Stephen Harper has no reason to quit while he’s ahead

[Trex]

That's a foolish thing to say. Having a strong media presence is power, control, and influence. Trudeau announced he was removing Liberal Senators from the Liberal Caucus. What happened afterwards? The conversation shifted. Harper had eight years and did much less. Harper allies praised Trudeau's move. Trudeau has had less than a year, and made more news already than Harper did, and without any legislative changes to the Senate. You think power, control, and influence only come from within Parliament? That, is foolish.

You seem to think it is a foolish statement simply because you say it is.
And who left you in charge of public thought?

I said Justin Trudeau had less power, control and influence over Canada then the present leadership of the Government of Canada.
I also said Justin Trudeau had less, power control and influence over Canada then the present Official Opposition party and it's shadow cabinet.
Implicit but unstated in that post was that it was in regards to the governance of Canada, that goes to the thread starter title, the thread discussion itself and following that my post in particular.

I was not talking about media presenters/talking heads and various socially popular individuals of the day .
Nor was I talking about pop stars like Justin Bieber.
Or sports celebrities for that matter.
And of course these strong and popular media presences do attract attention and public notice.
Justin Trudeau fits right and like all other popular media presences is routinely offered up for public consumption and entertainment.
And yes popular media presences do influence public thought and trending ideas.
And so I suppose does the loudest guy in the local coffeeshop and even forum posters and bloggers.
None of which was I talking about in my post.

I was talking about the people who work the switches and levers of real power in Canada.
The people who make the laws of the land.
The people who fund or for that matter cut funding to the institutions of Canada and it's very infrastructure.
And that just ain't Justin Trudeau.
Maybe in a few years he will get his chance.

And as to the media tizzy created by Justin's public announcement that the Liberal Senators are no longer Liberals.
The reality is that the card carrying and dues paying Liberal senators still meet in the Liberal Senate caucus.
And that Liberal Senate cacaus is still lead by a man who goes by the official title of Leader of the Liberal Senate caucus.
But Justin says they are not actually Liberals.
Just kinda-sorta, maybe Liberals it seems.
Talk about a smoke screen and just prior to the Senate expense review coming down.
Foolishness, in my view, would be buying into cheap media shell games like this one.

OUCH!

I really appreciate your honesty

I checked my history and I have been on Canadian Content for more than seven years.

When I first got on I was new to forums and it took me a while to get the hang of it.

I find that discussions are the best way to find out what society thinks and any thoughts and beliefs that I might have started with is constantly changing as our society changes.

I come from the old days where life was simple, gays were an oddity and every Halloween the drag queens had their parade and were greeted with a barrage of fresh and rotten eggs but as time went on that changed due to their persistence and perseverance they got their message across to mainstream society that they were normal in a different way and with the law backing them up they are starting to abandon the gay ghettos moving into more traditional settings. One day the gays will lose their labels that society put on them and this is why forums are so important.

Women’s right to choose as far as abortion is concerned to me is wrong. I just do not agree with killing babies or future taxpayers. If someone kills a pregnant woman they are charged with two murders not one.

This federal Conservative government will re-open the abortion issue later this year. The House Of Commons will have a special debate on when life begins in the womb or when the child is born.
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I gave you a thumbs up for an very honest response.
And in general I tend not to do the thumb thing.

 

[BornRuff]

You seem to think it is a foolish statement simply because you say it is.
And who left you in charge of public thought?

I said Justin Trudeau had less power, ................

You are simply wrong on this one. The high profile that Justin has does give him influence over the government itself. The Conservatives are governing to win the next election, and they clearly see Justin as their largest threat. So whatever Justin does, the government has to respond and take action.

And as to the media tizzy created by Justin's public announcement that the Liberal Senators are no longer Liberals.
The reality is that the card carrying and dues paying Liberal senators still meet in the Liberal Senate caucus.
And that Liberal Senate cacaus is still lead by a man who goes by the official title of Leader of the Liberal Senate caucus.
But Justin says they are not actually Liberals.
Just kinda-sorta, maybe Liberals it seems.
Talk about a smoke screen and just prior to the Senate expense review coming down.
Foolishness, in my view, would be buying into cheap media shell games like this one.

I thought this at first too, but there is one key difference.

In the past for the Liberals, and the present for the Conservatives, senators served as key party organizers and fundraisers. The Liberals have severed those ties.

One of the Liberal senators was in charge of planning their policy convention this week, but he was told he was no longer needed.

I think it is a positive step to get Senators away from all that stuff.

 

[pgs]

You are simply wrong on this one. The high profile that Justin has does give him influence over the government itself. The Conservatives are governing to win the next election, and they clearly see Justin as their largest threat. So whatever Justin does, the government has to respond and take action.



I thought this at first too, but there is one key difference.

In the past for the Liberals, and the present for the Conservatives, senators served as key party organizers and fundraisers. The Liberals have severed those ties.

One of the Liberal senators was in charge of planning their policy convention this week, but he was told he was no longer needed.

I think it is a positive step to get Senators away from all that stuff.

I think it was a step away from the Liberal Senators expenses .

 

[Tonington]

You seem to think it is a foolish statement simply because you say it is.

No, I think it is foolish, and then I gave a series of events that happened and anyone can google to find out for themselves. I think it foolish that anyone would dismiss the persuasion of media over a sphere of Canada that is so dominated by public opinion. Domestic politics, much like foreign politics, is influenced by both hard and soft power. This should be clear to most, I would think.

If you're looking for an echo chamber where nobody will disagree with you, you're in the wrong forum.

And who left you in charge of public thought?

Don't be so dramatic...I was calling your statement foolish, I would never presume anything like you are suggesting. Does criticizing your comment mean I am in charge of pubic thought? Now who is inflating their opinion??? :roll:

 

[BornRuff]

I think it was a step away from the Liberal Senators expenses .

It is a step away from everything to do with the Senate.

 

[darkbeaver]

No, I think it is foolish, and then I gave a series of events that happened and anyone can google to find out for themselves. I think it foolish that anyone would dismiss the persuasion of media over a sphere of Canada that is so dominated by public opinion. Domestic politics, much like foreign politics, is influenced by both hard and soft power. This should be clear to most, I would think.

If you're looking for an echo chamber where nobody will disagree with you, you're in the wrong forum.



Don't be so dramatic...I was calling your statement foolish, I would never presume anything like you are suggesting. Does criticizing your comment mean I am in charge of pubic thought? Now who is inflating their opinion??? :roll:

I can verify that you are not in fact in charge of public thought, if there is such a thing.

Public thought would be like vague subconscious stirrings about cheezeburgers and polka dot thongs.

If Harper quit now he might avoid prosecution for treason.

 

[Trex]

You are simply wrong on this one. The high profile that Justin has does give him influence over the government itself. The Conservatives are governing to win the next election, and they clearly see Justin as their largest threat. So whatever Justin does, the government has to respond and take action.

Pure deflection.
How is my statement wrong?
I clearly defined what I was talking about in regards to this thread and then you quoted my post.
The Government of Canada.
Thus please explain how Justin Trudeau creates and then passes bills in the house, researches and then changes or presents and passes new laws within the Canadian legal system or controls the federal budget of Canada.
He does not.
And how Stephen Harper and the Conservatives do not act as the official leadership of this country and pass all bills, budgets and laws regarding running the country.
They do.
Thus your post is pure deflection (once again) and completely in error.
When you quote me please debate me on what I have posted and not some deflected topic you have whipped out of thin air like pending future elections.
I am well aware that Justin Trudeau and other media personalities like Neil Young have media influence.
I am also aware and recognize that when Justin Trudeau finally releases his campaign platform in the upcoming Federal election it will affect how the Conservatives
present their future campaign platform.
All of which has nothing to do with the fact, as I stated in my prior posts that Justin Trudeau has **** all to do with running the governement of Canada in the here and now.
He passes no bills, he creates or passes no laws and he funds or defunds no departments.


I thought this at first too, but there is one key difference.

In the past for the Liberals, and the present for the Conservatives, senators served as key party organizers and fundraisers. The Liberals have severed those ties.

One of the Liberal senators was in charge of planning their policy convention this week, but he was told he was no longer needed.

I think it is a positive step to get Senators away from all that stuff.

On your above point
So the card carrying, dues paying, Liberal senate; all of which are members of the Liberal Senate caucus led by the official Leader of the Liberal Senate caucus are not actually, really, deep down Liberals according to Justin?
And all this just coincidentally prior to the release of a Senate expense report?
And somehow it all is made right with you because Justin has claimed that he has severed ties with a couple of well know Liberal bagmen that happen to be Liberal senators?
Trust me on this one, the Liberals have more bagmen than ticks on a summer moose.
And conversely the Conservatives have more bagmen than blades of grass on an 18 hole golf course.
Neither of which means anything.
The bottom line is that it's all smoke and mirrors by the well known media personality Justin Trudeau.

 

[BornRuff]

On your above point
So the card carrying, dues paying, Liberal senate; all of which are members of the Liberal Senate caucus led by the official Leader of the Liberal Senate caucus are not actually, really, deep down Liberals according to Justin?
And all this just coincidentally prior to the release of a Senate expense report?
And somehow it all is made right with you because Justin has claimed that he has severed ties with a couple of well know Liberal bagmen that happen to be Liberal senators?
Trust me on this one, the Liberals have more bagmen than ticks on a summer moose.
And conversely the Conservatives have more bagmen than blades of grass on an 18 hole golf course.
Neither of which means anything.
The bottom line is that it's all smoke and mirrors by the well known media personality Justin Trudeau.

Lol, can you read?

Nobody said everything was solved. I said it was a step in the right direction.

Do you not agree that senators should not be party fundraisers and organizers?