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It will be interesting to see if a 'cease-fire' can be arranged and some sort of 'mediation/grievance' process once basic services to the people have been established. That wasn't on NATO's agenda for Libya, ........ or Iraq, well you know the list by now. A new list is emerging the GCC didn't get the report it was 'hoping for'
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The Arab League's Ministerial Committee had approved the report, with four votes in favor (Algeria, Egypt, Sudan and GCC member Oman) and only one against; guess who, Qatar - which is now presiding the Arab League because the emirate bought their (rotating) turn from the Palestinian Authority.
So the report was either ignored (by Western corporate media) or mercilessly destroyed - by Arab media, virtually all of it financed by either the House of Saud or Qatar. It was not even discussed - because it was prevented by the GCC from being translated from Arabic into English and published in the Arab League's website.
Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full.
The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html
With more and more cameras around video should be the witness in a lot of investigations so the witness list can be huge but the 'entire vid' of 20 witnesses' could be viewed by the Court in one day(and available to the general public in the Court archives). That sort of justice for 'the Public' should be provided in this day and age on the international scene because those events tend to be the most expensive to the world's population. (a part 'they' may not want you to look at)
The General Public can live quite nicely with a Democracy, a Dictatorship, or a Monarchy if the ones in power and their helpers have an ambition of being 'fair' to the ones in lower power or whatever you want to call 'the flock'
(in part)
The Arab League's Ministerial Committee had approved the report, with four votes in favor (Algeria, Egypt, Sudan and GCC member Oman) and only one against; guess who, Qatar - which is now presiding the Arab League because the emirate bought their (rotating) turn from the Palestinian Authority.
So the report was either ignored (by Western corporate media) or mercilessly destroyed - by Arab media, virtually all of it financed by either the House of Saud or Qatar. It was not even discussed - because it was prevented by the GCC from being translated from Arabic into English and published in the Arab League's website.
Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full.
The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html
With more and more cameras around video should be the witness in a lot of investigations so the witness list can be huge but the 'entire vid' of 20 witnesses' could be viewed by the Court in one day(and available to the general public in the Court archives). That sort of justice for 'the Public' should be provided in this day and age on the international scene because those events tend to be the most expensive to the world's population. (a part 'they' may not want you to look at)
The General Public can live quite nicely with a Democracy, a Dictatorship, or a Monarchy if the ones in power and their helpers have an ambition of being 'fair' to the ones in lower power or whatever you want to call 'the flock'
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'Friends of Syria' Ready Ultimatum for Assad - TIME
LONDON) — The United States, European and Arab nations are set deliver a stern warning to Syrian President Bashar Assad that he must agree to an immediate cease-fire and allow humanitarian aid into areas hardest hit by his regime's brutal crackdown on opponents or face as-yet unspecified punishments and an increasingly emboldened and powerful armed resistance.
On the eve of a major international conference on Syria in Tunisia, U.S., European and Arab officials worked out details of the demands in London on Thursday as the former United Nations chief, Kofi Annan, was named to be a joint U.N.-Arab League envoy to deal with the crisis.
(PHOTOS: The Syrian Civil War: Photographs by Alessio Romenzi)
Russia and China, foes of any foreign intervention in Syria, reiterated their opposition to an international resolution.
Both nations say they support a "speedy end" to the violence, but they have vetoed two U.N. Security Council resolutions backing Arab League plans aimed at ending the conflict and condemning Assad's crackdown.
Alexei Pushkov, a Russian lawmaker, said Friday after meeting Assad that the Syrian president sounded confident and demonstrated no sign he would he step aside. Pushkov warned that arming the Syrian opposition would fuel civil war.
Diplomats said the "Friends of Syria" group meeting in Tunis on Friday would demand Assad's compliance. They said that failure on his part would result in tougher sanctions and predicted that his opponents would grow stronger unless he accedes and accepts a political transition that would see him leave power.
If Assad doesn't comply, "we think that the pressure will continue to build. ... I think that the strategy followed by the Syrians and their allies is one that can't stand the test of legitimacy ... for any length of time," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters in London after meeting about a dozen of her foreign minister colleagues to prepare for the Tunis event.
LONDON) — The United States, European and Arab nations are set deliver a stern warning to Syrian President Bashar Assad that he must agree to an immediate cease-fire and allow humanitarian aid into areas hardest hit by his regime's brutal crackdown on opponents or face as-yet unspecified punishments and an increasingly emboldened and powerful armed resistance.
On the eve of a major international conference on Syria in Tunisia, U.S., European and Arab officials worked out details of the demands in London on Thursday as the former United Nations chief, Kofi Annan, was named to be a joint U.N.-Arab League envoy to deal with the crisis.
(PHOTOS: The Syrian Civil War: Photographs by Alessio Romenzi)
Russia and China, foes of any foreign intervention in Syria, reiterated their opposition to an international resolution.
Both nations say they support a "speedy end" to the violence, but they have vetoed two U.N. Security Council resolutions backing Arab League plans aimed at ending the conflict and condemning Assad's crackdown.
Alexei Pushkov, a Russian lawmaker, said Friday after meeting Assad that the Syrian president sounded confident and demonstrated no sign he would he step aside. Pushkov warned that arming the Syrian opposition would fuel civil war.
Diplomats said the "Friends of Syria" group meeting in Tunis on Friday would demand Assad's compliance. They said that failure on his part would result in tougher sanctions and predicted that his opponents would grow stronger unless he accedes and accepts a political transition that would see him leave power.
If Assad doesn't comply, "we think that the pressure will continue to build. ... I think that the strategy followed by the Syrians and their allies is one that can't stand the test of legitimacy ... for any length of time," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters in London after meeting about a dozen of her foreign minister colleagues to prepare for the Tunis event.
If a Nation was fully sovereign before hostilities broke out and not fully after the hostilities ended then that has to be resoloved first. Internal battles are decided by the majority when left alone. In times of civil war the citizens are the decider. When outside interests start 'helping' the revolution is for foreign interests, once those are in place the 'cease fire ' begins once they are fully gone and it is back to being just Syrian citizens. When a government is exiled the citizens should then be the deciders, any adult who is familiar with an issue gets to vote on it, rather than election style voting on a bill. That is how Iceland started to rebuild once the ruking gov was 'fired' and they made a very nice recovery an are free of debt to any banks. That being said getting all the spies and mercs before the weapons are unloaded would be totally mandatory.
The Military was allowed to rule in Egypt, in this case the Military that has ties with Russia already rather than the newly arrived rebels who would be loyal to their employers, the West. It was the government opposition that laid down their weapons.
Getting all the interviews on tape real early would sure help in the court cases that should follow. In theory if you get the right bad guys nobody is quick to repeat the crime.
Getting all the interviews on tape real early would sure help in the court cases that should follow. In theory if you get the right bad guys nobody is quick to repeat the crime.
Change the wording some and I would agree. "Everything promoted by the West is a conspiracy to remove Assad."
I'm not saying big changes can be achieved without some bloodshed but when the opposition starts getting advice from the French version of the CIA and it includes attacking the police/fire/military organizations then use the retaliation as being the initial aggressive act in the news that is fed to the West's general public as being the truth. then that has to be moped up first and that means the existing Military is the security of the nation.
I'm not saying big changes can be achieved without some bloodshed but when the opposition starts getting advice from the French version of the CIA and it includes attacking the police/fire/military organizations then use the retaliation as being the initial aggressive act in the news that is fed to the West's general public as being the truth. then that has to be moped up first and that means the existing Military is the security of the nation.
Look to Iraq.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/02/24/syria-un-friday.html
Syrian forces have killed more than 100 people in the central area of the country, including the city of Homs, where the Red Cross has begun removing injured women and children.
The Local Coordincation Committees said civilians were killed in the continued bombardment of Homs and in attacks on the countryside of Hama and the east and north of the country on Friday.
Red Cross teams in Homs are still negotiating with rebels and government forces to remove all the wounded from Homs, including two journalists.
Since Friday afternoon, the Red Cross and the Syrian Arab Red Crescent have been in Baba Amr, the neighbourhood in Homs that has become the centre of the Syrian revolt, agency officials say.
Syrian Canadians
Dr. Ahmed Chaker, a member of the Syrian National Council and co-founder of the Syrian Canadian Council, told CBC News that the Canadian government's response to the atrocities in Syria has been "very weak up to now."
"We are expecting Canada to do much more [to push] for a humanitarian mission, for a medical mission … through the UN, through any way. We need Canada to do something today."
Chaker added any humanitarian mission should involve "safe corridors" supported by planes and ships.
French journalists Edith Bouvier and William Daniels have asked for help leaving embattled Homs after Bouvier was wounded in shelling Wednesday that killed U.S.-born veteran war correspondent Marie Colvin and French photographer Remi Ochlik.
The Red Cross called the removal of the women and children a "first step forward."
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Remember how Syrian was falsely blamed as having taken part in an international assassination and it turned out to be a lie, by the US and some cronies. Lot of good it did 5 years later. It would be like you finding out Pearl Harbor didn't happen the way the books say it did.
This is a very troubled place and we do not need to bring down another dictator to replace him
with something worse. Egypt is a prime example. We got rid of Mubarak and now we have the
Islamic Brotherhood that is about to introduce a fundamentalist regime in that country before the
dust settles.
We got rid of Saddam in Iraq and what we have now is worse and will get worse, as it slides into
the Iranian orbit. Afghanistan is a nation that we rid the place of the Taliban and that was a good
thing. The problem is we have not liberated the entire country and the government there is now
is more corrupt than any government before it. The afghan mission has also destabilized the
nation of Pakistan.
In North Africa there is some hope, not much but some and in North East Africa we have now
replaced corrupt governments with pirates what a refreshing change that is eh?
In Syria we have had a stable government although a dictatorship. This is a government not
friendly with Iran, and the population has enjoyed a reasonable amount of secularism rather than
Islamic dictates. Now of course the Islamic Brotherhood is at work doing what they did in Egypt
and soon we will see any hope of democracy become a distant memory. If we continue to support
the forces at work in the Middle East we are setting ourselves up for a massive conflict withing
a decade.
I say no do not support a new Devil deal with the one you have at present, This situation is not
about oil its about the balance of power in the region and we dare not turn that over to religious
fundamentalist Muslims. In the west we are about to be confronted with another group of
religious fundamentalist Christians storming the White House. In my opinion fundamentalists be
they Muslim or Christian or anything else they are a dangerous mix for a democracy.
I say wait this out and do not take sides its a civil war and civil wars need to come to conclusive
ends within the boarders of a nation.
with something worse. Egypt is a prime example. We got rid of Mubarak and now we have the
Islamic Brotherhood that is about to introduce a fundamentalist regime in that country before the
dust settles.
We got rid of Saddam in Iraq and what we have now is worse and will get worse, as it slides into
the Iranian orbit. Afghanistan is a nation that we rid the place of the Taliban and that was a good
thing. The problem is we have not liberated the entire country and the government there is now
is more corrupt than any government before it. The afghan mission has also destabilized the
nation of Pakistan.
In North Africa there is some hope, not much but some and in North East Africa we have now
replaced corrupt governments with pirates what a refreshing change that is eh?
In Syria we have had a stable government although a dictatorship. This is a government not
friendly with Iran, and the population has enjoyed a reasonable amount of secularism rather than
Islamic dictates. Now of course the Islamic Brotherhood is at work doing what they did in Egypt
and soon we will see any hope of democracy become a distant memory. If we continue to support
the forces at work in the Middle East we are setting ourselves up for a massive conflict withing
a decade.
I say no do not support a new Devil deal with the one you have at present, This situation is not
about oil its about the balance of power in the region and we dare not turn that over to religious
fundamentalist Muslims. In the west we are about to be confronted with another group of
religious fundamentalist Christians storming the White House. In my opinion fundamentalists be
they Muslim or Christian or anything else they are a dangerous mix for a democracy.
I say wait this out and do not take sides its a civil war and civil wars need to come to conclusive
ends within the boarders of a nation.
The people of Lebanon are the ones who hired them. Before being elected they were an opposition part supported by a minority of the people, I don't recall any pleas from the world to arm them with the means to start a bloody revolt.
The government can buy weapons from anybody they wish. Smalls arms are what compared to S-300 air defense systems, you willing to try and tell Russia (or China) who they can support after they have made contracts, ones that are backed up unlike the omes the West makes in terms of international agreements.
That is Syria's situation. Lebanon isn't in danger of attack they get visits fro US aircraft carries and no shell fly so it must be a friendly visit.
That is Syria's situation. Lebanon isn't in danger of attack they get visits fro US aircraft carries and no shell fly so it must be a friendly visit.
If there wasn't news I wouldn't bump this, but too bad you-tube doesn't get some 'last minute confessions' of better yet from the French soldiers knowing they were caught behind enemy lines while out of uniform. "they shoot spies don't they?" is not just a movie. To set yourself up for military execution must mean they would rather have that than being a prisoner under the label that applies to those in GITMO.
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During the assault on the rebel stronghold in the Homs district of Bab Amr, the Syrian army took more than 1,500 prisoners, mostly foreigners. Of these, a dozen French nationals requested the status of prisoner of war, refusing to give their identity, rank and unit of assignment. One of them is a Colonel working for the DGSE transmission service.
In the absence of an obligation stipulated in the relevant treaties, the secret war led by President Sarkozy and his government constitutes an unprecedented act under the Fifth Republic. It violates Article 35 of the Constitution and amounts to a crime punishable by the High Court (Article 68).
France's secret war against the Syrian people [Voltaire Network]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzS53BwlVQ&feature=player_embedded
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During the assault on the rebel stronghold in the Homs district of Bab Amr, the Syrian army took more than 1,500 prisoners, mostly foreigners. Of these, a dozen French nationals requested the status of prisoner of war, refusing to give their identity, rank and unit of assignment. One of them is a Colonel working for the DGSE transmission service.
In the absence of an obligation stipulated in the relevant treaties, the secret war led by President Sarkozy and his government constitutes an unprecedented act under the Fifth Republic. It violates Article 35 of the Constitution and amounts to a crime punishable by the High Court (Article 68).
France's secret war against the Syrian people [Voltaire Network]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzS53BwlVQ&feature=player_embedded
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Still odder is that FOXNBCMNS haven't put out any government inspired headlines claiming how false the report is.
After all they did post an article that covered the country in high detail as to the causalities. Other reports, be glad to give you the links, say that inside reports from Syria say no big violent demonstrations are going on in the stated neighborhoods. Video is a solid witness is it not (once it is verified and the individual identified)?
Not so odd that Syria is quiet if negotiations are underway with the French. Think how it will look if they have been missing long enough that the French should have reported them missing if they were 'innocent people'. Would you not not lose a lot of your leverage in behind closed doors negotiations if you blabbed to the news that you even had them in that they were in civilian clothes and on tape doing spy type stuff.
If some Iranians from out of town were 'captured' and recorded then I' sure Syria has the same capabilities. Egypt just did a sweep of the NGO's and neted a dozen fish, not surprising you would find 100 times that in Syria in the ramp up to war. Somehow I don't see this going the same way as it did in libya if it starts out this badly. The first mark of success for NATO in Libya was to send in some spies and make contact with the opposition, enough so they were shown a weapons cache and , surprise, surprise it blows up a few days later.
Lets not forget the classic of this century, send in a 'camera crew' to assassinate the leader of the opposition so somebody friendly to the CIA is in charge. Or did you forget who the allies are in Afghanistan and how they were recruited?
After all they did post an article that covered the country in high detail as to the causalities. Other reports, be glad to give you the links, say that inside reports from Syria say no big violent demonstrations are going on in the stated neighborhoods. Video is a solid witness is it not (once it is verified and the individual identified)?
Not so odd that Syria is quiet if negotiations are underway with the French. Think how it will look if they have been missing long enough that the French should have reported them missing if they were 'innocent people'. Would you not not lose a lot of your leverage in behind closed doors negotiations if you blabbed to the news that you even had them in that they were in civilian clothes and on tape doing spy type stuff.
If some Iranians from out of town were 'captured' and recorded then I' sure Syria has the same capabilities. Egypt just did a sweep of the NGO's and neted a dozen fish, not surprising you would find 100 times that in Syria in the ramp up to war. Somehow I don't see this going the same way as it did in libya if it starts out this badly. The first mark of success for NATO in Libya was to send in some spies and make contact with the opposition, enough so they were shown a weapons cache and , surprise, surprise it blows up a few days later.
Lets not forget the classic of this century, send in a 'camera crew' to assassinate the leader of the opposition so somebody friendly to the CIA is in charge. Or did you forget who the allies are in Afghanistan and how they were recruited?
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