Ten Paces then DRAW!
- Thread starter Canucklehead
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Small arms includes hunting rifles and shotguns, which require greater freedom of movement, although I would restrict their use to people who are going to eat what they kill and limit them to two shots. If you can't make a kill with two shots, then you aren't much of a hunter. There's plenty of time to reload if you need to put an animal out of its misery.
I am speaking only of handguns and assault weapons.
I am speaking only of handguns and assault weapons.
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Lets not forget what may have to be done if we declare war on the Avian flu.
Jay said:
Lets not forget what may have to be done if we declare war on the Avian flu.
Considering that most shotguns were either single shot or double shot until fairly recently, I think you need to practice more, Jay.
http://www.lamonitor.com/articles/2005/08/31/headline_news/news12.txt
Shooting was first under concealed carry
"ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.
Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.
The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.
Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.
Moore could not be reached for comment.
New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks.
Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004."
Shooting was first under concealed carry
"ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.
Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.
The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.
Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.
Moore could not be reached for comment.
New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks.
Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004."
Did any of you know that in the town of Kennesaw, Georgia the law is that every household shall have a firearm and ammo for that gun in the house.
There are two exceptions:
Exception one is that you are a felon and then you can not legally have a gun. Exception two is that owning a firearm is against your religious beliefs.
By the law, any offical mandated by the city (normally just the police) can knock on your door and ask to see the firearm/ammo. You must produce both to the offical. If not, you will get a fine and/or jail time. The crime rate for the whole city of Kennesaw is a rating 1 which is the best you can get. (The rating scale is from 1-10 where 10 is high crime and 1 is virtually none). Most cities around Kennesaw have rating from 1-4/5 depending on the area in the city.
There are two exceptions:
Exception one is that you are a felon and then you can not legally have a gun. Exception two is that owning a firearm is against your religious beliefs.
By the law, any offical mandated by the city (normally just the police) can knock on your door and ask to see the firearm/ammo. You must produce both to the offical. If not, you will get a fine and/or jail time. The crime rate for the whole city of Kennesaw is a rating 1 which is the best you can get. (The rating scale is from 1-10 where 10 is high crime and 1 is virtually none). Most cities around Kennesaw have rating from 1-4/5 depending on the area in the city.
So why don't they arm everybody boarding an airplane, James? Why can't I carry an assault weapon into the White House?
Unless by a law enforcement official with the right training, carrying guns in airplanes poses uneccessary risk to many passengers, Rev. If the gun were to go off accidently and penetrate through the fuselage and create an air vacuum, the results would be catastrophic.
As for the White House, by allowing guns we would be exposing the President to uneccessary risk as well. As President, he is a high profile official who unfortunately receives many death threats that are investigated by the Secret Service. It would be foolish to allow folks walking around with guns near the President. This is not an issue with ordinary citizens as most of us do not receive death threats.
As for the White House, by allowing guns we would be exposing the President to uneccessary risk as well. As President, he is a high profile official who unfortunately receives many death threats that are investigated by the Secret Service. It would be foolish to allow folks walking around with guns near the President. This is not an issue with ordinary citizens as most of us do not receive death threats.
Rev said
" It could have just as easily been the guy with the knife shooting his ex-wife"
But it WASN'T Rev, that is the point.
And it ISN'T two and one half MILLION times a year in the United States. That is the number of times per year guns are used in the USA for legal defence. In 99.8% of these cases, no shots are fired.
READ KLECK!
As for your Whitehouse and airplane arguments, they are misdirection. Of course, the President is a target for any number of whackos that would simply like to kill him Thus the need for unusual measures. 911 proved aircraft can also be a focus of nutbars, and that is predictable.
BTW, I believe pilots in the USA can carry handguns if they wish.
" It could have just as easily been the guy with the knife shooting his ex-wife"
But it WASN'T Rev, that is the point.
And it ISN'T two and one half MILLION times a year in the United States. That is the number of times per year guns are used in the USA for legal defence. In 99.8% of these cases, no shots are fired.
READ KLECK!
As for your Whitehouse and airplane arguments, they are misdirection. Of course, the President is a target for any number of whackos that would simply like to kill him Thus the need for unusual measures. 911 proved aircraft can also be a focus of nutbars, and that is predictable.
BTW, I believe pilots in the USA can carry handguns if they wish.
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Well, unfortunately the world isn't black and white Rev. Criminals with guns are dangerous. Law abiding civilians with guns even out the playing field against the criminals.
The example I noted on my post on the previous page demonstrates just that. The town in Georgia that requires every household by law to have guns, has the lowest crime in the country. Why would a criminal think he could get away in commiting an armed crime if he will encounter armed resistance from the ordinary citizen? He doesn't, and that's why in places with a high percentage of "legal" gun owners, crime rates are low.
Reverend Blair said:
Well, unfortunately the world isn't black and white Rev. Criminals with guns are dangerous. Law abiding civilians with guns even out the playing field against the criminals.
The example I noted on my post on the previous page demonstrates just that. The town in Georgia that requires every household by law to have guns, has the lowest crime in the country. Why would a criminal think he could get away in commiting an armed crime if he will encounter armed resistance from the ordinary citizen? He doesn't, and that's why in places with a high percentage of "legal" gun owners, crime rates are low.
Here are a couple of recent links on news regarding homeowners who luckily had their guns and were able to defend themselves against home invaders.
One happened late last week and the other just yesterday...
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-110405-jmn-intruder_shot.286918d4.html
http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/285275571786744.php
One happened late last week and the other just yesterday...
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-110405-jmn-intruder_shot.286918d4.html
http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/285275571786744.php
Are you intimating that law abiding citizens wouldn't protect George Bush if somebody was trying kill him? I know the man's not popular, but surely somebody would try to save him.
Yeah. The town in Georgia did that to make a point after a handgun ban enacted in Morton Grove, Ill. (a suburb of Chicago, I believe)
I remember Morton Grove (like San Francisco) had a deadline for citizens to hand in their guns.
Morton Grove had a population of 100,000. Statistically, there should have been 20,000 handguns turned in.
FIVE were turned in. The other 19,995? Who knows.
Life magazine's editorial board made damn fools of themselves with a big article loving the ban, complete with pictures of the five pistols locked in a jail cell. Need I say it.....they were all cheap junk.
As an amusing aside, Kenneshaw's mayor at the time wrote the Morton Grove council if they could please send all turned in firearms down to Kenneshaw....to be handed out to the poor who couldn't afford their own.
Now there's a social program!
Great sense of humour, that Georgia boy.
I remember Morton Grove (like San Francisco) had a deadline for citizens to hand in their guns.
Morton Grove had a population of 100,000. Statistically, there should have been 20,000 handguns turned in.
FIVE were turned in. The other 19,995? Who knows.
Life magazine's editorial board made damn fools of themselves with a big article loving the ban, complete with pictures of the five pistols locked in a jail cell. Need I say it.....they were all cheap junk.
As an amusing aside, Kenneshaw's mayor at the time wrote the Morton Grove council if they could please send all turned in firearms down to Kenneshaw....to be handed out to the poor who couldn't afford their own.
Now there's a social program!
Great sense of humour, that Georgia boy.
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Colpy, no town within the US may prosecute any law abiding citizen who owns a firearm. We are allowed by law within our constitution to own guns. The consitution overries any small town bylaws or propositions.
Colpy said:Yeah. The town in Georgia did that to make a point after a handgun ban enacted in Morton Grove, Ill. (a suburb of Chicago, I believe)
I remember Morton Grove (like San Francisco) had a deadline for citizens to hand in their guns.
Morton Grove had a population of 100,000. Statistically, there should have been 20,000 handguns turned in.
FIVE were turned in. The other 19,995? Who knows.
Life magazine's editorial board made damn fools of themselves with a big article loving the ban, complete with pictures of the five pistols locked in a jail cell. Need I say it.....they were all cheap junk.
As an amusing aside, Kenneshaw's mayor at the time wrote the Morton Grove council if they could please send all turned in firearms down to Kenneshaw....to be handed out to the poor who couldn't afford their own.
Now there's a social program!
Great sense of humour, that Georgia boy.
Colpy, no town within the US may prosecute any law abiding citizen who owns a firearm. We are allowed by law within our constitution to own guns. The consitution overries any small town bylaws or propositions.
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That's silly. The risk factor of a hired killer would be too great to allow anyone with guns in the white house (except Secret Service and/or the military/police).
Reverend Blair said:
That's silly. The risk factor of a hired killer would be too great to allow anyone with guns in the white house (except Secret Service and/or the military/police).