Subterfuge

[Motar]

Is this "dragon" the cause of all the suffering and injustice throughout history Motar, or could it be that humanity is the bad guy. If this is not about us, then why would a benevolent entity allow his children to be tortured by an outside source?

Good luck in all your endeavors Motar you're a nice Lady. .

Both, LL. The dragon stands condemned (John 16:11), while humanity stands today in the mercy and faithfulness of God. Your sincere appreciation of the grace/truth of Christ is evident, Friend. Be blessed : )

 

[MHz]

Subterfuge.
All religions summed up in a word. Very proficient and concise. I absolutely concur.

You appear to know as little about God as you do about politics in the Mid-east.

Satan is the red dragon.
The beast from the Pit is a fallen angel that was put into the Pit during the flood in Noah's time.
The False Prophet is the 4 fallen angels that are released and manifest into the 200M horsemen.
The idiot men that follow these angelic beings are the anti-christs of the world and they number 2/3 of mankind and they are all sent to the grave on the day the 7th trump sounds.

The 'change' you are referencing is the change from the 5th trump (1st woe) to the 6th trump (2nd woe).

 

[Ludlow]

Both, LL. The dragon stands condemned (John 16:11), while humanity stands today in the mercy and faithfulness of God. Your sincere appreciation of the grace/truth of Christ is evident, Friend. Be blessed : )

When asked if he had eaten of the fruit of the tree,,,Adam said, the woman that "you" gave me made me do it. Then when Eve was asked if why she ate of the fruit of the tree her response was, the "serpent" made me do it. Not exact wording but a short synopsis. Neither of which owned up to their own transgression . Adam blamed god and the woman, and the woman blamed the serpent. The moral of the story need not mean anything other than the necessity of honesty . One word. "honesty". If there is anything that can sum up the entire message of all of these teachings Motar, it would be that one solitary word. Honesty. Take care.

 

[darkbeaver]

We now have to treat of the Serpent and his attack on man through the woman. Our task here is complicated somewhat by the duality of the serpent symbolism. In old scriptures the Serpent or Dragon or water snake, Hydra of the Zodiac, typifies mainly the feminine-physical-evil part of man. But there is also the Serpent of fire, the Serpent of wisdom. The philosophers had both an Agathodaemon, or Good Serpent, and a Kakodaemon, or Evil Serpent. Like all other dual symbols, the two were originally one, without distinction of good or evil. Androgyneity precedes the bifurcation into spirit and matter, good and evil. Good and evil are purely relative terms. It transpires, on sufficient authority, that the tempting Serpent in Genesis is the Good Serpent, not the evil Apap, the water Hydra. But even the Good Serpent leads mankind into the jaws of the Dragon of matter.

But the nature and character of this Good Serpent has not been capably set forth. The study of archaic myth and symbol finds positive data to go upon. He is the Cyclic Law. He is the active power of Life itself. But he is that aspect of Life that swings all created beings round and round through the cycles, - represented by his coils. The Greeks called the circular hole formed by the coils of a snake the Kuklos Anagkes, or Cycle of Necessity. It is the eternal law of evolution that drives all creatures into incarnate life to wake them out of the sleep of unconsciousness. It plunges them all into the maelstroms of periodical embodiment in matter. It is the inexorable law of necessity which brings man down to earth again and again - to learn ever more.
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.

 

[eh1eh]

So. What about the dinosaurs all you religious people? Hmmmm?

 

[Motar]

So. What about the dinosaurs all you religious people? Hmmmm?

To whom are you speaking, ee?

 

[darkbeaver]

So. What about the dinosaurs all you religious people? Hmmmm?

Yes the bible is full of dragons. How did these old people dream up dargons and talking serpents?

 

[Motar]

Yes the bible is full of dragons. How did these old people dream up dargons and talking serpents?

Which "old people" do you reference, DB?

 

[MHz]

The ones before the flood that lived to be almost 1,000 years old. (called one day in their time)

 

[selfsame]

The story of Adam and Eve in the present Torah (included also in the Old Testament); this story is false; it was fabricated by Ezra son of Siraeh who re-wrote the Torah following their return from the captivity of Babylon.

This scribe or writer of the Torah did many mistakes and made many distortions: omitted and added and changed many things.
One of these alterations is the story of Adam and Eve: whatever one may try to make excuses: it is not convincing: it is not true.

The serpent spoke, the serpent walked on feet, the serpent eats earth.
Adam and Eve after eating: their eyes were opened. The tree was the apple tree.
God searched for Adam: called him: where are you?
Adam hide behind a tree so that God would not see him!

All the story had been fabricated.
Satan suggested to Ezra: if you say to people: Satan deceived Adam, they will say: Who is this Satan, and why don't we see him? But better tell them: The serpent spoke to Eve and Eve deceived Adam .. etc.

The Quran came to correct the mistakes and distortions made by the hands of men.
The Quran tells us: The forbidding was in the first place: the approaching to the tree of the black berry with its spikes.
The purpose of Satan: to let Adam and Eve disobey God, and let their shame uncovered for them
So Satan suggested to Adam and he deceived Eve to eat of the fruit of that spiky tree.
It is the obedience to God that is the important thing from the time of Adam and till now.
The disobedience let Adam and Eve be punished: the garden which was on Earth not in the heaven: it is a garden of this life of the World: not the spiritual ethereal Garden of the Next Life.
The purpose of Satan (till now) of exposing the shame of sons and daughters of Adam: in order to corrupt their moral and let them fall in the adultery.

The Second mistake: The Story Of Adam And Eve (The Difference Between the Hebrew Bible And the Quran About It)
The Disagreement of the

 

[Motar]

The story of Adam and Eve in the present Torah (included also in the Old Testament); this story is false; it was fabricated by Ezra son of Siraeh who re-wrote the Torah following their return from the captivity of Babylon. This scribe or writer of the Torah did many mistakes and made many distortions: omitted and added and changed many things. One of these alterations is the story of Adam and Eve: whatever one may try to make excuses: it is not convincing: it is not true.

Your opinion concerning the account of Adam and Eve is noted, SS. What about the Revelation?

 

[Ludlow]

So. What about the dinosaurs all you religious people? Hmmmm?

I've kinda wondered lately as to how and why these monsters disappeared yet humanity remains. Not an expert or even minimally knowledgeable on the subject so it could be an ignorant thought but it is interesting. Why did they disappear and we remain. ?

 

[Motar]

So. What about the dinosaurs all you religious people? Hmmmm?

Changing the topic of discussion is an example of subterfuge, ee.

 

[Ludlow]

Changing the topic of discussion is an example of subterfuge, ee.

Could that also be called "shifting the focus"? Lots of that type of thing happens around here.

 

[Motar]

Could that also be called "shifting the focus"? Lots of that type of thing happens around here.

Ad hominem commentary is another example of subterfuge, LL.

 

[Ludlow]

Ad hominem commentary is another example of subterfuge, LL?

Intellectual dishonesty yes I suppose so. Personal attacks are a way of shifting the focus off of the issue at hand or yourself.

 

[Motar]

Intellectual dishonesty yes I suppose so. Personal attacks are a way of shifting the focus off of the issue at hand or yourself.

Or diverting attention away from both, LL. Yes, this is subterfuge.

 

[darkbeaver]

I've kinda wondered lately as to how and why these monsters disappeared yet humanity remains. Not an expert or even minimally knowledgeable on the subject so it could be an ignorant thought but it is interesting. Why did they disappear and we remain. ?

The gravity of the planet changed dramatically at one time, the planet got bigger, the continents formed, spread caused by inflation. Dynos built for less gravity. Giant humans suffered the same fate.

 

[Ludlow]

I guess you could analyze this until the sun explodes Motar. I think you are either honest in your conversations with another or you are not. that's pretty much all there is to it. You know,, I always wonder why people like to insert fancy words like "subterfuge" when the simpler word would suffice. Kind of like a person using the word "elucidate ", when the word explain get's the job done.
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There are probably some who would consider that applying these writings to future events is a form of deception or "subterfuge' if you like that word. Depends on your perspective of the historical aspect of these writings.

 

[Motar]

I guess you could analyze this until the sun explodes Motar. I think you are either honest in your conversations with another or you are not. that's pretty much all there is to it. You know,, I always wonder why people like to insert fancy words like "subterfuge" when the simpler word would suffice. Kind of like a person using the word "elucidate ", when the word explain get's the job done.

Agree, LL. Honesty is best. There may be other reasons people like to use fancy words, but I am someone who finds particular pleasure in wordplay. I enjoy literature. I write poetry. I like words : )