Tattoos!!!

Cosmo

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I have many ... and am planning my next one. :) Tattoos, for me, are meaningful expressions of important events or beliefs of my life. I have a blue heron, a labrys, 2 lilies, a pegasus, a rainbow, some chinese writing, a lifelong friend's initial with flower and a couple others. I also have piercings. :)
 

Twila

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I have 4 tattoo's. I like all but 1 of them.

Although I think it would be really cool if they'd invent those temporary tattoes in blanks. Then I could cover up my tattoos periodically so I could go "nekkid".

I've had piercings too. Cosmo. Currently I only have my belly botton ring still in. I got rid of my tongue stud when I took my current job. I'd like to get the skin between my collar bone done. Right at the start of my throat. Unfortunately my occupation doesn't lend itself to this sort of........expression. How many people have seen an accountant with body piercings? I don't want to be the first. Cause I suspect I'd be the first pierced UNEMPLOYED accountant. Not much money in that!
 

Twila

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Mar 26, 2003
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I have 4 tattoo's. I like all but 1 of them.

Although I think it would be really cool if they'd invent those temporary tattoes in blanks. Then I could cover up my tattoos periodically so I could go "nekkid".

I've had piercings too. Cosmo. Currently I only have my belly botton ring still in. I got rid of my tongue stud when I took my current job. I'd like to get the skin between my collar bone done. Right at the start of my throat. Unfortunately my occupation doesn't lend itself to this sort of........expression. How many people have seen an accountant with body piercings? I don't want to be the first. Cause I suspect I'd be the first pierced UNEMPLOYED accountant. Not much money in that!
 

Twila

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Mar 26, 2003
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I have 4 tattoo's. I like all but 1 of them.

Although I think it would be really cool if they'd invent those temporary tattoes in blanks. Then I could cover up my tattoos periodically so I could go "nekkid".

I've had piercings too. Cosmo. Currently I only have my belly botton ring still in. I got rid of my tongue stud when I took my current job. I'd like to get the skin between my collar bone done. Right at the start of my throat. Unfortunately my occupation doesn't lend itself to this sort of........expression. How many people have seen an accountant with body piercings? I don't want to be the first. Cause I suspect I'd be the first pierced UNEMPLOYED accountant. Not much money in that!
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Tatoos remind me of when I used to take my nephew to MacDonalds.
My nephew worshipped MacDonalds because they used to give away a "Treat-Of-The-Week".
Lots of times the treat was just a comic strip character which you wet abit and stuck it to your arm like a tatoo.

I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Tatoos remind me of when I used to take my nephew to MacDonalds.
My nephew worshipped MacDonalds because they used to give away a "Treat-Of-The-Week".
Lots of times the treat was just a comic strip character which you wet abit and stuck it to your arm like a tatoo.

I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Tatoos remind me of when I used to take my nephew to MacDonalds.
My nephew worshipped MacDonalds because they used to give away a "Treat-Of-The-Week".
Lots of times the treat was just a comic strip character which you wet abit and stuck it to your arm like a tatoo.

I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Calm
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Interesting Calm ... I do agree that it is a form of "body mutilation" but that is not necessarily negative in my view. I love body art. I think the degree of commitment required to get a tattoo says a lot about the individual. Many people I know have tiny, hidden tattoos -- which is totally cool -- but I find it most interesting when people get tattoos that cannot be covered.

I got my first tattoo at 15 years old (yup, way back in the 70s before it was "cool"). Out of neccesity it was a small one I could hide from my parents. It started an ongoing desire in me to continue adding tattoos to my skin as important markers in my life.

Tattoos are an ideal way to start conversations with total strangers and to be give the opportunity to get to know deep truths about people that it would otherwise take years to learn. I the reasons people get their tattoos most fascinating. It's rare that someone gets inked just for the hell of it. Tattoos are deeply meaningful expressions. If you are honestly interested, people will reveal their truths if you ask.

In more than 30 years, I have regretted only one of my tattoos ... a matching tattoo I got with someone that turned out to be a bit of a psycho. I plan to have it covered. The rest of them give me a great deal of enjoyment whenever I look at them. The reason I have yet to get any on my back is that I get my tattoos for MY benefit and can't see my back. :) They are totems, of a sort ... spiritual markings that represent dreams, strengths, loves. It's like wearing a part of my psche on my outsides. It also provides me with the same kind of ritualistic reminder that Catholics find in their rosaries ... my tattoos remind me of my spiritual goals when I am feeling off centre.

I have tattoos on both arms, on my legs ... my tattoos couldn't be covered if I tried. It's been interesting in the work force, at times, but because I am completely unapologetic and entirely comfortable with my ink, even employers generally respond well. At least not a one has ever told me to cover them, even in office settings.

Actually, Calm, scarification is a very interesting form of body art. It's ancient tradition and can be quite beautiful. I love the pretty colours, tho, so haven't taken that route. I just stick with the tattoos and the piercings. :)

I think many people have a knee-jerk reaction to tattoos. Because they were once the dominion of the "bad" people, the bikers and druggies, etc., it's easy to dismiss tattoos without stopping to actually pay attention to their real meaning.

But that's just my opinion. :) Shell and I are working on a design as a symbol of our upcoming wedding and we're both quite excited. She's a "virgin" ... no tattoos. Yet. ;)
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Interesting Calm ... I do agree that it is a form of "body mutilation" but that is not necessarily negative in my view. I love body art. I think the degree of commitment required to get a tattoo says a lot about the individual. Many people I know have tiny, hidden tattoos -- which is totally cool -- but I find it most interesting when people get tattoos that cannot be covered.

I got my first tattoo at 15 years old (yup, way back in the 70s before it was "cool"). Out of neccesity it was a small one I could hide from my parents. It started an ongoing desire in me to continue adding tattoos to my skin as important markers in my life.

Tattoos are an ideal way to start conversations with total strangers and to be give the opportunity to get to know deep truths about people that it would otherwise take years to learn. I the reasons people get their tattoos most fascinating. It's rare that someone gets inked just for the hell of it. Tattoos are deeply meaningful expressions. If you are honestly interested, people will reveal their truths if you ask.

In more than 30 years, I have regretted only one of my tattoos ... a matching tattoo I got with someone that turned out to be a bit of a psycho. I plan to have it covered. The rest of them give me a great deal of enjoyment whenever I look at them. The reason I have yet to get any on my back is that I get my tattoos for MY benefit and can't see my back. :) They are totems, of a sort ... spiritual markings that represent dreams, strengths, loves. It's like wearing a part of my psche on my outsides. It also provides me with the same kind of ritualistic reminder that Catholics find in their rosaries ... my tattoos remind me of my spiritual goals when I am feeling off centre.

I have tattoos on both arms, on my legs ... my tattoos couldn't be covered if I tried. It's been interesting in the work force, at times, but because I am completely unapologetic and entirely comfortable with my ink, even employers generally respond well. At least not a one has ever told me to cover them, even in office settings.

Actually, Calm, scarification is a very interesting form of body art. It's ancient tradition and can be quite beautiful. I love the pretty colours, tho, so haven't taken that route. I just stick with the tattoos and the piercings. :)

I think many people have a knee-jerk reaction to tattoos. Because they were once the dominion of the "bad" people, the bikers and druggies, etc., it's easy to dismiss tattoos without stopping to actually pay attention to their real meaning.

But that's just my opinion. :) Shell and I are working on a design as a symbol of our upcoming wedding and we're both quite excited. She's a "virgin" ... no tattoos. Yet. ;)
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I think tatoos are a scar .... and folks line up to get a scar!
No difference between having a scar or a tatoo. Both are rather permanent.

I think it is sort of like body multilation.

Interesting Calm ... I do agree that it is a form of "body mutilation" but that is not necessarily negative in my view. I love body art. I think the degree of commitment required to get a tattoo says a lot about the individual. Many people I know have tiny, hidden tattoos -- which is totally cool -- but I find it most interesting when people get tattoos that cannot be covered.

I got my first tattoo at 15 years old (yup, way back in the 70s before it was "cool"). Out of neccesity it was a small one I could hide from my parents. It started an ongoing desire in me to continue adding tattoos to my skin as important markers in my life.

Tattoos are an ideal way to start conversations with total strangers and to be give the opportunity to get to know deep truths about people that it would otherwise take years to learn. I the reasons people get their tattoos most fascinating. It's rare that someone gets inked just for the hell of it. Tattoos are deeply meaningful expressions. If you are honestly interested, people will reveal their truths if you ask.

In more than 30 years, I have regretted only one of my tattoos ... a matching tattoo I got with someone that turned out to be a bit of a psycho. I plan to have it covered. The rest of them give me a great deal of enjoyment whenever I look at them. The reason I have yet to get any on my back is that I get my tattoos for MY benefit and can't see my back. :) They are totems, of a sort ... spiritual markings that represent dreams, strengths, loves. It's like wearing a part of my psche on my outsides. It also provides me with the same kind of ritualistic reminder that Catholics find in their rosaries ... my tattoos remind me of my spiritual goals when I am feeling off centre.

I have tattoos on both arms, on my legs ... my tattoos couldn't be covered if I tried. It's been interesting in the work force, at times, but because I am completely unapologetic and entirely comfortable with my ink, even employers generally respond well. At least not a one has ever told me to cover them, even in office settings.

Actually, Calm, scarification is a very interesting form of body art. It's ancient tradition and can be quite beautiful. I love the pretty colours, tho, so haven't taken that route. I just stick with the tattoos and the piercings. :)

I think many people have a knee-jerk reaction to tattoos. Because they were once the dominion of the "bad" people, the bikers and druggies, etc., it's easy to dismiss tattoos without stopping to actually pay attention to their real meaning.

But that's just my opinion. :) Shell and I are working on a design as a symbol of our upcoming wedding and we're both quite excited. She's a "virgin" ... no tattoos. Yet. ;)
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Cosmos

I never look at a tatoo as an expression of art.

I know alot of people with tatoos and from way-back in the 70's too.
And yes .... every person with tatoos always has at least one that they got bored with and need or plan to cover it up.
That is exactly what I meant by scar tissue.

I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Cosmos

I never look at a tatoo as an expression of art.

I know alot of people with tatoos and from way-back in the 70's too.
And yes .... every person with tatoos always has at least one that they got bored with and need or plan to cover it up.
That is exactly what I meant by scar tissue.

I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Cosmos

I never look at a tatoo as an expression of art.

I know alot of people with tatoos and from way-back in the 70's too.
And yes .... every person with tatoos always has at least one that they got bored with and need or plan to cover it up.
That is exactly what I meant by scar tissue.

I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Calm
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Were you able to have them repaired when you were young? I had a friend with a cleft palate and because she was born in the 30s they weren't able to do a lot. Once I got used to the speach pattern, though, I never noticed it again.

I think there's a huge difference between voluntary tattoos, piercings and scarification and scars that we don't opt to have. The physical scars I carry that were not of my choosing (eg. from surgeries) are completely different psychologically than the body art I purposely apply to myself. It's apples and oranges, in my view.

So now that you have brought it up, how has your harelip/cleft palate affected your life? Growing up with any kind of impairment does shape us. Mine was not physical ... I grew up with poverty, alcoholism and abuse, but it still affected the course of my life. It is my belief that psychic scars affect us as profoundly as physical ones and no matter how many hours you log on the shrink's couch, the scars remain. Whether physical or psychological, some things are permanent. For me, it's all about how one deals with it.

Interesting topic, eh? :)
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Were you able to have them repaired when you were young? I had a friend with a cleft palate and because she was born in the 30s they weren't able to do a lot. Once I got used to the speach pattern, though, I never noticed it again.

I think there's a huge difference between voluntary tattoos, piercings and scarification and scars that we don't opt to have. The physical scars I carry that were not of my choosing (eg. from surgeries) are completely different psychologically than the body art I purposely apply to myself. It's apples and oranges, in my view.

So now that you have brought it up, how has your harelip/cleft palate affected your life? Growing up with any kind of impairment does shape us. Mine was not physical ... I grew up with poverty, alcoholism and abuse, but it still affected the course of my life. It is my belief that psychic scars affect us as profoundly as physical ones and no matter how many hours you log on the shrink's couch, the scars remain. Whether physical or psychological, some things are permanent. For me, it's all about how one deals with it.

Interesting topic, eh? :)
 

Cosmo

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
I'm not into scar tissue because I was born with a scar. A hare-lip and cleft palate.

Were you able to have them repaired when you were young? I had a friend with a cleft palate and because she was born in the 30s they weren't able to do a lot. Once I got used to the speach pattern, though, I never noticed it again.

I think there's a huge difference between voluntary tattoos, piercings and scarification and scars that we don't opt to have. The physical scars I carry that were not of my choosing (eg. from surgeries) are completely different psychologically than the body art I purposely apply to myself. It's apples and oranges, in my view.

So now that you have brought it up, how has your harelip/cleft palate affected your life? Growing up with any kind of impairment does shape us. Mine was not physical ... I grew up with poverty, alcoholism and abuse, but it still affected the course of my life. It is my belief that psychic scars affect us as profoundly as physical ones and no matter how many hours you log on the shrink's couch, the scars remain. Whether physical or psychological, some things are permanent. For me, it's all about how one deals with it.

Interesting topic, eh? :)
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hey! Cosmos

I don't have any problem with my talking. I guess I can thank my Mom for that. Everytime I was "lazy" .... my Mom used to make me wear the dish cloth right across the face.

So, I learned. I have no impediment at all.

Most people who noticed my scar just asked if I got hit in the mouth with a hockey puck.

My identical twin was born the same way. His scar is much more noticeable than mine.
Also, his son was born with the deformity as well.
We were the only identical twins born in North America with a hare-lip and cleft palate and who survived. They fed us with an eye-dropper because we could not be breast fed.
A doctor came out of retirement to do the operation in 1949 at Toronto Sick Kids.
The Ontario government paid for the doctors.
The Shriner's Club paid for all the speech therapy and stuff.
I had free tickets to every Shriner Circus that came to town.
The Kinsmen Club paid for transportation from Sudbury to Toronto for years and years.

Calm