Stephane Who?

[Cobalt_Kid]

Dion, has no control over his party.

The Conservatives have done a great job of getting his impression intact with the ignorants.

Face it, alot of people are ignorant to politics and vote blindly... and to the average joe, the impression of Dion is:

1) Barely speaks English
2) Can't make descision
3) Can't debate: "This is unfair! This is unfair!"
4) Can't control party
5) Can't relate to people

Dion, doesn't have a good impression with the general ignorant public.

The Libs. made a bad choice IMO, and they will pay with it by handing Harper another minority or barely majority.

I like minorities though, the keep people accountable.

Regardless of party, when you have had a majority and go into your 2nd majority your corrupt as heck... look at Mulroney and Chretien... CORRUPTION!

ONCE AGAIN IS THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE CHARLES ADLER FROM CJOB 68, 680 AM WINNIPEG!!?

I really want to know.. because if it is, I like the guy.

One more time for the slow: we're at the peak cycle of a highly orchastrated media campaign run by the Conservatives against Dion. Is there any wonder his image is seen in a negative light, Mother Teresa would look bad after being smeared in this manner.

It's all a matter of time, the media has a notoriously short attention span nowadays and Dion just has to maintain his stance. He's been driving the agenda for months, or we wouldn't even be talking about him. Doesn't anyone find it a little weird all the time and effort being expended to prove that Dion isn't worthy of any time or effort. People should actually try to think for themselves for a change, I know it's painful at first, but it can be a liberating experience.

 

[eh1eh]

:wave: I agree Westmanguy, the public is ignorant. So either way they usally just pick with their heart but sometimes their heart is swayed by just what they see in the media. It is unfortunate that people can't see past TV commercials. It is a disgrace to our political system.

 

[CDNBear]

One more time for the slow: we're at the peak cycle of a highly orchastrated media campaign run by the Conservatives against Dion. Is there any wonder his image is seen in a negative light, Mother Teresa would look bad after being smeared in this manner.

It's all a matter of time, the media has a notoriously short attention span nowadays and Dion just has to maintain his stance. He's been driving the agenda for months, or we wouldn't even be talking about him. Doesn't anyone find it a little weird all the time and effort being expended to prove that Dion isn't worthy of any time or effort. People should actually try to think for themselves for a change, I know it's painful at first, but it can be a liberating experience.

I think for myself.

Just because I think Dion is a boob, does not mean I'm not capable of free thought, nor does it mean I was brainwashed by the MSM.

So if we all dropped to our collective knees and praised Dion, we would somehow suddenly be enlightend free thinkers???

One more time for the truly slow. The man had enough time as minister of the environment to do something or raise the alarm that the PMO was not permitting him, he didn't, he's a hack, he's a tow the line Liberal. Kinda like yourself. If you aren't with us you must be brainwashed by the right wing MSM, oh give us a break!!!

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I think for myself.

Just because I think Dion is a boob, does not mean I'm not capable of free thought, nor does it mean I was brainwashed by the MSM.

So if we all dropped to our collective knees and praised Dion, we would somehow suddenly be enlightend free thinkers???

One more time for the truly slow. The man had enough time as minister of the environment to do something or raise the alarm that the PMO was not permitting him, he didn't, he's a hack, he's a tow the line Liberal. Kinda like yourself. If you aren't with us you must be brainwashed by the right wing MSM, oh give us a break!!!

I don't care if Dion is an imperfect human, that's not the point here. We have an entire government with huge resources focused on destroying the image of a man for political purposes.

I'm much more concerned with what Harper and his minions are up to, they're the ones in office. All this Dion stuff is a smoke screen so we don't look to closely at what's going on in our own government.

On a personal level, I chose Dion for PM any day over Harper. At least he does appears to be human, the same can't be said about Harper.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't care if Dion is an imperfect human, that's not the point here. We have an entire government with huge resources focused on destroying the image of a man for political purposes.

I'm much more concerned with what Harper and his minions are up to, they're the ones in office. All this Dion stuff is a smoke screen so we don't look to closely at what's going on in our own government.

On a personal level, I chose Dion for PM any day over Harper. At least he does appears to be human, the same can't be said about Harper.

What has Harpo done that is so inhuman, or are you just going to post the same ol' same ol' Liberal propoganda.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

This is just more evidence of conservative mean-spritiveness in the same vein as the adds making fun of Cretiens' disability back in 1993. As far as I'm concerned it shows how unfit they are to govern in a democracy.

Harper has shown the contempt he has for the electorate with his sleezy backroom deal with Emerson days after the last election. He disenfranchiased thousands of Canadians without a qualm. His heavy handed tactics have even alienated many farmers, one of the firmest conservative blocks.

And now we're being told how important it is to see Dion in a clear light, give me a break. I want to know what the current government is up to, not some theory they have about what Dion might do in power.

Dion will come through this even stronger because of the integrity he has shown under fire. He makes me proud to be Canadian in ways Harper never will.

 

[westmanguy]

Yeah, it seems I am ignorant, stupid, and not a free-thinker if I like Harper and vote Conservative.

Dion will never be able to take power: because lets admit it people, to many ignorant people who vote with their gut.

And Dion, to the ignorant, is not a great pick.

Besides the left is divided by Liberal/NDP/Green. Bloc hurts the Conservatives....

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Yeah, it seems I am ignorant, stupid, and not a free-thinker if I like Harper and vote Conservative.

Dion will never be able to take power: because lets admit it people, to many ignorant people who vote with their gut.

And Dion, to the ignorant, is not a great pick.

Besides the left is divided by Liberal/NDP/Green. Bloc hurts the Conservatives....

And blah, blah, blah...

Harper has a lot more to prove than Dion does. He had a chance to meet voters expectations in the last year but he's spent more time building up his little security fortress in the PMO. The guy's a complete control freak and is a lot more damaging to our democracy than the Liberals ever were.

 

[westmanguy]

A lot more damaging.

Blah, blah, blah

You realize the rein of corruption we had through Chretien?

He was so used to his majorities that the Liberal party became so corrup and what did we get? Sponsership scandal.

IMO the Liberal party was a bigger threat to our democracy when they were in charge.

Liberal voters seem to buy into this ploy/plot that the Conservatives are so "evil"... its sad really.

Thing I like the most... Harper kept the promises where he could. Look what Chretien got with the GST promise? Oh what about the Kyoto accord that skyrocketed under the Liberal rein, and now Liberals point fingers and the Conservatives.

I am so sick of the Liberals, Conservatives are such a big breath of fresh air.

You go live in you dream world, where Liberals are flawless in all circumstances and Conservatives are flawed in every circumstance. I see it alot with Liberal voters, its nothing new.

 

[wallyj]

Dion is NOT a control freak. Gee,today his liberals either voted for his backroom deal or he would refuse to sign thier nomination papers,effectively tossing them out of the party. At least he did stand up to his end of the deal with Bains that saved his father-in-law the embarrassment of testifying . Way to go Stephane,you have made papa jean proud.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

If Harper had actually taken the issue of accountability in government seriously Dion wouldn't even be an issue. Instead Harper took steps to weaken the press in Canada and muzzle his own MPs so we know even less of what's going on in government than under the Liberals. He's more interested in POWER than good governance.

So keep bashing on Dion like it's all his fault. The conservatives have had a year to turn the direction of politics around in Canada, but all they've done is dig the trenches deeper.

 

[Fingertrouble]

If Harper had actually taken the issue of accountability in government seriously Dion wouldn't even be an issue. Instead Harper took steps to weaken the press in Canada and muzzle his own MPs so we know even less of what's going on in government than under the Liberals. He's more interested in POWER than good governance.

So keep bashing on Dion like it's all his fault. The conservatives have had a year to turn the direction of politics around in Canada, but all they've done is dig the trenches deeper.

Actually it was the Liberals who were holding up the accountability act with all the amendments they kept trying to get on commitee. Probably because they are afraid of other Liberal scandals that could be out there.....

 

[snowles]

Face it, alot of people are ignorant to politics and vote blindly.

Wait a second; I told you exactly that two days ago and you went into a fevered pitch, butching to me that I was calling Canadians stupid, and how it "was not very nice." In fact, you foolishly tried to lecture me by failing to grasp what ignorance actually was. Good to see you can have it both ways - nice job troll.

In fact, the conversation went exactly like this:

Me: The average voter is already so ignorant when it comes to party politics and which candidates stand for what issues that I shudder at the thought of adding another level of government for them to think about at the polls.
You: snowles.. your saying the majority of Canadians are stupid on the political issues. How nice is that? So you basically saying: "The people are not smart enough to elect their senate, so we'll do it for them."
Me: Yeah, I am saying many Canadians are "stupid" when it comes to voting, and I'm not lying - I even showed you how many people vote for some really marginalized platforms with little regard for its consequences or afterthoughts. I'm not sure of your education, but ignorance does not mean stupidity; it means sheltered. Few people attend debates between local candidates, and many remain apathetic on the issues presented. The issues are lost under piles of soundbites, campaign stops and empty rhetoric, and it creates a voter who either doesn't vote, or votes in a traditional pattern, without going through party literature or engaging in debates.

Do you ever stop and think about the garbage that spews forth?

 

[snowles]

Actually it was the Liberals who were holding up the accountability act with all the amendments they kept trying to get on commitee. Probably because they are afraid of other Liberal scandals that could be out there.....

Hey, I forgot who was actually now the governing party of Canada; how many investigations into the Liberal Party have been begun by the Harper government since he took power? What happened with Ralph Goodale and income trusts, an empty accusation which was the nail in the 2006 election's coffin? You're grasping at straws, and not even very good ones at that.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Actually it was the Liberals who were holding up the accountability act with all the amendments they kept trying to get on commitee. Probably because they are afraid of other Liberal scandals that could be out there.....

It wasn't a priority with Harper, the Emerson affair days after the last election made it clear just how important ethical government is to Harper. If anything he's even more sleezy than any Liberal leader. The conservatives should have ditched the louse before they took us into that wonderful Christmas election that was going to bring such a positive change to our government. He didn't even have the guts to bring the house down himself, he talked Layton into it. Like most control freaks he lacks personal courage.

 

[snowles]

Thing I like the most... Harper kept the promises where he could. Look what Chretien got with the GST promise? Oh what about the Kyoto accord that skyrocketed under the Liberal rein, and now Liberals point fingers and the Conservatives.

I am so sick of the Liberals, Conservatives are such a big breath of fresh air.

So lemme get this straight. The Conservatives try to do what they, and in your words - where they could - within their circumstances, and that is, in your opinion "a breah of fresh air." The Liberals try to do what they can, again - where they could - within their circumstances, they're the scum of the earth; not only that, but those who vote for them are delusional sheeps and idiots. Yeah, right....

You go live in you dream world, where Liberals are flawless in all circumstances and Conservatives are flawed in every circumstance. I see it alot with Liberal voters, its nothing new.

Pot, meet kettle. Maybe if you weren't so needlessly arrogant (especially since you lack any substance to back it) you could see that. You're a right-wing troll (and not even a very good one at that) looking to provoke, and it's getting tiresome.

 

[Doryman]

One more time for the slow: we're at the peak cycle of a highly orchastrated media campaign run by the Conservatives against Dion. Is there any wonder his image is seen in a negative light, Mother Teresa would look bad after being smeared in this manner.

It's all a matter of time, the media has a notoriously short attention span nowadays and Dion just has to maintain his stance. He's been driving the agenda for months, or we wouldn't even be talking about him. Doesn't anyone find it a little weird all the time and effort being expended to prove that Dion isn't worthy of any time or effort. People should actually try to think for themselves for a change, I know it's painful at first, but it can be a liberating experience.

What would you say if I told you I didn't like Dion even when he was going for the Lib leadership, and I was a fan of Ignatieff? Would you say that I fell victim to Conservative propagande being sprouted by the Iron-Fisted fascists in the thrall of errr... Iggy and Bob Rae?


Maybe you should accept that people have different opinions, and not accuse all those who disagree with you of being brainwashed. You argue against dictatorship, but you're appointing yourself the thought police pretty quick, aren't you?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

What would you say if I told you I didn't like Dion even when he was going for the Lib leadership, and I was a fan of Ignatieff? Would you say that I fell victim to Conservative propagande being sprouted by the Iron-Fisted fascists in the thrall of errr... Iggy and Bob Rae?


Maybe you should accept that people have different opinions, and not accuse all those who disagree with you of being brainwashed. You argue against dictatorship, but you're appointing yourself the thought police pretty quick, aren't you?

Last time I checked I NEVER said anyone was brainwashed so STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

It's people like you that are trying to control the debate. Jerk.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Hey Dorkyman, I see you're from the rock. Maybe you're like this fascist alanticaparty who wants to end our democracy and replace it with Harper and his right-wing "small group of elites". Don't be surprised when people like me who value our democracy get a little peeved at complete ****** *******
who want to take away our freedom. Must be my Scots blood, but I hate ******* like that.

 

[temperance]

Hey. Why didn't I think of that? We should all vote according to looks.

I'm voting for that chick with the big black glasses --oh what's her name --I always like when you cant see thier eyes