Strong rebuttal from Pakistan

Zzarchov

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You mean such "well hidden plans" as putting signs up saying "No Jews or Dogs", or authorizing widescale looting of jewish shops?

Or their open call to create Greater Germany? including trumpeting how they had created Nazi party cells in Denmark and Austria?

Open, all of it, and people came along for the ride anyways.
 

Zzarchov

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1,000 dead Pakistani soldiers. $5 billion in cash used.

The US has 2 thousand or so dead I belive, over $200 billion in cash used.

Doesn't seem like that much aid was given to pakistan, sounds like they cheaped out.
 

CDNBear

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Oh by the way, you guys have all completely missed the mark on what Dion was talking about. He said a NATO led diplomatic approach to helping in Pakistan, not sending in more of our or anybody else's troops to Pakistan to go get killed in more fighting.
Perhaps you could join Dion in a clinic on what is and is not NATO.

NATO in no way shape or form has a diplomatic corp to address areas of diplomacy, such as he seemingly intended in his stupid comments and furthered here by you.
But then again, wheres the fun in not blowing things out of perspective?
But then again, where's the fun in living in reality?
 

dancing-loon

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Musharraf rejects CIA proposal to fight militants: report (Last Updated: Sunday, January 27, 2008 | 11:49 AM ET)

CBC News
Pakistan's president has reportedly rebuffed a request by two American officials to allow U.S. forces greater freedom to operate in Pakistani territory bordering on eastern Afghanistan.
The administration of U.S. President George W. Bush says it wants to track al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other groups who are said to be stepping up efforts to destabilize Pakistan's government.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden and U.S. national intelligence director Mike McConnell traveled secretly to Pakistan earlier this month to present their proposals personally to President Pervez Musharraf.
In the Jan. 9 meetings, they were asking for leeway to expand the U.S. presence in Pakistan, either through joint operations with Pakistani forces or through covert unilateral CIA missions, but Musharraf rejected the proposals, the Times said.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/01/27/pakistan-cia.html
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I wonder WHY Musharaff doesn't want the CIA in that particular area of his country? I mean, they are already, together with Mossad and RAW, active inside Pakistan.
All the CIA wants to do now, is to root out the Taliban, so there can be peace finally in Afghanistan.

Here an interesting back-up article. At your own discretion!;-)

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/522896284.html
 

gopher

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more right wing propaganda from the CIA:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/27/2147406.htm?section=justin



``Afghanistan claims 'proof' of Iran-Taliban weapons flow``


Now, how the CIA plans to show ''proof'' that Tehran is arming its own sworn enemy is something I'd like to see. As always, not a shred of evidence is presented but you can bet that many ignorant right wingers will believe it despite the fact that it is an obvious Bush-Cheney-CIA lie.

LOL!;-)
 

dancing-loon

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I had no idea it was that much!!!
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over the money. The strategy to improve the Pakistani military, they said, needs to be completely revamped.
No wonder the Americans are going down the drain!!That there hasn't been a revolt from the tax payers is astonishing!:-?
 

normbc9

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Musharaff's soft under belly is the threat of outside military to solve the insurgent problems rooted on his homeland. In truth, Pakistan was not founded as a Muslim nation and using Muslim laws. It was an attempt by feudal warlords to preserve their territories and stop the Indian Army from trying to penetrate that area. If you look back at history Pakistan quickly dumped the other Pakistani area due to its other siocial problems and the fact that the economy of the East area was dragging down the other part of the nation which was separated by the original territory of India. Whoe ever is foolish enough to try to penetrate those northern tribal areas will witness another stream of coffins going back to the homeland of the attempting invader. It is cold, very high altitude and also very sparsely populated. The natural resources in the area are not much to talk about and who would ever want to command that part of the world?
 

unclepercy

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Sombody is copying the anti-liter campaign from Texas. :x It's been around 10-20 years : Don't mess with Texas. Looks like they could have come up with a more original title.

Uncle



“Don’t Mess With Us,”




By Ahmed Quraishi


The ‘real’ Pakistani officials in charge of the nation’s vast nuclear and strategic arsenal have spent the past few months quietly laughing at the doomsday scenarios that American politicians and media organizations have been spinning for months now. These Pakistani officials say they are calm because of their confidence in their capabilities. However, this Pakistani calm should not be mistaken for weakness. “My message is: Don’t mess with us,” says Air Commodore Khalid Banuri, with pride. Continue
 

Scott Free

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Darkbeaver "Study a little about what went on in Germany during the thirtys and you will see today more clearly."

Yes, Germany was very open, it plainly stated its goals for conquest and racial purity. It didn't hide them in secret meetings, as there was no way something of that scale could be hidden. It wasn't something they hid or tried to misdirect, they flat out told everyone what they planned to do.

And in that vein the USA is also plotting to conquer the world, OK not in those words but they want to be the worlds "police force" and gain world hegemony, both of which mean conquest. Destroy the UN and spread "democracy," which means "change everyones political system even though it's non of their damn business."

So Afghanistan and Iraq are piddly little imperialist wars. There are sure to be many more and they are sure to escalate.

It is ridiculous that we are involved in the USA's plans for world domination. If they want to conquer the world let them do it by themselves.

Dion is a disappointment in that he buys into this terrorist fiction and wants us to do more than mind our own business.
 

dancing-loon

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Hi, Scott, I see you are on-line.
My answer, after having listened partly to the debate in Parliament, let's vote for Jack Layton next time! He is seasoned and has a strong voice.
 

Scott Free

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Hi, Scott, I see you are on-line.
My answer, after having listened partly to the debate in Parliament, let's vote for Jack Layton next time! He is seasoned and has a strong voice.

I would like to but I can't stand his stance on gun control. He seems oblivious to the fact that Canada has a gang problem not a gun problem.

I'll probably end up voting for him if he promises to get us out of this insane world war of the United States, out of NAFTA and out of The North American Union.
 

dancing-loon

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I would like to but I can't stand his stance on gun control. He seems oblivious to the fact that Canada has a gang problem not a gun problem.

I'll probably end up voting for him if he promises to get us out of this insane world war of the United States, out of NAFTA and out of The North American Union.
You have quite the "wish list"! Let's see what is wrong with NAFTA.

Canadian disputes
There is some concern in Canada over the provision that if something is sold even once as a commodity, the government cannot stop its sale in the future.[dubiousdiscuss] This applies to the water from Canada's lakes and rivers, fueling fears over the possible destruction of Canadian ecosystems and water supply.
Other fears come from the effects NAFTA has had on Canadian lawmaking. In 1996, MMT, a gasoline additive that some studies had linked to nerve damage, was brought into Canada by an American company. The Canadian federal government banned the importation of the additive. The American company brought a claim under NAFTA Chapter 11 seeking US $201 million, and by Canadian Provinces under the Agreement on Internal Trade ("AIT"). The American company argued that their additive had not been conclusively linked to any health dangers, and that the prohibition was damaging to their company. Following a finding that the ban was a violation of the AIT, the Canadian federal government repealed the ban and settled with the American company for US $13 million.
The United States and Canada had been arguing for years over the United States' decision to impose a 27% duty on Canadian softwood lumber imports, until new Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper compromised with the United States and reached a settlement on July 1, 2006, though the settlement has not yet been ratified by either country, in part due to domestic opposition in Canada. Canada had filed numerous motions to have the duty eliminated and the collected duties returned to Canada. After the United States lost an appeal from a NAFTA panel, it responded by saying "We are, of course, disappointed with the [NAFTA panel's] decision, but it will have no impact on the anti-dumping and countervailing duty orders", (Neena Moorjani, spokeswoman for U.S. Trade Representative Rob Portman. On July 21, 2006, the U.S. Court of International Trade found that imposition of the duties was contrary to U.S. law. The U.S.'s apparent failure to comply with various rulings against it in this case has generated widespread political debate in Canada.
Are we Canadians so stupid to let the wool be pulled over our eyes? No, I think we are just not corrupt and callous enough!!