Taking Back a Stolen Homeland - Scotland

Jonny_C

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The bid by Scottish nationalists to make Scotland an independent nation has taken a blow with just 11 months to the referendum.

The pro-independence Scottish National Party (SNP), which is the largest party in the devolved Scottish Parliament and therefore the party in power in Scotland (the Scottish parliament has just a limited range of powers), suffered a humiliating defeat in the Dunfermline by-election last night.

Labour's Cara Hilton won the contest by 2,873 votes fierce battle that saw an unexpectedly high turnout of 42.75 per cent.

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond, the leader of the SNP, was left personally humiliated after he made a last-minute appearance on doorsteps yesterday evening in a bid to pick up votes.

But Labour won 42.5 per cent of the vote, with the Scottish National Party on 30.6 per cent - a swing to Labour of 6.9 per cent.

Winning candidate Cara Hilton was even heckled and booed by SNP activists as she made her victory speech. She claimed the result sends a clear message to Mr Salmond ahead of next year’s referendum on Scottish independence.
The result leaves the SNP with just a wafer-thin majority in the Scottish Parliament.

The result also casts further doubt on Mr Salmond’s chances of winning next year’s independence referendum, with polls suggesting fewer than 30 per cent of Scots want to leave the United Kingdom.

The LibDems came third with 11.8 per cent, followed by the Tories on 8.3 per cent, UKIP on 3.8 per cent and the Greens on 2.5 per cent.

The by-election in Dunfermline was called after independent MSP Bill Walker was convicted of domestic abuse against three ex-wives and a stepdaughter. Walker had won the seat for the SNP in 2011 but was expelled from the party after the allegations against him surfaced.

Alex Salmond suffers crushing by-election defeat leaving SNP with a wafer-thin majority in Scottish Parliament


Labour wins Dunfermline by-election with majority of 2,873 over SNP
Salmond personally humiliated after making appearance on doorsteps
Defeat comes ahead of Scottish independence referendum next year

By Alan Roden




Defeat: SNP leader and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has seen his majority in the Scottish Parliament cut to just two, dealing a blow to his hopes of Scottish independence. Polls are also suggesting fewer than 30 per cent of Scots want to leave the United Kingdom.

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has suffered a crushing by-election defeat that leaves the SNP with a wafer-thin majority in the Scottish Parliament.

Labour won the contest in Dunfermline, Fife, by 2,873 votes after a fierce battle that saw an unexpectedly high turnout of 42.75 per cent.

Mr Salmond was left personally humiliated after he made a last-minute appearance on doorsteps yesterday evening in a bid to pick up votes.

But Labour won 42.5 per cent of the vote, with the Scottish National Party on 30.6 per cent - a swing to Labour of 6.9 per cent.

Winning candidate Cara Hilton was heckled and booed by SNP activists as she made her victory speech. She claimed the result sends a clear message to Mr Salmond ahead of next year’s referendum on Scottish independence.

The LibDems came third with 11.8 per cent, followed by the Tories on 8.3 per cent, UKIP on 3.8 per cent and the Greens on 2.5 per cent.

Dunfermline was a former LibDem stronghold, but fell to Mr Salmond’s SNP in his 2011 Scottish Parliament election landslide.

Labour’s victory is a significant boost for the party’s Scottish leader, Johann Lamont, and throws the next Holyrood elections in 2016 wide open.

It is the first time a seat has changed hands in a Scottish Parliament by-election for 13 years.

It comes just months after the SNP’s majority in a by-election in Aberdeen Donside was slashed and only weeks after Labour trounced their main opponents north of the Border in a council by-election in Glasgow’s Govan ward.

The result also casts further doubt on Mr Salmond’s chances of winning next year’s independence referendum, with polls suggesting fewer than 30 per cent of Scots want to leave the United Kingdom.


Winner: Labour's Cara Hilton, pictured with Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls, secured a majority of 2,873 in the Dunfermline by-election

The by-election was held following the resignation of disgraced wife-beater Bill Walker, who had been kicked out of the SNP. Earlier this year he was found guilty of 23 counts of domestic abuse against three former wives and a stepdaughter.

Labour’s victory leaves Mr Salmond with a slender parliamentary majority of just two. He now has 65 MSPs - down from 69 in 2011 - with the combined opposition forces on 63.

Miss Hilton said: 'The people of Dunfermline have rejected Scotland being put on pause for another year.

'The government of Scotland has been suspended so that a referendum campaign can be won.

'We need a Scottish Government that will address the needs of Scots, not one that will simply make promises about what will happen after [independence].

'Dunfermline has sent a message to Alex Salmond: it's time for you to focus on the real priorities of Scots, not your constitutional obsession.
'Use the powers you have now to make a difference, not just argue for more in the future.'


Count: The contest in Dunfermline was dominated by a local row over Labour-run Fife Council's plan to close primary schools


Surprise: Labour's victory throws the next Holyrood elections in 2016 wide open



It certainly looks like the separatists have an uphill climb, which is probably a good thing.

But I guess there will always be a relatively strong minority who want independence, just like we have in Quebec (to a more serious degree, I think), and the idea will always float around out there.
 

Nuggler

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Aw heck, I forgot to point this out to ol'Blackie:::


It's Wales.........not Whales.

And Lizzie and Sir Snot Jaw a.k.a The Duke of Edinboroughouououthehwot. don't own it.
 

The Old Medic

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It never ceases to amaze me how a thread like this can deteriorate into another Pro - Anti Monarchy feud.

Scotland became a part of Great Britain, because it's ruling classes totally controlled the Scots Parliament. Most of them owned extensive lands in England, and held titles there. They pushed the Parliament to join England, and it was done, against the will of the "common" people.

The "Clearances" were done to force the common people, who resisted the English and fought for "Bonnie Prince Charlie" off the land and out of the country.

My own family was able to hold on, until the turn of the 19th century, when their landlord came in a razed their homes. They emigrated to Nova Scotia, but NEVER lost their love for Scotland. We are of "Clan Stewart of Athol", and we always will be.
 

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Aw heck, I forgot to point this out to ol'Blackie:::


It's Wales.........not Whales.

And Lizzie and Sir Snot Jaw a.k.a The Duke of Edinboroughouououthehwot. don't own it.

The word "Wales" comes from the Old English (Anglo-Saxon) world "Walh" which means "foreigner".

When the Anglo-Saxons (the English) came over to Britain from what is now northern Germany and southern Denmark, they saw each of the Celtic peoples of Britain as a "walh", a "foreigner". That eventually became the English name for the Celtic territory in western Britain which was formed when the Anglo-Saxons pushed many of the Celtic peoples to the far western and northernmost extremities of the island (giving Wales and Scotland with the Germanic rump becoming England).

"Walh" in turn comes from "Walhaz". This is a reconstructed Proto-Germanic word, meaning "foreigner", "stranger", "Roman", "Romance-speaker", or "Celtic-speaker". The term was used by all the ancient Germanic peoples (of which the Anglo-Saxons, the ancestors of the English, were part) to describe ALL the inhabitants of the former Roman Empire (most of the Germanic peoples of Northern Europe, including the Anglo-Saxons, were never part of the Roman Empire), who were largely romanised and spoke Latin or Celtic languages.

The same word which gave us the English "Wales" and "Welsh" also gave us similar words in other Germanic languages, as evidenced in geographic names such as Walchgau and Walchensee in Bavaria, Germany. These also derive from words which the Germanic peoples of the area called their Celtic neighbours.

The Welsh word for Wales is "Cymru", which is pronounced "Cumree"; the Welsh for "The Welsh" is "Y Cymry"and Welsh (the language) is Cymro.
 
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