If Harper were a smarter man, he would have had nothing to say about Mulroney,and even less to do with him. We have long memories 
Svend making a comeback?
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You boys have selective memories that convienatly leave out the Liberals. The Liberals are more corrupt and waste money more than the old PC's did, but the problems with this country go far beyond that and the Liberals consistantly show no leadership.
Instead of launching personal attacks against those "evil"
neocons why don't you start talking about how to improve things in this country. By the way ....there more of us "evil" neocons in BC and Alberta than there are lefties I just wished some of them would come here to give me backup. And don't tell me I've got Hank cause he sometimes provides you guys with to much ammunition.
Instead of launching personal attacks against those "evil"
neocons why don't you start talking about how to improve things in this country. By the way ....there more of us "evil" neocons in BC and Alberta than there are lefties I just wished some of them would come here to give me backup. And don't tell me I've got Hank cause he sometimes provides you guys with to much ammunition.
Nah, I go after them too. You just notice when we go after your boys.
Actually the Liberals have a better record when it comes to corruption, though not much, and a far better fiscal record than the PCs had. There is nothing to indicate that the Conservatives would show any more leadership than the Liberals have. Once you take away the regressive social policies of the Conservatives, the only real difference between Harper's CPC and Martin's LPC is the brand of kneepads they prefer when kneeling in front of George Bush.
We are talking about that. The first step is to move away from neo-conservative/neo-liberal policies.
Typical neocon :roll: Why don't you take your own advise?? novel idea for a neocon eh??
All you cons do is come and re-rash the same sick platform you always have, homosexuals, abortion, mud slinging. Its the reason why you and your ilk have destroyed the conservative party. Nutters! you and your little group gettin together talking to the ceiling 8O
But like who cares, your no different than the lady with the bag on her head talking to parked cars. She's okay, thats her thing, and she is not trying to shove it down other peoples throats. Keep your crippling psychology in your own head.
All you cons do is come and re-rash the same sick platform you always have, homosexuals, abortion, mud slinging. Its the reason why you and your ilk have destroyed the conservative party. Nutters! you and your little group gettin together talking to the ceiling 8O
But like who cares, your no different than the lady with the bag on her head talking to parked cars. She's okay, thats her thing, and she is not trying to shove it down other peoples throats. Keep your crippling psychology in your own head.
Actually a lot of people give Brian Mulroney credit for destroying the progressive conservative party so don't blame me. Peapod ....why do you get so upset when I want to talk about dealing with the problems in this country rather than the constant name calling and mud slinging that your doing ?
Do you consider fixing our military as sick ? how about making our health care system more efficent and responsive or improving the so-called democratic system in this country or our justice system....are those all sick ideas too ?
I don't know where you come from but a lot of people from the west have been pushing for these things for years and all you do is spew hatred at them.
Do you consider fixing our military as sick ? how about making our health care system more efficent and responsive or improving the so-called democratic system in this country or our justice system....are those all sick ideas too ?
I don't know where you come from but a lot of people from the west have been pushing for these things for years and all you do is spew hatred at them.
The conservatives may have a hundred good ideas, but it just takes one anti-human rights *idea* to make us call them sick.
If you tell me who I can or can't marry, or
if you tell me immigrants are ruining this country, etc...
When you say those things I don't care what economic policies you have....you're *done* in my mind....
If you tell me who I can or can't marry, or
if you tell me immigrants are ruining this country, etc...
When you say those things I don't care what economic policies you have....you're *done* in my mind....
It's not about who you can or can not marry, marriage was intended for the union of a man and a woman and now a very small part of the population wants to change that that for the majority. Gay rights are fully protected in this country to the extreme...just look at Svend
So don't give me this crap about racism. What is sick is wanting to keep marriage for what it is meant for and then getting accused of being racist.
We are ALL imigrants in this country and those that come here to become CANADIAN and to work hard to pursue a dream for a better life are what made this country great. My company is part of a government program that sponsers skilled imigrants that bring valueable skills and want to move to Canada. This is there dream come true as it has been for others for over a hundred years.
So don't give me this crap about racism. What is sick is wanting to keep marriage for what it is meant for and then getting accused of being racist.
We are ALL imigrants in this country and those that come here to become CANADIAN and to work hard to pursue a dream for a better life are what made this country great. My company is part of a government program that sponsers skilled imigrants that bring valueable skills and want to move to Canada. This is there dream come true as it has been for others for over a hundred years.
Same old same old :roll: :roll: Now correct me if I am wrong! This issue is over! the laws of this land say different. Fuggettaboutit and move into some actual politics, instead of the usual crap againist a small miniority of people. Btw...just wondering here, but did ralph buy you your bus ticket to British Columbia
We give Mulroney credit for that. He didn't do it alone, Manning played a strong hand and so did people like Harper. If you were old enough to vote for Mulroney, so did you. Most conservatives of Mulroney's day voted for him, even if they deny it now.
Both the Liberals and the NDP, not to mention the CAP, the Greens, and even the Marijuana Party, have plans for fixing out military. Everybody but the Conservatives have plans that include more multi-lateralism and less integration with US forces though, with more emphasis on peace-keeping.
Don't try to claim that the Conservatives are the only ones that want to fix the military, it isn't true. Don't claim they have the best plan either, because most Canadians do not agree with that plan.
Again, every party has that in their platform. Trying to claim it as a Conservative initiative is disingenuous.
The NDP plan is based on the Romanow Report. That report was put together by going out and talking to Canadians, including medical professionals, patients, and average citizens. The Conservatives have tried to ignore and denigrate the Romanow Report because it doesn't fit into their plan of supplying corporate profits to their buddies, but most Canadians really don't want an Americanised system.
Where the hell were the Conservatives on the proportional representation issue? They ran away from it like scared little bunnies because they get more seats than the popular vote would indicate they should.
Don't give me the EEE Senate nonsense either. It's really just a copy of the American system and we've seen how badly it has failed there. We have no need for more graft and corruption, thanks.
Also keep in mind that your boy Harper went to court to try to preserve corporate donations to political parties. That's right, he sued the government in an attempt to give his corporate pals even more influence than they already have. Corporate money in politics is inherently undemocratic, how come your leader wanted so badly to have it?
Most people on this board come from the west. We've been listening to your ideas since the beginning. A lot of us have been rejecting those ideas since you first started spouting them over 20 years ago. Now we not only reject them, but wish you'd learn to whistle a new tune as well.
Your still hung up on free bus tickets ?
No peapod, I like working for a living....those free bus tickets were for people that don't want to work and explain to me exactly which minorities I've been attacking ? it's not the gays or anybody else....well maybe the lefties but sometimes they deserve it
No peapod, I like working for a living....those free bus tickets were for people that don't want to work and explain to me exactly which minorities I've been attacking ? it's not the gays or anybody else....well maybe the lefties but sometimes they deserve it
I will not change the views I have because I believe the status qou in this country is not working. By doing what we always have done does not fix things.
The Romanow report said what everybody knew it was going to say .....spend more money, stick to the sacred Canada health act. With that kind of attitude the health care system will eventually collapse and then we will be forced to go to an American style system.
You of all people reverend know that I do not support an American style health system or our military relying more on the US military . So why would you even say that ?
Giving our military heavy lift and amphibious capability is central to us not needing anybody else including the US when we want to send our troops somewhere. Why would you not be in favour of that ?
The Romanow report said what everybody knew it was going to say .....spend more money, stick to the sacred Canada health act. With that kind of attitude the health care system will eventually collapse and then we will be forced to go to an American style system.
You of all people reverend know that I do not support an American style health system or our military relying more on the US military . So why would you even say that ?
Giving our military heavy lift and amphibious capability is central to us not needing anybody else including the US when we want to send our troops somewhere. Why would you not be in favour of that ?
Actually it includes a lot more than that, including cost-saving measures. You should read it one day instead of relying on the lies put forth by the Western Standard, the Harperites, and the bozos at the Fraser Institute.
You are also ignoring that health care was underfunded in this country in an attempt to force privatisation on us. The thing is that private plans cost more per person than public plans do. You are advocating that Canadians pay more for treatment and those with less money have less access to care. That is completely unacceptable. It also silly...you are willing to pay more because of your ideology.
Nobody said the status quo was working. Your views are really for maintaining the status quo or making things worse though.
Now how would I know that, Gary? Do I know you by a different name perhaps?
More importantly, if you say you don't support those things then why are supporting a party that does support those things?
Now why would you take part of a platform to which viable alternatives have been offer by the other parties, and ignore the rest of the CPC military position? You didn't mention that Harper wanted to go to Iraq. You didn't mention that he wants to do more with NATO, which is US-controlled, and less with the UN. You didn't mention that he wants to join BMD. You didn't mention that he wants increased integration with US forces. You didn't mention that he supports US forces being able to operate on Canadian soil on their own initiative. You didn't mention that he supports the US "war on drugs", a war that includes having US (and Canadian if Harper gets his way) troops guard oil pipelines in South America.
More Blat! Blat! Blat! I think nightbutterfly sums it up pretty much. Perhaps a twelve step program or treatment centre is in order for the new mental illness of "neocon"
. no sense of responsibility
2. no sense of remorse
3. thinks he is cool because he does not fit in society
4. deep rage temper tantrums
5. fascination with guns
6. frustration that he did not have more children, wanting more children at age 46
7. paranoia thinking the government is doing things to him
8. mentality of a child, unable to think or act for himself without another person helping
9. addictive personality disorder
10. avoidance disorder-fails to act, work or do things
11. possible ADD inability to finish college
12. lying, omission of facts, pretending to have other personalities, intentional to decieve
13. no sense of privacy, thinking other peoples affairs and private relationships are his business, thinking that he has to stop people from writing things about the bible that "are not accurate scripture sense," no sense of family privacy, no limits, no boundaies,sending outside people harass his own family members, visiting people who are unmarried and living together to tell them they are in sin, coaxing a woman to go in front of a group to admit she had an abortion
There is no cure for a neocon right now. Psychology people need to set up rehab clinic for neocons. The current method of dealing with neocon family members is to tell relatives to set limits, to fight back, to refuse to talk to any of their loon neocon relatives or friends, to also accept that the person is a neocon loon and will go on like this forever. The neocon actually cycles, actually repeats same things over and over, as part of the addictive personality, so you see them do the same weird shit over and over.
Perhaps a twelve step program or treatment centre is in order for the new mental illness of "neocon". no sense of responsibility
2. no sense of remorse
3. thinks he is cool because he does not fit in society
4. deep rage temper tantrums
5. fascination with guns
6. frustration that he did not have more children, wanting more children at age 46
7. paranoia thinking the government is doing things to him
8. mentality of a child, unable to think or act for himself without another person helping
9. addictive personality disorder
10. avoidance disorder-fails to act, work or do things
11. possible ADD inability to finish college
12. lying, omission of facts, pretending to have other personalities, intentional to decieve
13. no sense of privacy, thinking other peoples affairs and private relationships are his business, thinking that he has to stop people from writing things about the bible that "are not accurate scripture sense," no sense of family privacy, no limits, no boundaies,sending outside people harass his own family members, visiting people who are unmarried and living together to tell them they are in sin, coaxing a woman to go in front of a group to admit she had an abortion
There is no cure for a neocon right now. Psychology people need to set up rehab clinic for neocons. The current method of dealing with neocon family members is to tell relatives to set limits, to fight back, to refuse to talk to any of their loon neocon relatives or friends, to also accept that the person is a neocon loon and will go on like this forever. The neocon actually cycles, actually repeats same things over and over, as part of the addictive personality, so you see them do the same weird shit over and over.
Your sure putting a lot of words in my mouth reverend
The fact is you don't even care what any conservative or right of center person is going to say because you will always fall back on that " American agenda ". I don't care that you believe this and it's pointless to convince you otherwise, there are a lot of things the US does very well and they have nothing to do with George Bush or his " agenda".
Some sort of combination of private and public health care delivery funded by the government would probably give us the health care system we all would like.
Maybe look at good examples from around world ? perhaps from Europe ?
I can't believe how narrow minded and ideologicaly driven some of you are, Man........this is just like the house of commons
The fact is you don't even care what any conservative or right of center person is going to say because you will always fall back on that " American agenda ". I don't care that you believe this and it's pointless to convince you otherwise, there are a lot of things the US does very well and they have nothing to do with George Bush or his " agenda".
Some sort of combination of private and public health care delivery funded by the government would probably give us the health care system we all would like.
Maybe look at good examples from around world ? perhaps from Europe ?
I can't believe how narrow minded and ideologicaly driven some of you are, Man........this is just like the house of commons
Re: RE: Svend making a comeback?
:lol:.....Without the Banging of the shoes on the table.
I'd get into trouble if I did that at work here..
Gary said:
:lol:.....Without the Banging of the shoes on the table.
I'd get into trouble if I did that at work here..
You know something, talking on here is'nt going to accomplish anything. Some of you are here and here for one thing only....attack people with a conservative point of view. Does'nt matter if there wrong or right there still the enemy.
I'm moderate on many of my right wing views and have even agreed with you guys on some things but this is ridicules !
When BC and Alberta vote more than 50% to seperate from Canada and that day may come soon I'll probably be one of them. And when your wondering why ? all you have to do is look here.
I'm moderate on many of my right wing views and have even agreed with you guys on some things but this is ridicules !
When BC and Alberta vote more than 50% to seperate from Canada and that day may come soon I'll probably be one of them. And when your wondering why ? all you have to do is look here.
I didn't put anything in your mouth.
So come up with some non-American ideas.
There are, or at least there were. Unfortunately the corporatists and conservatives that have been in control of the US since Reagan, and arguably since Nixon, have relegated those things to the historic trash bin.
As soon as we open health care up like that, we can be forced to adopt what is basically an American style system under NAFTA. Health care becomes a commodity as soon as you allow for profit providers in. As soon as it's a commodity, the big American providers and insurance companies will want in and they'll have grounds for a NAFTA suit.
Us? You are the one who said, "I will not change the views I have because I believe the status qou in this country is not working." You are also the one who wants to pay more for health care because you prefer your ideology to the facts.
See what I mean 8O its like watching your wash spining round and round. The only conserative at this board is MMM mike, notice I said conservative, not neocon.
Ya know if you support bush in his war, than why don't you get off your ass and go to Iraq and trade places with some boy that might like to come home.
Ya know if you support bush in his war, than why don't you get off your ass and go to Iraq and trade places with some boy that might like to come home.
I tell you guys over and over that that I DO NOT support the war in Iraq , that I do support a PUBLICLY funded health care system...only better, That I WANT our armed forces to be able to operate idependant of ANY other country and so on. What part of this do you not Understand ? reverend and peapod is the only color you see red ? Do you only get up on the left side of the bed ?
Why don't you two just come up with a standard knee jerk response every time that conservative warning light goes off in your small and limited minds ?
Why don't you two just come up with a standard knee jerk response every time that conservative warning light goes off in your small and limited minds ?
peapod said:
Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread? No one is talking about Iraq here. Your constant attempts to label people as neocons are pretty lame.