Terrorist Training Camp in New York

[Curiosity]

DarkBeaver

If I have it wrong, please correct me so I am not wrong any more.
Thanks.

CaracalKid

Agree with Colpby - that was well presented. Thanks.

Personally I would be glad to submit to an annual photograph; an updated background check; and would happily submit them notarized along with my income tax payment every year as well as electronic fingerprinting/iridology check.... if I thought all my trouble was being put to good use - that it was being kept for ready access in minutes (if not seconds) by some think tank buried deep next to Area 51 for example.

I don't think of it as losing freedom, but playing a part in protecting the freedom of those who live in North America.

I admit you make way too much sense and as I realize these things should never be in the first place - I would still comply if it became
necessary. I do believe however those who demand this information treat it with dignity and stop losing the stuff or bringing it up to use against people without warning.

The division was not one of my personal choice and until it is resolved and the world tilts back into harmony (if ever again), I will do what I can.

Us and them ? You would not want me to print out the words I have in my heart.

Thanks for a great answer and appreciate the time it took.

Colpy

He was discharged dishonorably? You are right - they usually let these things slide unless something happens which can't be covered up.

You are right - they did the right thing - but turned him loose on the public.

 

[jimmoyer]

An "us and them" mindset would only further drive divisions and create a framework for further problems while also not accurately identifying all threats. These things are seldom "black and white" in nature.
---------------------------caracal kid-----------------------

All the wisdom and understanding in the world
won't stop what you point out.

This is going to happen on a very primitive level.

Because at some point when you are looking at a threat, it does become a matter of YOU or THEM.

All the reasoning in the world will not prevent
a simple fact of evil and hypocrisy: It happens because
they can do it.

A simple fact of a wife abuser comes finally down
to the one thing: BECAUSE HE CAN.

 

[the caracal kid]

As usual you raise a very valid point jim.

I admit i am a bit of an idealist.

It is quite a bit to imagine people completely overcoming our natural wiring to discern difference and classify.

 

[Sassylassie]

Perhaps, The CIA, ATF, and Home Land Security are keeping these nut-cases under survalence and the news Report could of done more harm than good. They could be gathering intel on who is coming and going, and who are being trained for the next wave of Terrorist Attacks. It is an Assumtution that no one is monitoring these Slime Bags. Wednesday, loved your post on sneaking poison in the water--that was my first response to the article. Mogz, it aint worth the ink to argue with someone who thinks they are superior to the rest of us and in fainess to Charcol Kid he could of been the Unit Janitor or the Civie Chef in the mess.

 

[Curiosity]

LOL Sassy

You are like a breath of fresh air dropping in here with your little hopping "Lamb Chop".... telling it in plain language!!!

I'll bet you sleep well at night...while neurotics like me lay awake feeling guilty for my bad thoughts.... when you are right......

These slimes don't deserve any consideration at all. They would kill all of us and our families without blinking an eye.

 

[Curiosity]

http://tinyurl.com/9x697

We were brought up to hate - and we do
By Nonie Darwish
(Filed: 12/02/2006)

The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease.

I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and in the Gaza Strip. In the 1950s, my father was sent by Egypt's President, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to head the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and the Sinai where he founded the Palestinian Fedayeen, or "armed resistance". They made cross-border attacks into Israel, killing 400 Israelis and wounding more than 900 others.

My father was killed as a result of the Fedayeen operations when I was eight years old. He was hailed by Nasser as a national hero and was considered a shaheed, or martyr. In his speech announcing the nationalisation of the Suez Canal, Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge for my father's death. My siblings and I were asked by Nasser: "Which one of you will avenge your father's death by killing Jews?" We looked at each other speechless, unable to answer.

In school in Gaza, I learned hate, vengeance and retaliation. Peace was never an option, as it was considered a sign of defeat and weakness. At school we sang songs with verses calling Jews "dogs" (in Arab culture, dogs are considered unclean).

Criticism and questioning were forbidden. When I did either of these, I was told: "Muslims cannot love the enemies of God, and those who do will get no mercy in hell." As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers outside the mosque. They said: "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We heard worshippers respond "Amen".

My friend looked scared; I was ashamed. That was when I first realised that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practised. Sadly, the way I was raised was not unique. Hundreds of millions of other Muslims also have been raised with the same hatred of the West and Israel as a way to distract from the failings of their leaders. Things have not changed since I was a little girl in the 1950s.

Palestinian television extols terrorists, and textbooks still deny the existence of Israel. More than 300 Palestinians schools are named after shaheeds, including my father. Roads in both Egypt and Gaza still bear his name - as they do of other "martyrs". What sort of message does that send about the role of terrorists? That they are heroes. Leaders who signed peace treaties, such as President Anwar Sadat, have been assassinated. Today, the Islamo-fascist president of Iran uses nuclear dreams, Holocaust denials and threats to "wipe Israel off the map" as a way to maintain control of his divided country.

Indeed, with Denmark set to assume the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, the flames of the cartoon controversy have been fanned by Iran and Syria. This is critical since the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to refer Iran to the Security Council and demand sanctions. At the same time, Syria is under scrutiny for its actions in Lebanon. Both Iran and Syria cynically want to embarrass the Danes to achieve their dangerous goals.

But the rallies and riots come from a public ripe with rage. From my childhood in Gaza until today, blaming Israel and the West has been an industry in the Muslim world. Whenever peace seemed attainable, Palestinian leaders found groups who would do everything to sabotage it. They allowed their people to be used as the front line of Arab jihad. Dictators in countries surrounding the Palestinians were only too happy to exploit the Palestinians as a diversion from problems in their own backyards. The only voice outside of government control in these areas has been the mosques, and these places of worship have been filled with talk of jihad.

Is it any surprise that after decades of indoctrination in a culture of hate, that people actually do hate? Arab society has created a system of relying on fear of a common enemy. It's a system that has brought them much-needed unity, cohesion and compliance in a region ravaged by tribal feuds, instability, violence, and selfish corruption. So Arab leaders blame Jews and Christians rather than provide good schools, roads, hospitals, housing, jobs, or hope to their people.

For 30 years I lived inside this war zone of oppressive dictatorships and police states. Citizens competed to appease and glorify their dictators, but they looked the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorised other Muslims. I witnessed honour killings of girls, oppression of women, female genital mutilation, polygamy and its devastating effect on family relations. All of this is destroying the Muslim faith from within.

It's time for Arabs and Muslims to stand up for their families. We must stop allowing our leaders to use the West and Israel as an excuse to distract from their own failed leadership and their citizens' lack of freedoms. It's time to stop allowing Arab leaders to complain about cartoons while turning a blind eye to people who defame Islam by holding Korans in one hand while murdering innocent people with the other.

Muslims need jobs - not jihad. Apologies about cartoons will not solve the problems. What is needed is hope and not hate. Unless we recognise that the culture of hate is the true root of the riots surrounding this cartoon controversy, this violent overreaction will only be the start of a clash of civilis-ations that the world cannot bear.

• Nonie Darwish is a freelance writer and public speaker.
News: 'Fire throughout the world'

 

[FiveParadox]

Thank you, Wednesday's Child — that was a beautiful read.

I quite agree with the premise of the article — that the source of this problem is not the Islamic faith itself, but rather those who are twisting and bending the tenets of the faith for their own partisan purposes. Shame on any who would dare violate the sanctity of any faith to do so.

 

[Sassylassie]

Whow, that article is amazing and I would say smack on.

 

[the caracal kid]

"Mogz, it aint worth the ink to argue with someone who thinks they are superior to the rest of us and in fainess to Charcol Kid he could of been the Unit Janitor or the Civie Chef in the mess. "

I never made claims of superiority. I told as much as was necessary of what I did with the airborne. I am not the one trying to take personal pot-shots. If you sense some kind of superiority from me it is only a reflection of yourself. As I said, my work was vindicated (bittersweetly) with the Somalia event and later disbanding of the unit.

 

[jimmoyer]

Do not make the mistake that Islam and its surrounding
culture are separate.

The Catholic Church has always held that The Bible
was NOT the only source of knowlege regarding
God and Jesus, but rather the whole heritage of ideas
surrounding it.

This point was much protested by ALL the PROTESTANT
splinter groups.

And so no matter what your heritage, this PROTESTANT
view has blended into even those who aren't Christians, even those who are atheists, that the one text is
the only source for ISLAM.

The Koran is not the only source, but rather the whole
heritage of interpretations and writings and behaviors
that surround the Koran, but the Koran is NOT the
ONLY source of ISLAM.

This is a conceit, this separateness.

Like cancer in the body, you may see the separateness
but it is certainly merged indelibly, almost inextricably
with the whole body.