supporting our troops??

[Jersay]

Nope, i think I am happy where i am. :wink:

 

[Jay]

Don't worry Jersay, we all make mistakes! (well except me, but you get the idea)

 

[Jersay]

Don't worry Jersay, we all make mistakes! (well except me, but you get the idea)

:wink:

 

[aeon]

Thinking that our troops are following orders and defend our right to freedom of speech, is completly ridicoulus, that is exactly what governement want you to think.they are there for coorporations interest period.

Considering that I am a soldier, and I hate corporations, don't even try to put me or any of my fellow soldiers in to the section that they are following corpoation orders. Because maybe at the political level it has something to do with corporation, maybe, but a any soldier would they do it for their own reasons.

I do it to help people. So I don't think that is a corporation kind of mentality.

Besides if we work for corporations,maybe next time a natural disaster occurs, we wouldn't come to help.

That is probably the only thing that the army is good for, to help people when a disasters occurs.

help people where?? in haiti?? where we have helped to crashed down an elected leaders (aristide), kill protesters during protest, that is what you called helping peoples??

in afganisthan?? what are we doing there?? there is no democracy in afganisthan, alquada are still there and well and in pakistan too, us left not much troops there , they let to the united nations, thinking the world will be stupid enough to think saddam hussein was dangerous.

We are in afganisthan to help cooporation to build a pipeline to reach and provide oil to china, otherwise the americans would have really killed the supposed real guilty of 9-11, since no evidence shows alquada was behind 9-11, and all this non sense about the war in iraq and oussama bin laden, the only conclusion that is logical, 9-11 was done by high level official of the us governement to persue their agenda, so the american would support growing military budget, and a war in iraq to get their coorporation pumping oil and rebuilding.

 

[Jersay]

Actually this is really interesting. Because I am as anti-Iraq as any one, and my mom is a anti-afghanistan person, but I can really see that the true people who are against Afghanistan are people who are first

anti-American,

Anti-military, and anti corporation.

I can claim to be anti-corporation and somewhat anti-American, but anti-military is a no go for me.

 

[Mogz]

Concerning the interest of Canadian public to discuss this situation, if they want to discuss it fine, go right ahead but leave it up to the Generals and the government in charge to deal with the situation. Don't have any of these votes or things saying the troops have to come home because we are over there, and are staying over there until decided otherwise by the military or by the Afghan government.

And the fact is plain and simple why all this fuss is going on now is because Canadians are now dying overseas. If they had listened to General Hillier in the fall and not watch sports or changed the channel they would be more prepared now.

Exactly, well said!

Thinking that our troops are following orders and defend our right to freedom of speech, is completly ridicoulus, that is exactly what governement want you to think.they are there for coorporations interest period.

Oh man, please. When I was in Afghanistan I knew what I was there for. I was there so the people didn't have to worry about how long their beards were, if they were readin the koran enough, or if today was the day they'd be picked up by the Taliban and never be seen again. I was there becasue I never want to see a jumbo jet fly in to the CN Tower. I was there because my Government decided deploying to 'ghan was in my Country's best interests. I was there because I wear the uniform. The whole corporate spin on things is moronic, and i'll be honest, completely tired.

That is probably the only thing that the army is good for, to help people when a disasters occurs.

Tell that to the verterans who fought in World War II. Tell that to the Veterans of the Former Yugoslavia. Most importantly, tell that to a soldier serving in the Forces today. 10 chances to 1 you get knocked out. I know i'd flatten you if you ever said that to me in person. I don't understand how Canadians can sit there and belittle the very institution that defends them. Talk about ungrateful jerks.

help people where?? in haiti?? where we have helped to crashed down an elected leaders (aristide), kill protesters during protest, that is what you called helping peoples??

Aristide left on his own. Furthermore Aristide was a political savage who had hundreds of his own people murdered. You should see the video my Dad has of the "bone yard" near Port-o-Prince. Watch the scene where my Dad (in the video) pulls a bone out of a pile that still has a cast on it. Watch my Dad showing a childs skull with two bullet holes in the back to the camera. Then talk to me about poor Aristide.

in afganisthan?? what are we doing there?? there is no democracy in afganisthan, alquada are still there and well and in pakistan too, us left not much troops there , they let to the united nations, thinking the world will be stupid enough to think saddam hussein was dangerous.

There is a democracy. They voted for their President and they got him. In fact Canada provided close security for the elections. The U.S. has around 11,000 soldiers in Afghanistan (that's about 3 Brigades or 1 Division). So to say they don't have many troops left there is well, stupid. Furthermore the U.N. isn't in Afghanistan so I don't know where you're getting that from. The U.N., in all their wanton cowardice, didn't deem Afghanistan important enough to deploy to.

We are in afganisthan to help cooporation to build a pipeline to reach and provide oil to china,

Um, I was there for 8 months and a bit and I never saw any oil pipelines being built. Also why the hell would we supply oil to China? Seriously do you think before you start typing?

[quote
but I can really see that the true people who are against Afghanistan are people who are first

anti-American,

Anti-military, and anti corporation.
[/quote]

That's the sad truth. People take a stance on something and seek to impose it on to anything even remotely related. Be anti-American all you want, but I fail to see how that gives you cause to disrespect the great sacrifices our soldiers make in Afghanistan. What ever happened to national unity? When our nation went to war in World War I, World War II, Korea, the nation stood behind them. We took THOUSANDS of casualties and public support remained true to the end. Why in the 21st Century are people so gutless? Why won't be support the people who give us our daily freedom? Why is the death of 10 men in 5 years so tragic an event when in Bosnia in 1994 17 men were killed in 11 months? Why are people so against an operation they don't even understand? In short, what's wrong with Canadian society?

 

[jimmoyer]

Wonderful post Mogz.

Absolutely right on.

 

[the caracal kid]

"You are so out of touch with reality. You once said you were a soldier, although myself and a few others know you lied about that, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is that you cannot decree a soldier must build his own morale and that nothing from home should influence that. Why will a soldier want to go to a foreign land, risk his or her life, wear the uniform of her nation, only to be disrespected back home. That is the highest form of unjustice there is; to neglect those who leave the safety of this nation to promote the safety of another. "

you love to blow hot air, don't you? or is it just you like the taste of footleather?

You know nothing about my history. You just resort to ad hominums because you lack a valid argument.

a soldier must build his own morale. nobody else is going to do it. THe dymanics of group support help, but the belief must come from within. Unless of course you are submitting you are a mindless drone that only responds to fed stimuli.

 

[I think not]

That is probably the only thing that the army is good for, to help people when a disasters occurs.

The dead Canadian soldiers of WWI & WWII must be rolling in their graves right about now. How utterly disrepesctful!

help people where?? in haiti?? where we have helped to crashed down an elected leaders (aristide), kill protesters during protest, that is what you called helping peoples??

Yes in Haiti, where you helped get rid of another tyrant.

in afganisthan?? what are we doing there?? there is no democracy in afganisthan, alquada are still there and well and in pakistan too, us left not much troops there , they let to the united nations, thinking the world will be stupid enough to think saddam hussein was dangerous.

Yes Afghanistan, where democracy is well on it's way. I can't wait till you stick your foot in your mouth. And Saddam Hussein was dangerous.....not anymore.

We are in afganisthan to help cooporation to build a pipeline to reach and provide oil to china,

You're spending money on protecting China's oil pipelines? Where do you get your information from? A crystal ball?

otherwise the americans would have really killed the supposed real guilty of 9-11, since no evidence shows alquada was behind 9-11,

Right, we just decided to get up and invade a cold mountainous region to export opium. :roll:

and all this non sense about the war in iraq and oussama bin laden, the only conclusion that is logical, 9-11 was done by high level official of the us governement to persue their agenda, so the american would support growing military budget, and a war in iraq to get their coorporation pumping oil and rebuilding.

We were buying their oil anyway aeon, how many times do we have to bring this up? And could have used the money rebuilding American infrastructure instead.

I really don't understand people the way they think sometimes.

 

[Mogz]

you love to blow hot air, don't you? or is it just you like the taste of footleather?

You know nothing about my history. You just resort to ad hominums because you lack a valid argument.

a soldier must build his own morale. nobody else is going to do it. THe dymanics of group support help, but the belief must come from within. Unless of course you are submitting you are a mindless drone that only responds to fed stimuli.

I don't blow "hot air" I speak the truth. With regard to your post history fine, I will accept I don't know it. However I will say you were never a soldier, as a soldier would never speak like you do about an organization he served with. Lets say for a second you were a soldier. What trade? What unit? How many years? Tell me that now.

That said, your whole argument about morale is utterly stupid. A soldier doesn't "build his own morale" he gets it from others. Having been overseas i'll tell you that nothing can brighten your day like a package from home, or an email from a girlfriend. Better yet, lets look in theatre. I once was having a bad day about a month in to my tour. I was down, I hated where I was, I wanted to go home. It's natural. You know what cheered me up? A guy in my section bought me a beer that night. A single beer cheered me up. Soldiers don't manufacture their feelings and make themselves feel better. Many times we dig deep down and deal with the issues, but we don't repair them. A morale boost comes from somewhere else. Usually something as simple as a hot meal, a shower, a funny joke. These things build morale, not a soldier laying in a trench saying "ok chief, smile, lets go, 1 , 2, 3, smile!".

 

[jimmoyer]

Aeon is deep into a mindthink as much as he thinks we
are. Perhaps Aeon sees hypocrisy so much in America
that he spends little time noting hypocrisy worldwide.

 

[the caracal kid]

and all your morale boosting did not come from strangers that happen to live in the same geo-political region as you come from. It came from familiars, and as i said, this does help in morale building.

I would not have spoken about the military the way i have if it was not for my having the first hand experience.

 

[Jersay]

Well I agree with most of Mogz post except for the United Nations. They were the ones who were working on the elections in Afghanistan with the help of coalitions forces, as well as in Iraq.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

The fact that Afghanistan needed help is of course true, but our reasons for going are without morality, integrity, decency, honesty, or goodness.....it is the attack on an ally of ours that led us down this road....and to be honest, an ally that had it coming. If you look at the history of America's role in Afghanistan in 1979, you can see that the attacks of 911 were not without provocation.

This is outrageous !

"HAD IT COMING"!!!!!!

So the USA helped the Mujaha'deen in its fight againt the Soviet monster. You should read up a little on Soviet tactics in the region. As well, at the time the Cold War was at its zenith, and "the enemy of my enemy......"

"HAD IT COMING!!!!" Damn, I can't believe that!

The United States was attackwed without provocation, unless provocation in the eyes of Islamists include:

1. Working to help Bosnian Muslims.

2. Paying Muslim countries in the Middle East trillions for their oil.

3. Helping Islamists fight the Sovet infidel.

4. Defending the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina from secular Iraq.

5. Living in a society where the Muslim minority is free to worship as they please.

Yep. The Yanks deserved it. As did the 24 Canadians killed.

 

[aeon]

The dead Canadian soldiers of WWI & WWII must be rolling in their graves right about now. How utterly disrepesctful!

Ding dong, what the ww2 has to do with today?? absotly nothing at all, cause in ww2, 90% of victims were soldiers, today 90% of victims are civilians.

Yes in Haiti, where you helped get rid of another tyrant.

My blueberry ass, ask people from haiti, ask them who are the tyran, dont ask your media to tell you what they want you to know.

Yes Afghanistan, where democracy is well on it's way. I can't wait till you stick your foot in your mouth. And Saddam Hussein was dangerous.....not anymore.

saddam wasnt dangerous , 13 years of sanctions destroyed 95% of wmd, and more importantly 1 .5 milllions of iraqies are dead from those sanctions, and guys like you thought it wasnt enough , damn ignorant moron, that is the only thing i can say about you.

You're spending money on protecting China's oil pipelines? Where do you get your information from? A crystal ball?

As usual , you just didnt get it, your coorporation will build a oil pipeline to reach and provide oil to china, that is why your military are there, not for the democracy, well democracy for us coorporations.

Right, we just decided to get up and invade a cold mountainous region to export opium. :roll:

The opium is another reason why u guys went there, the taliban got rid 90% of the opium productions, according to the united nations, and then when the invasion came in 2001, all this opium production came back.

-- Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan doubled between 2002 and 2003 to a level 36 times higher than in the last year of rule by the Taliban, according to White House figures released Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/afghanistan.drugs.reut/index.html

We were buying their oil anyway aeon, how many times do we have to bring this up? And could have used the money rebuilding American infrastructure instead.

That doesnt matter, us coorporation werent directly operating in iraq like they are now, and more importantly, the oil has been privatized since the invasion, only 2 us and 2 uk coorporation can work in iraq, for the next 30 years.

I really don't understand people the way they think sometimes.

Exactly, how can people be so sheep to believe a governement that only lies since they are in power, how can you?? tell me....

 

[Jay]

The dead Canadian soldiers of WWI & WWII must be rolling in their graves right about now. How utterly disrepesctful!

Ding dong, what the ww2 has to do with today?? absotly nothing at all, cause in ww2, 90% of victims were soldiers, today 90% of victims are civilians.

And here I thought some 50 million people died during that war...

Like in Dresden when the allies killed 1 in 3 of everyone in the city. Dresden had a pop of 100K.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

1. Working to help Bosnian Muslims.

2. Paying Muslim countries in the Middle East trillions for their oil.

3. Helping Islamists fight the Sovet infidel.

4. Defending the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina from secular Iraq.

5. Living in a society where the Muslim minority is free to worship as they please.

Yep. The Yanks deserved it. As did the 24 Canadians killed.

Helping islamist fight the soviet infidel, true, that is exactly what the islamist are doing today, trying to fight the us infidel, same old crap.

living in a society where the muslim minority are free to workship as they please, that is why since the invasion, iraqies has to buy ogm seed from the west , so much for the freedom hey mr ignorant??


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7915.htm

Traditionally, Iraqi farmers used “farm-saved seed” and the free innovation with and exchange of planting materials among farming communities has long been the basis of agricultural practice. According to the Food Agriculture Organisation (FAO), 97 percent of Iraqi farmers used farm-saved seeds from their own stocks from last year harvest or purchased from local market. The new law deprives Iraqi farmers of their innovation and development of important crops such barley, wheat, pulses and the famous Iraqi date. Despite extreme aridity, characterised by low rainfalls and soil salinity, Iraq had a world standard agricultural sector producing good quality food for generations.

Under the new US Order, the saving and planting of seeds will be illegal and market will only offer plant material produced by transactional agribusiness corporations. The US Order introduces a system of private monopoly rights over seeds and will force Iraqi farmers to relay on big US corporations to buy its yearly crop seeds for planting. The term of the monopoly is 20 years for crop varieties and 25 for trees and vines. During this time the protected variety de facto becomes the property of the breeder, and nobody can plant or otherwise use this variety without compensating the breeder.

you know guys ignorance will not set you free.It is about time you guys damn wake up.

 

[Jay]

Screw security....it's all about seeds!

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

Screw security....it's all about seeds!

No it isn't, it's all about sheep.

 

[Jay]

The sheep eat the seeds....it's all on how you look at it.