spain creeps past canada

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Spain should push for G8 membership: thinktank

MADRID - Spain should push to be a member of the Group of Eight (G8) club of leading economies now that its output has surpassed that of G8 member Canada, an influential thinktank said on Monday.

The Financial Studies Foundation presented a study setting out Spain‘s credentials to be part of the G8 at a meeting of its board, which includes some of Spain‘s top business executives.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the foundation‘s honorary chairman, also attended.

"The Financial Studies Foundation will support Spain‘s presence in the Group of Eight most industrialized countries...," the group said in a statement.

The World Bank ‘s 2004 ranking of countries by Gross Domestic Product, released in July, showed Spain had overtaken Canada to become the world‘s eighth-biggest economy.

Spain‘s economy, in its 12th year of uninterrupted growth, produced just under $1 trillion of output in 2004, according to the World Bank figures. China‘s sharp upwards revision of its output last week still left Spain in the eighth slot.

The G8 includes the United States, Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Canada and Russia.

The study, directed by University of Navarre professor Luis Ravina, said Spain met the requirements to enter the G8 and that Spain‘s presence in international financial bodies should increase significantly, in line with its international weight.

"Access to the G8 and other groups of countries must be a constant demand of Spain," Ravina said.

However, he noted, "it‘s clear that clubs tend to want to have few members with rights."

The study points out that the main obstacle to Spain joining the G8 is that its membership would not make the group more representative at a world level.

Since four European Union members (Britain, France, Germany and Italy) already belong to the G8, the United States and Japan would oppose Spain, another EU member, joining, it said.

There was also the argument that the euro zone -- of which Spain, France, Germany and Italy are members -- should speak with a single voice, it said.

Short of individual membership, Spain‘s influence in international groupings should be increased through euro zone representation in such groups, the study said.

In his speech to the foundation, Zapatero did not say whether he supported Spanish membership of the G8.

But he noted that the emergence of new economic powers in the last 15 years had made the Group of Seven (the G8 without Russia) less relevant.

He said important new international groups were taking shape, such as the G20, which includes the G8 countries, leading developing nations such as China, India and Brazil, and the EU. The G20 accounts for nearly 90 percent of world output, he said.

"Spain must be an active member of the new world that is being created. Spain needs ideas and thoughts on the role we must play in the world and on the kind of institutions we need and want," Zapatero added.
 

Lotuslander

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Cortez wrote

Spain‘s economy, in its 12th year of uninterrupted growth, produced just under $1 trillion of output in 2004, according to the World Bank figures. China‘s sharp upwards revision of its output last week still left Spain in the eighth slot.

Canadian GDP passed the 1 trillion US$ mark some years ago (2 or 3 I can't remember). Currently with the lower US$ I believe our GDP would be closer to 1.2 trillion US$.

The CIA fact book has Canadian GDP at 1,023,000,000 US$ for 2005

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html

I think what you are seeing here is simply propaganda by the Spanish government which has long wanted to paly a larger role in international and Europena affairs. Sadly since 1898 Spain has been nothing more than a third rate power, I think they are still sulking over that defeat.
 

sanch

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About what blaming it on the conservatives? I was being facetious. We are referring to 2004-2005 numbers are we not?
 

Jay

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Their success is probably due to tax reform.
 

cortez

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Lotuslander said:
Cortez wrote

Spain‘s economy, in its 12th year of uninterrupted growth, produced just under $1 trillion of output in 2004, according to the World Bank figures. China‘s sharp upwards revision of its output last week still left Spain in the eighth slot.

Canadian GDP passed the 1 trillion US$ mark some years ago (2 or 3 I can't remember). Currently with the lower US$ I believe our GDP would be closer to 1.2 trillion US$.

The CIA fact book has Canadian GDP at 1,023,000,000 US$ for 2005

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html

I think what you are seeing here is simply propaganda by the Spanish government which has long wanted to paly a larger role in international and Europena affairs. Sadly since 1898 Spain has been nothing more than a third rate power, I think they are still sulking over that defeat.


i think you are right that the defeat of 1898 put spain into a tail dive-----
im pretty sure though that the defeat of the 1898 is no longer part of the average spaniards consciousness--
from the ones ive met-- the war that still hurts -- was the spanish civil war circa 1936
since the death of franco though my understanding is that its basically got its act together increasing democratisation-- european integration and--- steadily increasing GDP --- so that as the artical says its economy is now ranked 8th-- i think thats an independant ranking not a propagandist fiction.

i posted it because i sometimes detect a little complacency in canadians -- economic status-- and its interesting that a country who-- one might not normally associated with a top ten gdp ranking could be overtaking canada-- at least as far as these economic parameters go.

also -because im getting tired of hearing only about france and britian on these euro theads--

lets move around a bit--
tomorrow-- maybe italy...
 

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In recent years the government has pursued a program of wide-ranging economic reforms, designed to make the economy more outward-looking and internationally competitive. Key elements have included liberalisation and deregulation of the economy, large scale privatisation of state enterprises, cutbacks in government expenditure, income tax cuts and some labour market reforms.

http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/spain/spain_brief.html
 

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Jersay said:
You know Spain is socialist right. They are probably spending like the liberals in Canada do.

Yes they are Socialist at the moment, when Spain joined the EU in the late 1980's it was considered the ghetto of Europe (right above Portugal) after years of "socialist rule". Then the center-right came to power, and generated rapid growth rate, until, can you guess? The Socialists came back and economic growth plunged again.
 

cortez

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humm
the current government - is the socialist party
but i dont belive they are really -- socialist-- i think your right they are considered center- left-- like the liberals here-- not even the NDP-- even though they are called socialist--
i geuss they are like the british labour party

but prior to that i think they had 8 year of the center right party

and beforee that socialist again

i dont think that the econimic growth is really related to the party in power-- its more a game of catch up--

i really have no idea whether their spending policies are more responsable than ours
 

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Jersay said:
If they are plunging how are they at a higher GDP than Canada's?

They went from 4.0% growth to 2.4%, look it up, I read it somewhere recently. When the center right came to power they privatized nearly everything.
 

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Spain does not really have much of a chance for a couple of decades.
Their cut and running from Iraq immediately after the train bombings has fallout and consequences.