon


What is truth? said jesting Pilate; and would not stay for an answer.
Francis Bacon


You never find yourself until you face the truth.
Pearl Bailey


Falsehood is cowardice, the truth courage.
Hosea Ballou


Man can certainly keep on lying... but he cannot make truth falsehood. He can certainly rebel... but he can accomplish nothing which abolishes the choice of God.
Karl Barth


Truth is meant to save you first, and the comfort comes afterward.
Georges Bernanos


As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.
Josh Billings


When you want to fool the world, tell the truth.
Otto von Bismarck


A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.
William Blake


Truth never penetrates an unwilling mind.
J. L. Borges


Truth, though it has many disadvantages, is at least changeless. You can always find it where you left it.
Phyllis Bottome


The truth is always exciting. Speak it, then. Life is dull without it.
Pearl S. Buck


Truth is always strange, stranger than fiction.
Lord Byron


A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.
John Calvin


Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.
Albert Camus


Truth, of course, must of necessity be stranger than fiction; for we have made fiction to suit ourselves.
G. K. Chesterton


I am the way, the truth, and the life.
Jesus Christ


The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Winston Churchill


This is the truth: as from a fire aflame thousands of sparks come forth, even so from the Creator an infinity of beings have life and to him return again.
Marcus Tullius Cicero


Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it.
Emily Dickinson


God offers to every mind its choice between truth and repose. Take which you please - you can never have both.
Ralph Waldo Emerson


Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies.
Ralph Waldo Emerson


Truth hurts - not the searching after; the running from!
John Eyberg


There is no truth. There is only perception.
Gustave Flaubert


God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained.
Mohandas Gandhi


I worship God as Truth only. I have not yet found Him, but I am seeking after Him. I am prepared to sacrifice the things dearest to me in pursuit of this quest. Even if the sacrifice demanded my very life, I hope I may be prepared to give it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Wisdom is found only in truth.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


First and last, what is demanded of genius is love of truth.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


The truth isn't always beauty, but the hunger for it is.
Nadine Gordimer


Truth, like a torch, the more it's shook it shines.
William Hamilton


Truth is the torch that gleams through the fog without dispelling it.
Claud-Adrian Helvetius


To attempt seeing Truth without knowing Falsehood. It is the attempt to see the Light without knowing the Darkness. It cannot be.
Frank Herbert


The truth has a million faces, but there is only one truth.
Hermann Hesse


Live truth instead of professing it.
Elbert Hubbard


Proverbs are always platitudes until you have personally experienced the truth of them.
Aldous Huxley


Truth consists of having the same idea about something that God has.
Joseph Joubert


Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne.
James Russell Lowell


All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses.
Friedrich Nietzsche


There is no such thing as a harmless truth.
Gregory Nunn


The truth knocks on the door and you say, go away, I'm looking for the truth, and it goes away. Puzzling.
Robert M. Pirsig


Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away.
Elvis Presley


One fool will deny more truth in half an hour than a wise man can prove in seven years.
Coventry Patmore


The absolute truth is the thing that makes people laugh.
Carl Reiner


People say they love truth, but in reality they want to believe that which they love is true.
Robert J. Ringer


Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil.
Duc de La Rochefoucauld


The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and must therefore be treated with great caution.
J. K. Rowling


Search for the truth is the noblest occupation of man; its publication is a duty.
Madame de Stael


The truth will set you free. But first, it will p*ss you off.
Gloria Steinem


If you shut the door to all errors truth will be shut out.
Rabindranath Tagore


It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.
Mark Twain


The words of truth are always paradoxical.
Lao Tzu


Truth is one, but error is manifold.
Simone Weil


Truth provokes those whom it does not convert.
Bishop Thomas Wilson


The logic of the world is prior to all truth and falsehood.
Ludwig Wittgenstein


The truth is at the beginning of anything and its end are alike touching.
Kenko Yoshida


The truth is on the march and nothing will stop it.
Emile Zola




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"What is truth?" Pilate asked. Many people have asked the same question. How do we find the answer in a world where much of the information stream is controlled by those who so often deny the existence of truth?

Pontius Pilate © 2005 Maureen Carter
Definitions of Truth

Plato said that we can know truth if we 'sublimate our minds to their original purity'. Arcesilaus said that our understanding is not capable of knowing what truth is. Carneades stated that we can never comprehend truth; and not only that, but even our senses are inadequate in assisting us in the investigation of truth. Gorgias said, 'What is right but what we prove to be right? and what is truth but what we believe to be truth?'
A more recent definition of truth is, 'Truth is a very simple and handy concept. It is the correspondence of a pictorial or symbolic representation to the thing being represented. In the case of a symbolic representation, the correspondence may be massively complicated, but it is nonetheless similar in kind to a simple pictorial representation.' (Peter B Lloyd, 1996, University of Oxford.)
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Quoting MikeyDB One of the principle arguments entertained between "believers" and "non-believers" is that the seminal crux, the essential gist behind these concepts belong in separate and distinct domains. China, you seem prepared to mix domains in arguing your perspectives... You've contributed some propositions that grey the boundaries between them and appear to expect other participants will ignore this blurring....

Perhaps your intent isn't to clarify anything...simply to provide youself with entertainment throwing out nonsense mixed with hyperbole...

Maybe you need a different hobby wherein the burden of your introspection can be invested in bonsai or origami or something that doesn't require feedback from anyone else....

You've presented your ideas with the aplomb of the self-confident, self-assured that your perspective and only your perspective has merit. When I say oranges are orange you'd point out that they're "orange" only because that's the way I personally interpret the spectral feedback detected by my optic nerve... and hence since knowledge is fleeting and unnecessary...the "truth" is a shining "sun" and intelligence is wholly different than intellect.... whatever I see as "orange" is a figment of my imagination...

Is there a point to all this China?
Awesome, Mikey. I can't iomagine anyone saying this more eloquently.
Is there a point to all this ?many members send letters to my box saying there is , not to worry about the "rat pack" .My feelings are similar .
 
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You initiated this thread and many others. Are you suggesting that criticzing your contributions has divided the people here at Canadian Content? One camp rallying to your pseudo-philosophy and tiresome pontification....the others either ignoring you entilely or silently amused at your fumblings...?

Is finding "validation" from cyber-folk your need or just your hobby?
 

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hehehe No worries, Mikey ... China is just trying to convince us that he's a deep thinker and I have to admit that he is a bit deeper a thinker than Quandary, who took 4 huge posts to tell us that truth is relative (which was already mentioned a few times earlier in the thread anyway) and give us a bunch of quotations we could look up ourselves. roflmao
 

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. China is just trying to convince us that he's a deep thinker
Haha ha....what gives you that idea ,don't tell me;I'll make it easier for you ,you won't have to strain your noodles -...I am not a deep thinker I,m far away from it ,ass a matter of fact I would like not to think at all these are the topic of my posts(meditation) ,that is if you can read between the lines and go above the meaning of the words.
 
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Haha ha....what gives you that idea ,.........
I'll tell you anyway: you state things as if they are written in stone. They aren't. Your logic is lacking..
don't tell me;I'll make it easier for you ,you won't have to strain your noodles -...I am not a deep thinker I,m far away from it ,ass a matter of fact I would like not to think at all these are the topic of my posts(meditation) ,that is if you can read between the lines and go above the meaning of the words.
No thanks. If you can't just outright say what you mean in your posts, I am not particularly interested in figuring out what is between the lines.
Anyway, this is off topic. How about commenting on my comment about there not being any absolute truth?
 

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Hey Les...:)


Are you asking our Polish/Chinese philosopher for an absolute? "There is/isn't an absolute truth....maybe.....kinda.....if you stand on one leg and squint....."
 

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You initiated this thread and many others.
Yes I have .
Are you suggesting that criticzing your contributions has divided the people here at Canadian Content? One camp rallying to your pseudo-philosophy and tiresome pontification....the others either ignoring you entilely or silently amused at your fumblings...?
Nope ,if you read correctly you will see that I don't "suggest " anything ; I just say things the way they are .Don't like it ,don't read it .
Like.........it doesn't take brains to find what you enjoy reading ,right?
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