Thank you dear cousins

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Thank you dear cousin

my point though, was there are not 24 Canadian flags at any 9/11 monument (and I've been to most of them in the states).

All I'm saying is, I think it's time the US also formally recogneise that many nations, many faiths died and are STILL dying because of this and it's concurrent effects.

Although I agree, a war on terror cannot be won

 

[elevennevele]

Re: RE: Thank you dear cousins

It's actually "Lest we forget".

No one should be using today as a political tool. I don't understand why the other guy doing something means you have to as well.

I dunno. We'll see if you feel the same when on November 11th this year there are picketers yelling that Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are terrorists and murderers. Maybe they can even do it outside the next dead soldier's funeral, so we can all learn from them. Timing is a matter of taste. I think people are more likely to take a message with an open mind when it's done tactfully and tastefully. I don't think today is the day.

Is that suppose to be a tasteful response to me. How would I like it Tracy?

My feelings towards the troops are entirely different than the politics that surround them. That is completely unrelated to the issue I’m drawing from. It is the politics that surround them that determines the good they can do as well as the bad they can do. They have no choice which means it’s crucial there is a vigilant attitude towards our politicians. Especially if they are trying to leverage them on a day like 911.

You had enough to say towards me meanwhile Harper lines up victims for camera fodder so he can give political speeches on Afghanistan, and I would have to feel guilt if I speak critically of that?

But really I haven’t advocated anything specifically. However you have talked as much as I did yesterday on 911 and how you opinioned was no more or less political than anything I had to say. If you really look at it from the perspective you were drawing from, you had no business on these forums lecturing to the rest of us. Rather you should have practiced what you preached and simply mourned yesterday. But I welcome the debate so I preferred to have you stay and state your politics on the issue.

I’m sorry it has come to this exchange. I’ve really found you greatly informative on health issues. Here I just simply have to disagree with you. I wasn’t advocating any tasteless action on 911 but I don’t think a day can occur when we can’t think critically and to speak our minds on it.

That said, forgive my mistake on the "Lest we forget".

Yes, I’ve seen people get lectured on that one before and I feel pretty silly now being one of those people. I do make human error from time to time. Especially when trying to type out my thoughts quickly.

 

[Curiosity]

Re: RE: Thank you dear cousin

my point though, was there are not 24 Canadian flags at any 9/11 monument (and I've been to most of them in the states).

All I'm saying is, I think it's time the US also formally recogneise that many nations, many faiths died and are STILL dying because of this and it's concurrent effects.

Although I agree, a war on terror cannot be won

Daz Hockey

Not clear what you mean about Canadian Flags at any 9-11 monument...

What monument - what states - and what do you mean by "most of them" ?

Do you mean the ceremonies held over the past five years?

At the footprints of the two WTC buildings - flags of the nations for the slain were flying.

Is that what you mean by monument? I don't know what you mean by states....

 

[damngrumpy]

I am tired of hearing about 9/11, its five years old and ancient history. But every year like some gay pride parade the Americans and others I might add drag out the crying towels for one more good sob that will hold them for another year.
The real aim of course is to drag up those old forgotten feelings of anger so they can continue their illegal war against Iraq, and continue to torture their captives in secret while pretending its ok because of 9/11.
The only way the American Administration can liberate people is by killing them it seems. The American government ensures the criminals and gangsters, known as war lords, fill the positions of governments they install.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan they have governments that continue the same old tribal ways of the past, that have no relation to democracy period.
When the west leaves the whole place will plunge right back into the same dark ages they are trying to crawl out of now.
The trouble is in western society, conservative, christian fundamentalism is threatening to drag us into the same black hole.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Daz Hockey

Not clear what you mean about Canadian Flags at any 9-11 monument...

What monument - what states - and what do you mean by "most of them" ?

Do you mean the ceremonies held over the past five years?

At the footprints of the two WTC buildings - flags of the nations for the slain were flying.

Is that what you mean by monument? I don't know what you mean by states....

I never noticed any other flag but the star-spangled banner at ground zero.....that and a bunch of money making beggars.

Nope, I mean several, like the field of flags in idaho, the rose gradens in Kansas, the silent pond in North Dakota, the list goes on, I've seen a lot of em, and not one has paid any recognition to the non-US citizens who died.

 

[Curiosity]

Daz Hockey

Somehow I believe nothing will satisfy those who wish to find fault. I started this thread on 9/11 asking for one day of tribute - nothing more - and was disappointed to see such tragic responses.
As to your particular point, there is no way I can offer proof of what you charge against the people who conduct these services.....and at this point do not care to try. I was surprised to see the number of Canadians who perished as only 5 - would they have been listed under other nationalities than Canadian?

I have only been to local services and not the New York, Pennsylvania or Pentagon services but here is a list of the non-U.S. people who perished on 9/11. Their names are forever linked with the victims regardless of what country they belong to. I believe all the names are read at the services and their country of origin also stated.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

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[Riyko]

I am tired of hearing about 9/11, its five years old and ancient history. But every year like some gay pride parade the Americans and others I might add drag out the crying towels for one more good sob that will hold them for another year.
The real aim of course is to drag up those old forgotten feelings of anger so they can continue their illegal war against Iraq, and continue to torture their captives in secret while pretending its ok because of 9/11.
The only way the American Administration can liberate people is by killing them it seems. The American government ensures the criminals and gangsters, known as war lords, fill the positions of governments they install.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan they have governments that continue the same old tribal ways of the past, that have no relation to democracy period.
When the west leaves the whole place will plunge right back into the same dark ages they are trying to crawl out of now.
The trouble is in western society, conservative, christian fundamentalism is threatening to drag us into the same black hole.

It's not the whole US Government, it's just the main players of the US government that got the US involved in the war. Alot of the people who are in the government we're against the war, but they won't tell you that so you'll be mad at the government as a whole. The ones responsible for the war's that the US are involved in are George W Bush and Dick Chaney.

I admit i'm tired of hearing about 9/11 every year, but you can't stop them from bringing it up because they want everyone to remember what happened. As much as I hate hearing about it and as much anti US government/President/Vice President I am and I live in the US I have to deal with that stuff so i'm used to it and ignore it and not watch tv or go out.

 

[Sassylassie]

Ignore September 11, not plucking in my life time. What happened that day was an act of Terror that is beyond my comprehension and I will honor those innocents who died that day every single year that goes by. I will also remember and honor those who are dying day after day from the toxic effects of the smoke and the First Responders who are dying from this same toxic brew. Forget, NEVER.

 

[I think not]

For those of you who are tired hearing about 9/11, turn off your phuckin TV's every year.

 

[MikeyDB]

Yes absolutely turn off your TV!

Turn off your TV for keeps because the only events that will be being televised will be the Holocaust brought to you in living color repeated ad nauseum, 9/11 as (as someone has already pointed out,relentless justification for the surrender of human rights dignity and freedom in the name of a war on terrorism perpetrated by Fascists every bit as inhuman as those primarily responsible for the Holocaust and just as prepared to kill everyone in the name of there cause.

And the cause has remained the same throughout human history.... Pursuit of power and wealth for the few and servitude and subsistence for the remainder.

We've had the British Empire loot and pillage nations around the globe, we've had Spain and France and other nations behaving the same way for generations and now we have the United States of America doing exactly the same things that history should tell us are completely and utterly self-destructive...

But hey, pass the chips and beer...the hockey game's on...

 

[I think not]

And the cause has remained the same throughout human history.... Pursuit of power and wealth for the few and servitude and subsistence for the remainder.

Well then get off your ass and do something about it. What are you whining about?

 

[Sassylassie]

While you are eating your chips and beer child remember how those people died, they jumped to their deaths they burned to death, the smothered. A screaming agony of pain, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell your Socialist Pacifist ass to pass on the chips you don't need the padding.

I cannot believe the object hurtful and hateful things a Communist/Socialist will spew forth all the while saying "Guns kill Momsey", they surely do Son I'll teach ya how to use one tomorrow when you Uncle Bob comes home from hunting opps sorry I mean ya Pa.

 

[MikeyDB]

Please sassylassie don't turn this into a "who has suffered more" balance sheet accounting of atrocities comitted by who upon whom.

And exactly what do you think you know about me to determine that I'm a socialist or a pacafist for that matter...

And which particular flavor of hubris do think you can claim as your own?

You remember the victims of 9/11 and I'll remember the victims of nations murdered by the corporate governments of the world and the only commonality between the two is that its our dollars that fund this self-destruction and facilitate their destruction.

Keep your pious self-righteousness for somone you can fool into thinking you're not a participant in this experience....from both ends sassy...the fear outrage and compassion for the victims and the means whereby they were rendered victims....