SRT* (an another interpretation)

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So, Doc. Are we going nake it back to the future alright then?

So, if EM force is about 10^36 more powerful than gravitational force,
then a few electrons wouldn't allow gravity to gather all masses of universe
into a singular point and later create the modern and famous BB theory.
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So, if EM force is about 10^36 more powerful than gravitational force,
then a few electrons wouldn't allow gravity to gather all masses of universe
into a singular point and later create the modern and famous BB theory.
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Black Berry theory
 

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Was Einstein wrong?
Paul Davies 2003:
The idea of a variable speed of light, championed
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Einstein's famous equation E=mc^2 is the only scientific formula
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It is one of the most fundamental of the basic constants of physics. Or is it?
In recent years a few maverick scientists have claimed that the speed of light
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In 1908 Minkowski showed that everything that happened in SRT took
place in an absolute 4-dimensions spacetime. This solution was adopted
by all scientific community.
However, if SRT explains some real quantum action, then the mathematical absolute
4-dimensions spacetime also must be some real absolute reference frame,
but in the books about SRT it is impossible to find the real
(not mathematical) image of 4-dimensions spacetime.
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darkbeaver

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Electromagnetic force is about 10^36 more powerful than gravitational force.
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Yes it is but gravity is indevisable from the electromagnetic force.

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/02/21/gravity-in-the-electric-universe-space-news/

Gravity in the electric universe. A very interesting short lecture.

"If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” Halton Arp one of of the greatest scientist ever. see redshift
 

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Yes it is but gravity is indevisable from the electromagnetic force.

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/02/21/gravity-in-the-electric-universe-space-news/

Gravity in the electric universe. A very interesting short lecture.

"If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education,
then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.”
Halton Arp one of of the greatest scientist ever. see redshift

Gravity in the Electric Universe
Where does gravity fit in the electric universe?
Contrary to a fairly common misperception, the electric universe does not deny
gravity’s existence, nor its role in the cosmos and our own world.
Rather, the electric universe theory, as proposed by physicist Wal Thornhill,
suggests that the fundamental mysteries of gravity may be explained
by the electrical structure of matter.

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/02/21/gravity-in-the-electric-universe-space-news/

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My opinion.
Zero Vacuum (T=0K) is itself some kind of an Infinity Energy continuum ( universe).
Where does gravity fit in the infinity T=0K electric-energy universe?

a) according to quantum theory the Zero Vacuum (T=0K) being energy continuum
can create only potential - virtual negative energy particles: -E=Mc^2.
b) these potential - virtual negative energy particles: -E=Mc^2 somehow
can transformed themselves into real energetic particles: E=h*f
c) these real energetic particles somehow can create local gravity - solar system.
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Gravity is indivisible from the electromagnetic force.
To create local gravity - solar system is needed EM force.
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darkbeaver

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A strange new world of light.
Date:
November 2, 2017
Source:
Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences

There's nothing new thing under the sun -- except maybe light itself.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171102141857.htm
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That's very interesting. EM , magnetism is the transverse carrier of E the longitudinal carrier. CRPP Current Resistance Permittivity Permeability
Permeability= quantity measuring the influence of a substance on the magnetic flux in the region it occupies.
permittivity=the ability of a substance to store electrical energy in an electric field.

I think that's how it goes, if I remember correctly.
And there are no electrons.
 

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... EM , magnetism is the transverse carrier of E the longitudinal carrier
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I think that's how it goes, if I remember correctly.
The usual symbols are E for the electric field, B for the magnetic field, you can see them in the equations engraved on the pedestal that supports the statue of James Clerk Maxwell in Edinburgh. Both are vector quantities, usually indicated in text by bolding them, they are both transverse and at a right angle to each other, and the wave propagates in the direction given by their cross product, ExB, which by definition will be at a right angle to both of them. That's straightforwardly derivable from Maxwell's equations, which also contain the critical clue to SRT, the constancy of the speed of light.
 

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Re: SRT (an another interpretation)

Sorry, I want to rewrite my post.
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1. Light quanta move trough an absolute aether medium: T=0K.
a) this was Maxwell and Lorenz point of view.
b) Minkowski hid this absolute aether medium into mathematical unity
of 4D spacetime (an other name is : negative -2D Pseudo-Euclidian space)

2) the speed of quantum of light in zero vacuum (T=0K) is constant (c=1)

3) all movements (including the constant speed of quantum of light)
are relative motions in the respect to an absolute aether medium T=0K.

4) It is possible if constant speed of quantum of light is minimal and
quantum of light can have speed faster than minimal (c>1).
(tachyon solution).

5) the speed of quantum of light is independent of its source.
It is possible only if the source of its speed is self-quantum action (h or h/2pi).
The result of self-quantum action is described by Lorenz transformations.
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Why would the speed of light through something that is not a a vacuum be different?? If one beam of light is not reflected from it's path it should show no change in speed. Light that is reflected should interact with the host as far as direction adding to or taking away from the original speed the light was traveling. Perhaps light acts like air moving over a plane's wing in that it splits only for the time it takes to pass over the wing's surface.
If you want faster than light travel you need to allow yourself to be caught up in the plasma stream that gets ejected at the poles of every spiral galaxy. Once the desired velocity is reached you 'exit' the gravitational field in the direction your destination is in. It is also the only know way to exit a spiral galaxy before you are over the event horizon. (which would send you to the other side where ever that leads to.
 

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Why would the speed of light through something that is not a a vacuum be different??
Because different things are happening. Light passing through a substance interacts with it at the quantum level, which in the simplest terms can be understood as it being constantly absorbed and re-emitted, and that slows it down.
 

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The usual symbols are E for the electric field, B for the magnetic field, you can see them in the equations engraved on the pedestal that supports the statue of James Clerk Maxwell in Edinburgh. Both are vector quantities, usually indicated in text by bolding them, they are both transverse and at a right angle to each other, and the wave propagates in the direction given by their cross product, ExB, which by definition will be at a right angle to both of them. That's straightforwardly derivable from Maxwell's equations, which also contain the critical clue to SRT, the constancy of the speed of light.

Thankyou, I will read a bit this evening and try for better understanding. I'm confused about the two separate fields you mention because as I understand E and M they do not exist autonomously. Am I wrong?
 

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Thankyou, I will read a bit this evening and try for better understanding.
I'm confused about the two separate fields you mention because as
I understand E and M they do not exist autonomously.
Am I wrong?

E can exist autonomously,
M can exist autonomously.
Their unity were shown in Ørsted and Faraday's famous experiments.

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Dexter Sinister

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Thankyou, I will read a bit this evening and try for better understanding. I'm confused about the two separate fields you mention because as I understand E and M they do not exist autonomously. Am I wrong?
They can exist autonomously if they're constant, but a changing electric field induces a magnetic field, and vice versa, a changing magnetic field induces an electric field. A close analysis will show that the magnetic field is actually a relativistic effect of electric charges in motion. I've got that all somewhere in my notes from my second year class in EM theory--Physics 217 it was called--and I'm pretty sure it's in one of the three volumes, I think the second one, of The Feynman Lectures on Physics.
 

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Because different things are happening. Light passing through a substance interacts with it at the quantum level, which in the simplest terms can be understood as it being constantly absorbed and re-emitted, and that slows it down.
According to science gravity can attract light. Just on that point alone the speed of light when it first leaves the sun would be as fast as it ever goes and from that moment on the gravitational forces of the sun would be slowing it down. How much slower would it be going when it left the solar system and if it happens to be headed for the center of the galaxy what is it's speed when it is at the core?
Heat can be absorbed and re-emitted, light is reflected and that may not have any interaction at all other than making the path longer as it can never be made shorter.


If the material that light is interacting with happens to be going in the same direction does light pick up speed and lose it when it interacts with the material that is coming towards it?
 

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ID say stick with Einsteins 2 postulates until proven wrong.
- the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference.
- the speed of light in vacuum space has the same value c in all inertial frames of reference.

But I am intrigued by the tachyon hypothesis.