Re: RE: Stephen Harper: The A
bluealberta said:
To make it clear, when the comment "most of Canada wants" or "Canadians want" what is really meant is the socialists in central Canada want, not average people.
For some strange reason I just couldn't let this go, after all of your personal and other insults, this takes the cake. But you got half of half of one sentence right, "most of Canada" the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor economic region, a tiny strip of land in south Ontario/southwest Quebec compared to the rest of the Ontarios and Quebecs, let alone the rest of the Canadas, with about 60% of the population of the Canadas, 70% of the GDP and paying over 70% of all of the bills of this socialist mess of a "federation" and our norths too.
We still have to pay for everyone's law enforcement, including Alberta's, let alone their shares of the federal debt that nothing in Ontario owes one cent of.
And it's not addressed to you or any member of the stupid brain dead drowned rat western rural christian "fundamentalist" (stupid brain dead drowned rats; there a good article about it on the home page; two actually but you'd need to hire a brain to comprehend them ... and if "you" just got offended then "you" just got suckered; I'm looking at a video display, not people and have no clue who "you'" are so if you got offended you're a member of the stupid brain dead drowned rats and can bitch all "you" want to, to prove it) socialist reform alliance "conservative"
Tories. :shock: (Where's the :crosseyed: emoticon?)
I repeat: the western rural christian "fundamentalist" (stupid brain dead drowned rats) socialist reform alliance "conservative"
Tories. :shock:
It's why the NDP are ahead of them in all the polls in the Ontarios for the first time in history. If you're a socialist, or have generally given up on this mess, at least scrap the the western rural christian "fundamentalist" crap. As usual.
Their only allies are the confederate "liberals" who keep sparing them from an election and blowing their own heads off. They really deserve an award of some sort for being so STUPID.
It's unbelivable.
The only reason the new Progressive Conservative Party of whatever the "liberals" think "Canada" is keep sparing the western rural christian "fundamentalist" NDP socialist reform alliance "conservative"
Tories from an election is because the majority, which you got a quarter-straight, of Canadians don't want an election until the Gomery inquiry tables its verdict on all the crazy 2 million pages of contradictory testimony and forensic accounting records it turned up, mainly on the Quebec Liberal party.
If it weren't for that, they'd lose the next bizzare non-confidence vote on purpose to get a majority government, and probably get the NDP in as the official opposition; until we destroy them all, which is only a matter of time now. WE, not you rampant socialist commies out there, stealing $23 billion of our taxes last year alone, having the "liberals" over a barrel, then totally screwing that up losing the "star MP" (and only MP in the Toronto area; the most successful anything in this country but being plundered of taxes to pay for nothing that makes any sense at all anymore) for the western rural christian "fundamentalist" NDP socialist reform alliance -- and you can drop the "conservative"
Tory crap.
bluealberta said:
The point about accepting transfer payments as a province and then providing tax cuts is an interesting one.
Yes it certainly is. So why don't you explain it with your vast knowledge of nothing? As per usual, the rural west finds out everything a generation late and still has no clue.
"Accepting" transfer payments? Why don't you opt out of them like Quebec has or slash and burn provincial services like Ontario has had to do, while raising provincial taxes, "conservatives" with no law enforcement, still using the "Mounties" we sent out 100 years ago
temporarily?
You not only take the transfer payments but bitch and kick and scream and cry every year for more and more handouts ... Then you bitch about federal taxes being too high as though the feds have geese laying golden eggs under magical money trees behind confederate mound; when provincial taxes are higher than federal taxes in every province no less.
"Even" in socialist Alberta with a "conservative surplus" of over $10.5 billion on only 3.2 million people (less in taxpayers) then bitching about the confederate feds using conservative economic forecasts to base budgets on (which the "conservatives" don't do; they use the most liberal economic forecasts around and still come up short, with their "hidden agenda" of having no clue how to do basic math and having no real platform, no real numbers, but even around the numbers they do release they run deficits using the most liberal economic forecasts around) while the federal government has/had, they dumped almost half of what Chretien took out of the military back, this year alone, paid down not only the interest but another $2 billion off the "federal" debt with south Ontario's taxes, paid all the transfers out by plundering $23 billion from south Ontario, $11 billlion from the City of Toronto alone, and only had $9.1 billion left out of that.
And they were going to give it back to the CITIES that are economic foundation/engines of the "federation" of planets of space cadets out there in the rural west, but the "conservative" socialists screwed that up with socialism.
bluealberta said:
I guess when you are getting the money, you really have no scruples as to how you use it. Maybe if the taxpayers of the province receiving the transfer payments actually knew the full cost, then they would not be so enamored of their left wing parties.
Maybe if you had a clue what "left-wing" or anything else meant you wouldn't make such ridiculous remarks. EVERY province and territory gets transfer payments. And plenty more than that outside "central Canada", which pays for all the transfers and your law enforcement and all kinds of crap over and above transfer payments.
But the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor region only gets pittances of its own taxes back in "transfer payments". The rest of you socialists have sucking off our teets ever since the Brits let you into our union.
And there's no obligation to have "scruples" around transfer payments. They're no strings attached grants that provincial/territorial governments do whatever they want with. It's called penalizing economic success to reward failure with zero accountability; which is worse than communism.
And it's no secret how much each sub-national government gets in transfers and how much they all bitch (other than Ontario, but $23 billion is a bit much and it's just marketing; we're finished with this hopeless mess) for more and more every year.
Nothing is ever supposed to get more in transfer payments (there's more than one transfer payment and I've already posted the amounts for 2005-06 and the link to find out anything about them; it's not my problem if people can't spend all of 15 minutes figuring out what they are and how they're supposed to be worked out) than the Ontario government has to spend on its own budgets/services/infrastructure, per capita as all transfers are worked out.
But Alberta blew that one back in the 1950's, collecting the worst transfer around, the equalization welfare handout transfer, which was only made official, the rules of it, in 1957.
Alberta collected it until 1964, until we bitched that enough was enough and that natural resources that provinces tax and oil companies pay royalties to provincial governments in exchange for land rights, shouldn't be able to keep 100% of their provincial/territorial revenues collected with 0% applied against natural resources.
So 70%, not even 100% of income from natural resources was applied against equalization welfare handouts (a transfer payment), which FINALLY got Alberta kicked off. And in its usual "conservativeness" it bitched and screamed and cried as though welfare was some investment program, when it's only around to keep people alive, when all the other transfers and other handouts still don't bring a provincial/territorial government's revenues, which it makes up itself, up to Ontario's provincial revenues -- per capita.
That's why no provincial government is ever supposed to have MORE revenues per capita than the Ontario government does -- but they all do, other than the mess around Quebec for opting out of the biggest transfer around, the CHST, Canada Health and Social Transfer, now the CHT and CST, split up for "more transparency" because Quebec got hosed and ended up paying more taxes per capita (not recieved back in transfers per capita) than Ontario was paying out per capita and they only fixed that up, barely, Quebec still pays the highest per capita in taxes out, never to be seen again and it ACTUALLY HAS A CAPITA, quite unlike the rest of this mess other than south Ontario, in 2001. And then they screwed them again.
B.C. is back on equalization welfare handouts, which are paid for entirely by south Ontario taxpayers. Its finance minister made no bones about it, not just paying its NDP deficit off but stating that B.C. would collect equalization welfare handouts well into the next decade until it has a specific $1.x billion SURPLUS.
bluealberta said:
Must be easy to keep getting transfer payments simply by reducing revenues by tax cuts.
Does that actually make sense to you? Every single province and territory gets "transfer payments". They're just pittances of tax returns for Ontario and Quebec, not "transfers" of anything else's money into our economies because it's mathematically impossible (and reality too) and always has been. We pay out and get pittances of our own taxes back, while every other jurisdiction gets our own taxes in real transfers.
Reducing revenues with tax cuts would get a provincial/territorial government MORE in transfers, not less. It's all BASED ON provincial revenues per capita (Alberta isn't even counted to work out the base on any transfers) so if you cut provincial revenues, you get more of our taxes in transfers not less.
And there's no accounability at all. Get $2 billion of our taxes or whatever it works out to, along with all the bitching every year for more and more, build a $2 billion money tree out of it as some tourist attaction, forget to hire security, get the money ripped off and you get $2 billion more the next QUARTER, no questions asked because you're out $2 billion in provincial (or territorial) revenues and the feds don't have any right to tell any provincial/territorial government what to do with transfer payments. It's totally up to all you socialists out there in the biggest scam around, which is part of the reason we don't about the lunch money in Quebec advertising campaign.
Over $10 billion a year goes out in "equalization" welfare handout transfers alone. That's a scam and Alberta is the biggest scammer around, that set the "conservative precedent" on the things as soon as some rules were actually made official on it, it broke every one of them with socialist screaming and crying.
But everything in is a scam for the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor region and particularly the Ontario section.
bluealberta said:
I sense that more and more "normal and average" Ontario taxpayers are starting to feel the same way about transfer payments as do a lot of Albertans.
Really? What Albertans? You don't even know what transfers are and your provincial "conservatives" are the biggest "socialist conservative" scammers around.
bluealberta said:
If this is true, and I for one hope it is, maybe there is hope for this country after all.
You already identified "the country" and there's plenty of hope for south Ontario and south Quebec (and NAFTA and even the rest of the Canadas) by putting the rest of this ... whatever it's supposed to be into a separate economic union, not exactly separate but close enough, let alone sorting the political structure out, which is exactly what we're going to do. There's no choice.
We can't maintain an economic union with the Outer Canadas anyway and that writing has been on the wall since before the "U.S." (economic regions that matter)-Windsor-Quebec City Corridor free trade agreement.
"Average people" are always the majority and you're in a little minority out in the middle of nowhere. You don't even know what "central Canada" is, you just know how to spew out propaganda.
But we are Canada, you got that straight.
