Stripping expatriate right to vote may be unconstitutional

[CDNBear]

Conservatives now.

It's Liberal legislation. Why is this Harpers problem?

Should the Conservatives impose legislation to appease the emotional response to this Liberal Legislation?

And why?

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OK, so I did a little reading and here's the deal...

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So where's the big scary, emotion wrenching problem?

As I said before, it's been on the books since 1993, enacted by the Liberals, under Chretien.

So BOOMer, maybe you could show me how your Heil Harper barb fits into this?

 

[Spade]

If Canadians live abroad, they are unlikely to vote. It is unnecessary legislation. By the way, Harper is the PM, so this legislation is under his purview.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Except the legislation in 1993 that strips Canadian citizenship from from persons living, working and paying taxes abroad. For more than 5 years.

You are not only a singularly unpleasant man and a pompous ignoramus, you are incredibly stupid and ill informed. You cannot even read the law on this with a modicum of understanding.

Canadian citizens cannot be stripped of their citizenship and a couple here in the circumstance you claim as cause have explained that to you.

Not in National law or International law.

Now, can you try to leave the insults out of it or do have a psychological impediment to civilzed discourse.

 

[CDNBear]

If Canadians live abroad, they are unlikely to vote. It is unnecessary legislation.

The gov't of the time, didn't think so.

By the way, Harper is the PM, so this legislation is under his purview.

Ya so?

You are not only a singularly unpleasant man and a pompous ignoramus, you are incredibly stupid and ill informed.

Ummm...

Now, can you try to leave the insults out of it or do have a psychological impediment to civilzed discourse.

The irony is palpable.

You cannot even read the law on this with a modicum of understanding.

Actually, I read the law and fully understand it. I simply misspoke.

Canadian citizens cannot be stripped of their citizenship and a couple here in the circumstance you claim as cause have explained that to you.

Apart from the fact that a Canadian can have their citizenship revoked. I concede that I erred in my choice of words.

I should have stated "after 5 years, they lose their right to vote" not their citizenship.

I'm sure I won't see you concede to the fact that someone can be stripped of their citizenship though.

Not in National law or International law.

You've failed to provide any form of evidence to back up that claim.

But here's some domestic law, just for you...

Section 10, Citizenship Act

10. (1) Subject to section 18 but notwithstanding any other section of this Act, where the Governor in Council, on a report from the Minister, is satisfied that any person has obtained, retained, renounced or resumed citizenship under this Act by false representation or fraud or by knowingly concealing material circumstances,

(a) the person ceases to be a citizen, or

(b) the renunciation of citizenship by the person shall be deemed to have had no effect,

as of such date as may be fixed by order of the Governor in Council with respect thereto.


Enjoyyour fail.

 

[earth_as_one]

You are not only a singularly unpleasant man and a pompous ignoramus, you are incredibly stupid and ill informed....

I agree with you, but expressing this opinion is off topic and breaks forum rules...

 

[CDNBear]

I agree with you, but expressing this opinion is off topic and breaks forum rules...

So is your post...lol.

EDIT: Thanks again for exposing your double standards EAO.

 

[captain morgan]

'Twas a sad little attempt at a snipe

 

[CDNBear]

'Twas a sad little attempt at a snipe

Not nearly as sad or lame as the fat/STD trolling.

That was almost painful to watch deteriorate into EAO eating her own feet.

But as you know, EAO is above it all... :roll:

 

[SLM]

'Twas a sad little attempt at a snipe

Not nearly as sad or lame as the fat/STD trolling.

That was almost painful to watch deteriorate into EAO eating her own feet.

Oh they're all sad and painful to watch. A good insult or sarcastic jibe can be a thing of beauty, irrespective of who it is directed at. Because it is the clever aspect of it that makes it fun.

What we currently have is, most likely, an old loser posing as a new loser and that's just boring.

 

[CDNBear]

Oh they're all sad and painful to watch. A good insult or sarcastic jibe can be a thing of beauty, irrespective of who it is directed at. Because it is the clever aspect of it that makes it fun.

What we currently have is, most likely, an old loser posing as a new loser and that's just boring.

No doubt.

But Fuzzy's new found infatuation and EAO's selective contempt, is very funny to watch.

 

[SLM]

But Fuzzy's new found infatuation

I'm not sure how "new found" it is really.

But I've got to tell you, when it comes to somebody being "boinked" I suppose he would know what that's like, wouldn't he?

 

[CDNBear]

I'm not sure how "new found" it is really.

But I've got to tell you, when it comes to somebody being "boinked" I suppose he would know what that's like, wouldn't he?

Ya, of course, him being the catcher and all.

 

[SLM]

Ya, of course, him being the catcher and all.

That would be my assessment. You know, after some thought, I've decided it was actually so very kind of him to lower the bar like he did. It'll make for some really interesting future replies to some of the more questionable 'foot in mouth' posts that will inevitably arise.

 

[captain morgan]

Not nearly as sad or lame as the fat/STD trolling.

That was almost painful to watch deteriorate into EAO eating her own feet.

But as you know, EAO is above it all... :roll:

Take it as a sign of one that has no value or tangible input to add. Despite the tasteless attack, I see it as your having successfully debunked a fool's argument

Oh they're all sad and painful to watch. A good insult or sarcastic jibe can be a thing of beauty, irrespective of who it is directed at. Because it is the clever aspect of it that makes it fun.

Agreed, however, the necessary component in an effective snipe requires that there be an element of intelligence to support it.

What was provided in those unfortunate attacks offered no element of intelligence, I don't expect that they will be knocking Mark Twain off the throne anytime soon.

But Fuzzy's new found infatuation and EAO's selective contempt, is very funny to watch.

Funny like watching the coyote run into a tunnel with an oncoming train.

 

[CDNBear]

Take it as a sign of one that has no value or tangible input to add. Despite the tasteless attack, I see it as your having successfully debunked a fool's argument

It's not as if Fuzzy, EAO or Cabbagefarts put forward anything other than emotion in this thread anyways.

Funny like watching the coyote run into a tunnel with an oncoming train.

This comes to mind more oft than not...

Wile E Coyote, Super Genius - YouTube

 

[SLM]

Take it as a sign of one that has no value or tangible input to add. Despite the tasteless attack, I see it as your having successfully debunked a fool's argument

A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato.

Man of great wisdom Plato, the fools would do well to heed the advice.

Agreed, however, the necessary component in an effective snipe requires that there be an element of intelligence to support it.

Of course! It's the play on words, the way in which a point gets made with humour that elevates the whole affair. Resorting to the tactics of of children or merely slapping together some words out of the dictionary simply don't cut it.

What was provided in those unfortunate attacks offered no element of intelligence, I don't expect that they will be knocking Mark Twain off the throne anytime soon.

Honey, at the risk of sounding vain, these clowns won't be knocking me off my throne any time soon.

Funny like watching the coyote run into a tunnel with an oncoming train.

They are classics for a reason.

 

[captain morgan]

Man of great wisdom Plato, the fools would do well to heed the advice.

Of course! It's the play on words, the way in which a point gets made with humour that elevates the whole affair. Resorting to the tactics of of children or merely slapping together some words out of the dictionary simply don't cut it.

Honey, at the risk of sounding vain, these clowns won't be knocking me off my throne any time soon.

They are classics for a reason.

Love the comments, all of 'em! (On that note, don't talk yourself down, there's nothing vain in what you suggested).

The only comment that I would add is this: Fools don't take advice, nor are they familiar with Plato

 

[SLM]

Love the comments, all of 'em! (On that note, don't talk yourself down, there's nothing vain in what you suggested).

Lol, thanks.

The only comment that I would add is this: Fools don't take advice, nor are they familiar with Plato

There are a great number of things fools don't do, the list is too long actually.

 

[Spade]

No Canadian should be disenfranchised based on residency; or, as was done in the past, on ethnicity, religion, or origin. This legislation should be repealed; and, in the interim, not applied. What do governments - past or present- have to fear?

 

[CDNBear]

No Canadian should be disenfranchised based on residency; or, as was done in the past, on ethnicity, religion, or origin. This legislation should be repealed; and, in the interim, not applied.

Then why don't we just give everyone on the planet the right to vote in Canada?

If you don't live here, if you don't work here, if you don't pay income tax, if you do not intend to return, why would you want to vote here?

What do governments - past or present- have to fear?

I don't think it has anything to do with fear, as apposed to saying "If you do not want to be a contributing member of our society, you forfeit the right to guide it".

I see no reason to change that, as it seems quite reasonable.