Terrorism has risen since Iraq War

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats on Sunday seized on an intelligence assessment that said the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat, saying it was further evidence that Americans should choose new leadership in the November elections.

The Democrats hoped the report would undermine the GOP's image as the party more capable of handing terrorism as the campaign enters its final six-week stretch.

Their criticisms came in a collection of statements sent to reporters Sunday amid the disclosure of a National Intelligence Estimate that concluded the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The report was completed in April and represented a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, according to an intelligence official. The official, confirming accounts first published in Sunday's New York Times and Washington Post, spoke on condition of anonymity on Sunday because the report is classified.

"Unfortunately this report is just confirmation that the Bush administration's stay-the-course approach to the Iraq war has not just made the war more difficult and more deadly for our troops, but has also made the war on terror more dangerous for every American," said Representative Rahm Emanuel, head of the Democratic effort to take control of the House.

"It's time for a new direction in this country," Emanuel,(D-Ill.), said in the statement.

"Press reports say our nation's intelligence services have confirmed that President Bush's repeated missteps in Iraq and his stubborn refusal to change course have made America less safe," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "No election-year White House PR campaign can hide this truth."

A White House spokesman, Blair Jones, said, "We don't comment on classified documents." But he said the published accounts' "characterization of the NIE is not representative of the complete document."

In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Bush's national intelligence director, John Negroponte, said, "What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat."

He added, "The conclusions of the intelligence community are designed to be comprehensive and viewing them through the narrow prism of a fraction of judgments distorts the broad framework they create."

The White House issued a written rebuttal that argued administration officials have been making some of the same arguments as in the intelligence estimate. A White House strategy booklet released this month described the terrorists as more dispersed and less centralized and still a threat to the United States.

Bush himself said on Sept. 5 that "terrorist danger remains" and the broader terrorist movement is becoming more spread out and self-directed. He also quoted Osama bin Laden describing Iraq as the central battlefield in the fight against terrorism.

The president has said the United States is safer since the Sept. 11 attacks and that fighting the terrorists in Iraq keeps them from attacking America. He has said leaving Iraq would make the world less safe.

Democrats said Bush had misled people about Iraq's contribution to the terrorist threat.

"It is abundantly clear that we need a new direction in Iraq by strategically redeploying our troops to fight and win the real war on terror and make our country safer," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, (D-Mass.). "The American people know it and our military leaders do as well. It's only the Republican leaders who have their heads in the sand, stubbornly refusing to change course and making the war on terror harder to win."

In congressional races across the country, Democratic candidates used the report to attack their opponents and tie them to Bush's faltering strategy.

Three leading Republicans - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky - defended the war in Iraq and said it is vital that U.S. troops stay in the fight. None of them had seen the classified report, but were responding to press coverage of it.

McConnell suggested that the fight in Iraq has stopped terrorists from attacking the U.S. and leaving would only create "a breeding ground for attacks here at home."

McCain said that if the U.S. were to fail in Iraq, "then our problems will be much more complicated."

But at least one Republican - Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania - said he was very concerned about the intelligence report and agreed that the war had intensified Islamic fundamentalism.

"I think there is a much more fundamental issue how we respond," he said on CNN's "Late Edition." "And that is what we do with the Iraq war itself. That's the focal point for inspiring more radical Islam fundamentalism, and that's a problem that nobody seems to have an answer to."
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I wonder why this hasn't shown up?
 

jimmoyer

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Terrorism has not risen since Iraq war.

The real antecedents are the Wahhabi hate schools
that have been around PRIOR to the Russians invading
Afghanistan.

You might remember Al Qaeda's first try on the Twin
Towers in 1993, well before the 2nd Gulf War, but
shortly after the first Gulf War, and that top on
Al Qaeda's complaint list was not Palestine, but US
troops on Saudi soil.
 

Karlin

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Despite what jimmoyer says, it seems that there are now more terrorists ready and willing to fight it out in Iraq.

Perhaps this does not mean more attacks on the USA mainland, but the real goal of Islamic terrorists is to get rid of American influences in their homelands. That is similiar to Canadians being concerned about the USA taking over Canada, and if it ever actually happened, with USA troops parading around our nation at will, many of us would want to take up arms against them.

It is a simple equation of ramping up the agression and that creates more terrorists. Its not difficult to see this - when Bush announced he would invade Iraq people were immediately saying "this is going to be a quagmire". I did, because it was obvious this was ramping up the aggression. Peopel allways respond to added aggression with more resistance.

Which brings us to the new age thinking which finds that we can accomplish a lot more by being smart about it, by using diplomacy and genuine understanding. For example, I am reading "The Man who talks to Horses", where Monty Roberts points out that just touching a horse on the opposite side will make him move that way, instead of struggling to move it away by pushing on him with great force.

Thats a weird example to bring into this issue, but it seems so right. Bush is of the "brutal school of behavior" where fear and punishment are the only tools they have. Bring them to heel, wring the willpower out of them, and then we will have good relations.

IT ISN'T WORKING - THERE ARE MORE TERRORISTS NOW.
Karlin
 

earth_as_one

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If the United States liberated Canada the way it liberated Iraq, Canada would be a terrorism hotbed.

The report is controversial because it states obvious truths which have been kept from the public.
 

Gonzo

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Terrorism has risen since the Iraq war? Wow. Who would have thought that going to war would increase terrorism? Who would have thought that violence breeds more violence?
The mentality that America is safer when you get them before they get you is an absurd and dangerous one. Because then you don’t need to justify going to war. You can say "they want to attack us so we got them first". Then you can attack anyone you want without a real reason. That’s when animosity towards America grows. And then you have more terrorist organizations wanting to harm innocent American civilians. Bush has done one hell of a job to America’s image around the world. Right after 9/11 the whole world was on America’s side. What happened? Bush screwed up.
 

earth_as_one

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Abraham Lincoln, Texas, Mexico, The Mexican-American War. What the hell does this have to do with today’s world?

You tell me.

In a letter to his partner in law, William Herndon, written on February 15, 1848 Lincoln protested the Mexican-American war and said:

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,–I see no probability of the British invading us”; but he will say to you, “Be silent: I see it, if you don’t.”

http://planetpooks.wordpress.com/2006/04/25/lincoln-speaks/
 

Hotshot

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I think not said:
Gonzo said:
Right after 9/11 the whole world was on America’s side. What happened? Bush screwed up.

Oh yes, let's not forget the blip in time when "the world" was on America's side.

At that time, most of the 'western world' didn't realize how much of blithering liars the yanks actually were. They finally figured it out.
 

Hotshot

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Simply put (for all you yankees) as soon as the yanks leave Iraq, terrorism against the innocent civilians there will deminish greatly. GET OUT!
 

jimmoyer

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Despite what jimmoyer says, it seems that there are now more terrorists ready and willing to fight it out in Iraq.

Perhaps this does not mean more attacks on the USA mainland, but the real goal of Islamic terrorists is to get rid of American influences in their homelands. That is similiar to Canadians being concerned about the USA taking over Canada, and if it ever actually happened, with USA troops parading around our nation at will, many of us would want to take up arms against them.

It is a simple equation of ramping up the agression and that creates more terrorists. Its not difficult to see this - when Bush announced he would invade Iraq people were immediately saying "this is going to be a quagmire". I did, because it was obvious this was ramping up the aggression. Peopel allways respond to added aggression with more resistance.

Which brings us to the new age thinking which finds that we can accomplish a lot more by being smart about it, by using diplomacy and genuine understanding. For example, I am reading "The Man who talks to Horses", where Monty Roberts points out that just touching a horse on the opposite side will make him move that way, instead of struggling to move it away by pushing on him with great force.

Thats a weird example to bring into this issue, but it seems so right. Bush is of the "brutal school of behavior" where fear and punishment are the only tools they have. Bring them to heel, wring the willpower out of them, and then we will have good relations.

IT ISN'T WORKING - THERE ARE MORE TERRORISTS NOW.
-----------------Karlin------------------------------------------------


Even Danish cartoons move them to violence.

Even the Pope gives them reason to burn Christian
Churches.

The complaints today are just props, excuses for
the master manipulators to whip up populist hatred,
having had years of indoctrination in Wahhabi schools
started decades ago.

It was only a matter of time we reached this moment
in history.

You're a peaceful man, Karlin, I don't see you using
any of these excuses to become a suicide clown.
And you certainly hate Amerika, its policies, and its
President. But why don't you cross the line to the
dark side ?

Mohammad Atta, one of the Saudi captains piloting
the airliner into the Twin Towers had a high level
education, his own home in no danger, his life under
no threat, but yet he felt it necessary to cross the line
you Karlin don't choose to do.