Stephen Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

[Summer]

RE: Harper vows free vote

What's with the use of the word "virtuous"? Who gets to decide what's "virtuous" for a homosexual (or a heterosexual, for that matter)?

 

[Cosmo]

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The definition of a homosexual refers only to "same sex" (no mention of two different sexes anywhere). Therefore introducing genetic material from a different sex as required in reproduction is not homosexual behavior. Humans are not asexual.

Wrong.

Asexual Reproduction

Read down the page past the bug part to:

Parthenogenesis

In parthenogenesis ("virgin birth"), the females produce eggs, but these develop into young without ever being fertilized.
Parthenogenesis occurs in some fishes, several kinds of insects, and a few species of frogs and lizards. It does not normally occur in mammals because of their imprinted genes. However, using special manipulations to circumvent imprinting, laboratory mice have been produced by parthenogenesis. [Link]

In a few nonmammalian species it is the only method of reproduction, but more commonly animals turn to parthenogenesis only at certain times. For example, aphids use parthenogenesis in the spring when they find themselves with ample food. Reproduction by parthenogenesis is more rapid that sexual reproduction, and the use of this mode of asexual reproduction permits the animals to quickly exploit the available resources.

It can be done in mammals. Humans are mammals.

If you happen to be a christian, good ole Mary was the first to participate in parthenogenesis ... maybe us dykes DO have the right idea after all? Wouldn't that rock your little world to find out you're superfluous?

 

[pastafarian]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

Who gets to decide what's "virtuous" for a homosexual (or a heterosexual, for that matter)?

I nominate ME!!!!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

If you happen to be a christian, good ole Mary was the first to participate in parthenogenesis

You should read Only Begotten Daughter by James Morrow, Cosmo.

 

[pastafarian]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

If you happen to be a christian, good ole Mary was the first to participate in parthenogenesis ... maybe us dykes DO have the right idea after all? Wouldn't that rock your little world to find out you're superfluous

Actually, Mary was one in a long line, since the Jesus myth derives from older sources and some of the Evangelists were influenced by other traditions: Bhudda and Krishna's mums were both divinely boinked. Zeus, in a swan outfit, made whoopee with Leda. Osiris, the sun-god produced Horus after a little horizontal mambo with a mortal. there are probably many others.

 

[Summer]

RE: Harper vows free vote

"I couldn't see his face, but he boinked divinely!" - Mary, in explaining her pregnancy to her parents.

:lol:

 

[PoisonPete2]

RE: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

There is one of those weird challenge rewards started in Britain, in which a great amount of money would be given to the first male to carry a baby to full term (of course a 'C' section would be required for delivery).

There is no real biological obstacle to this actually occurring with test-tube fertilization and introduction of the fertilized egg into the male abdominal cavity. The body may well respond to the demands of the developing embryo by developing a placenta. After all, sexual differenciation does not occur in human until close to the beginning of the second trimester, so the potential may be there in all males. It is a rare, though not unheard of, event in females. I can't remember the scientific name, but involves the embryo developing outside of the uterus. Successful births have resulted (using 'C' section of course).
Given this scenerio, a homosexual male could provide the sperm and the belly and no longer be considered a 'genetic deadend'. Of course the 'nofun-de-mentals' would probably scream to ban the procedure.

 

[Hogwild]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

The argument continues.

Back for another round? Get your towel ready.

Asexual reproduction exists - just not for humans.

Are you really going to use the Bible as a referrence? LOL. I think you burned that bridge.

Summer,

If virtue leaves a bad taste in your mouth, stick with hypocrisy.

"Regarding homosexual reproduction, only a homosexual hypocrite would have sex or use the genetic material of a different sex in an intimately sexual or clinically sexual way. "

Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy
Pronunciation: hi-'pä-kr&-sE also hI-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -sies
Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide -- more at CERTAIN
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy

 

[pastafarian]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

Summer: :angel4: :angel4: :angel4: :angel4:

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

There is one of those weird challenge rewards started in Britain, in which a great amount of money would be given to the first male to carry a baby to full term (of course a 'C' section would be required for delivery).

There is no real biological obstacle to this actually occurring with test-tube fertilization and introduction of the fertilized egg into the male abdominal cavity. The body may well respond to the demands of the developing embryo by developing a placenta.

Actually, I think the placenta is formed from cells from the zygote, rather than by the body of the parent.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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"Regarding homosexual reproduction, only a homosexual hypocrite would have sex or use the genetic material of a different sex in an intimately sexual or clinically sexual way. "

Answer - you appear to be equating homosexuality to some sort of faith-based activity, complete with a credo. 'Thou shalt not be a homosexual hypocrite'. How very bizarre.

Please scroll up and read my last previous post and wait for the pitter-patter of homosexual offspring. Then you will likely rant against those 'damned homosexual hypocrites' taking over the world.

 

[MMMike]

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There is one of those weird challenge rewards started in Britain, in which a great amount of money would be given to the first male to carry a baby to full term (of course a 'C' section would be required for delivery).

There is no real biological obstacle to this actually occurring with test-tube fertilization and introduction of the fertilized egg into the male abdominal cavity. The body may well respond to the demands of the developing embryo by developing a placenta. After all, sexual differenciation does not occur in human until close to the beginning of the second trimester, so the potential may be there in all males. It is a rare, though not unheard of, event in females. I can't remember the scientific name, but involves the embryo developing outside of the uterus. Successful births have resulted (using 'C' section of course).
Given this scenerio, a homosexual male could provide the sperm and the belly and no longer be considered a 'genetic deadend'. Of course the 'nofun-de-mentals' would probably scream to ban the procedure.

Eeewww! Aside from being able to pee standing up, this is one of the things we should be thankful for: we can't get pregnant. I don't think this is the sort of experimentation we should be exploring.

 

[Summer]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

The argument continues.

Back for another round? Get your towel ready.

Yeah, we're going to need them to mop up our monitors from laughing at your posts.

Asexual reproduction exists - just not for humans.

Are you really going to use the Bible as a referrence? LOL. I think you burned that bridge.

*begins mopping*

Summer,

If virtue leaves a bad taste in your mouth, stick with hypocrisy.

No need; my main curiosity lay with knowing how you are defining "virtue" and by what authority. Because I can't find a dictionary entry for it that seems to jibe with the way you are using the word.

 

[Jo Canadian]

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my main curiosity lay with knowing how you are defining "virtue"

His reasoning is that his Sh!t doesn't stink, and we should all agree with him because he is right.... Why? Because his one reason has been repeated enough to make it true. You don't happen to work for Bush do you Hawg?

 

[Summer]

RE: Harper vows free vote

LOL, Jo!

 

[PoisonPete2]

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Actually, I think the placenta is formed from cells from the zygote, rather than by the body of the parent.

Answer - I stand corrected. I've been too long out of my biology classes. The zygote ( I had been less formal) sends out blastasytes to ancor it to the wall of the uterus (bad speller) or whatever structure it lands on. This forms into the placenta and allows for the blood supply from the host (yes, the zygote is basicly a paracyte). The point I was alluding to was that such a symbiosis is not beyond possibility within the biology of the male.

 

[Summer]

RE: Harper vows free vote

Well, not to bring up "the Governator" in polite company, but it basically reminds me of the movie "Junior". And I remember thinking way back then that it might be possible for a male to carry a pregnancy to term. Though I imagine that hormones would get into the act, and might hamper the whole affair, depending upon what effect the particular balance of hormones in the masculine body vs. the feminine would have, and/or how to what extent the masculine hormone-producing glands could adapt. Though for that matter, I suppose it would be possible to adjust hormonal balances to some extent via injections and such.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Most excellent reply, Summer. High five to a fellow genetic dead ender!

Pig boy, while being obtuse and offensive, has served us well here. Even the worst example can be a valuable teacher and he has generated some good conversation ... without contributing to it, mind you.

I am done discussing it. Hogwild ... you are nuts. To argue with someone who needs nothing more than a strong shot of Haldol can be entertaining for a short while, but in the long run there is no percentage in debating someone without reason. It gets boring. You are getting boring.

Ok, I'm bad. I'm going to hell. I'm a genetic dead ender. You win. Howzat? Now go away.

about time for a stuffed Piggie BBQ (apple in mouth and the trimmings) while the enlightened now discuss the merits of being "genetic dead enders.". (and there are PLENTY.. :wink:

Drinks are being served as we speak and the roasting piglet sizzles.

(yum !! :wink:

 

[Summer]

RE: Harper vows free vote

I knew I smelled something yummy!

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

From what I've learned so far from this discussion, is that life itself...and that ranges from microbial to advanced forms (i.e. Platypus) Is just too elaborate and varied, dare I say Random enough to actually encounter a genetic dead end. You can point out dozens of extinct species to refute, but extinction was never the result of a species turning "gay", but more from evolutionary specialization which makes a species sensitive to large environmental changes, and species competition. Since Gay traits & behaviours do occur in the animal kingdom, and probably has before people were 'aware'. It just appears to be another cog in the complex wheel of life.

To assume how life works in the manner you represent is just plain: conceited, contemptuous, assuming, biggety, cavalier, detached, disdainful, distant, egotistic, egotistical, high, high hat, hoity-toity, imperious, indifferent, lofty, lordly, overbearing, overweening, proud, reserved, scornful, sniffy, snobbish, snooty, snotty, stuck-up, supercilious, superior, aaaand uppity.

You don't happen to work for Bush do you Hawg?

The reason why I ask is that the tactics are eerily similar