ITN I'm reading a book right know where the guy says that Russia was courting Nasser But had no real influence Its called Breaking With Moscow very interesting look at the world through .The Russian goverments eyes 8)
So You Think You Know Whats Really Going On In Iraq?
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I've actually read it mrmom. I don't buy alot of the things it says, but I always pick and choose things that are common sense. And it does raise certain points. The Soviets at that time were supplying everything from a bullet to jet aircraft to Egypt. When Nasser kicked the bucket and Sadat (or however his name is spelt) took over, the KGB was all over the place. In fact, Sadat had to meet with the US ambassador in private so the KGB wouldn't notice. Bah, this is about the neocons, burn the f***kers.
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Check out Gwynne Dyer's book, "Future: Tense - The Coming World Order" Excellent book on the neo-con's agenda.
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Check out Gwynne Dyer's book, "Future: Tense - The Coming World Order" Excellent book on the neo-con's agenda.
I like him 8) He's a real thorn in the side of the Neocons
I wish there were more old school reporters like him .All we have now are guys on the take :x
The neo-cons had a secret agenda ?
Then how do all of you significant people know about it?
Your agenda would put complete faith in the porous containment of Saddam which would:
1. allow the UN Food for Oil to finance another palace.
2. pay off another family losing a child wanting to be a suicide bombers to the ultimate liars of the world, the hate-minder of the Palestinian terrorism industry.
3. pay for the continual state sponsoring of hate
4. pay for the nazi nightmare of families not trusting their own members for fear of being "turned in" to Saddam.
5. maintain this festering status quo until Saddam dies and so we face 5 to 10 years from now a worse situation than what we face now.
6. and give France (if you look back at the headlines 2 years before the war) wanting to end the embargo so it can recoup the debt Saddam owed them
And now Europe in its moral indignation, far from wanting to give this new Iraq, this new country a chance, still want back some of the debt Saddam owed them.
Not all the debt of European contracts has been forgiven.
There's a lot of evil here to ponder.
But it's fashionable to ponder only that evil which is fashionable.
Moral indignation on this board is correct on many of its misgivings of American actions, but has HUGE gaping blind spots.
But beyond looking at the current situation where we consider nationalism and jingoism to be bad so much that we support worldwide government, we will beget a new paradox, where terrorism will be the only real check on that worldwide govt.
Be careful what you wish for when nations no longer exist.
I'd rather have the nation-state conflict of checks than something we have not even remotely imagined.
Then how do all of you significant people know about it?
Your agenda would put complete faith in the porous containment of Saddam which would:
1. allow the UN Food for Oil to finance another palace.
2. pay off another family losing a child wanting to be a suicide bombers to the ultimate liars of the world, the hate-minder of the Palestinian terrorism industry.
3. pay for the continual state sponsoring of hate
4. pay for the nazi nightmare of families not trusting their own members for fear of being "turned in" to Saddam.
5. maintain this festering status quo until Saddam dies and so we face 5 to 10 years from now a worse situation than what we face now.
6. and give France (if you look back at the headlines 2 years before the war) wanting to end the embargo so it can recoup the debt Saddam owed them
And now Europe in its moral indignation, far from wanting to give this new Iraq, this new country a chance, still want back some of the debt Saddam owed them.
Not all the debt of European contracts has been forgiven.
There's a lot of evil here to ponder.
But it's fashionable to ponder only that evil which is fashionable.
Moral indignation on this board is correct on many of its misgivings of American actions, but has HUGE gaping blind spots.
But beyond looking at the current situation where we consider nationalism and jingoism to be bad so much that we support worldwide government, we will beget a new paradox, where terrorism will be the only real check on that worldwide govt.
Be careful what you wish for when nations no longer exist.
I'd rather have the nation-state conflict of checks than something we have not even remotely imagined.
It suits you to think that way.
You cannot possibly understand that there are other valid, sincere points other than your own.
You cannot possibly understand that there are other valid, sincere points other than your own.
More good news for the Iraqi's coutesy of the US
http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/du_deformities.htm
http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/du_deformities.htm
Corporations have a huge role in many issues, and it's usually a role that controls even the governments decisions. I'd suggest readin Naomi Klein's "No Logo: Taking Aim at the Brand Bullies." It's definately changed the way I myself look at the world.
US checkpoints in Iraq ?
Well, that is interesting, accurate, truthful, but still not the whole story.
Whenever the whole story is included in an honest fashion, it will most notably note 20 to 30 years from now comment on the fact that the entire world did not want to dirty one finger, risk one life, to help this new country of Iraq gain a new chance.
Of course it will be noted that the world's reason for not helping is because of American lies.
But think about that.
Just think about that.
The indignation that will be most honored is not yours about American bungling, but rather the indignation that is most misunderstood by the entire world is the indignation of native Iraqis, be they the Kurds (who asked Woodrow Wilson at the Versailles peace treaty to support giving them a nation), or Sunnis over the de-Bathification, or by the Shiites who are the significant majority.
The process has started, thankfully.
The process of native Iraqi indignation is how could their neighbors and their own people kill fellow Iraqis?
If the insurgency is to survive ultimately, it would do better for their cause to continue to kill Americans and not their fellow sisters and brothers.
And for their cause to survive I will know in my heart that killing Americans will not give their country a new real chance.
And so do all of you.
All of you know it.
But you are still too stuck on American sin to give a higher priority for the older generations of Iraqis who want to have a new life while threatened by their own progeny paid for by rich Arab neighbors.
What I've said here doesn't play well.
But if you were all sincere, you would consider it to be the biggest elephant in the room.
Well, that is interesting, accurate, truthful, but still not the whole story.
Whenever the whole story is included in an honest fashion, it will most notably note 20 to 30 years from now comment on the fact that the entire world did not want to dirty one finger, risk one life, to help this new country of Iraq gain a new chance.
Of course it will be noted that the world's reason for not helping is because of American lies.
But think about that.
Just think about that.
The indignation that will be most honored is not yours about American bungling, but rather the indignation that is most misunderstood by the entire world is the indignation of native Iraqis, be they the Kurds (who asked Woodrow Wilson at the Versailles peace treaty to support giving them a nation), or Sunnis over the de-Bathification, or by the Shiites who are the significant majority.
The process has started, thankfully.
The process of native Iraqi indignation is how could their neighbors and their own people kill fellow Iraqis?
If the insurgency is to survive ultimately, it would do better for their cause to continue to kill Americans and not their fellow sisters and brothers.
And for their cause to survive I will know in my heart that killing Americans will not give their country a new real chance.
And so do all of you.
All of you know it.
But you are still too stuck on American sin to give a higher priority for the older generations of Iraqis who want to have a new life while threatened by their own progeny paid for by rich Arab neighbors.
What I've said here doesn't play well.
But if you were all sincere, you would consider it to be the biggest elephant in the room.
Go read my post in the thread so it's not about the oil Jim .Give it up man their own documents say it was about the oil !They planned the whole thing from the moment Bush was elected get your head out the sand and own up to the fact you have a group of organised criminals running your goverment :roll:
Since you know internal Canadian politics and I know American internal politics, I might apprise you of knowing that Senator Biden, Democratic Senator, and ardent opponent of Bush, has thoroughly understood that this war in no way promised oil revenue or oil profit to America.
He attacked that assumption in the most emotional tirade and intellectual anger I have ever seen an American Senator do.
We all live in our little bubbles and trust me my friend, little do we know what is said beyond our own borders.
He attacked that assumption in the most emotional tirade and intellectual anger I have ever seen an American Senator do.
We all live in our little bubbles and trust me my friend, little do we know what is said beyond our own borders.
Go read the official documents Jim. Biden is bought and payed for like most of your politicians and ours of course :wink: Those documents state it's all about the oil read them
You know what the irony of American power is?
Only Americans more than anybody else really believe there are limits to American power.
Third world countries believe the CIA can do anything.
And a little bit of truth sits in every lie that has an extended life.
Regarding the issue of oil, the matter is less simple than your rush to judgement.
Time will tell.
Joe Biden correctly pointed out that our return on investment in oil infrastructure will take years to make back what we are spending now.
And by the time those years fly by, you can better damn well believe the new Iraqi government will gain control of that oil revenue.
You don't believe that?
Stay tuned.
Psychology does not inform your political bias.
You will also do well by looking into the Russians, French and Germans who colluded to create a nuclear and oil power house as their own personal Saudi Arabia.
Sin knows no borders, but that's not what the world crowd psychology believes.
Only Americans more than anybody else really believe there are limits to American power.
Third world countries believe the CIA can do anything.
And a little bit of truth sits in every lie that has an extended life.
Regarding the issue of oil, the matter is less simple than your rush to judgement.
Time will tell.
Joe Biden correctly pointed out that our return on investment in oil infrastructure will take years to make back what we are spending now.
And by the time those years fly by, you can better damn well believe the new Iraqi government will gain control of that oil revenue.
You don't believe that?
Stay tuned.
Psychology does not inform your political bias.
You will also do well by looking into the Russians, French and Germans who colluded to create a nuclear and oil power house as their own personal Saudi Arabia.
Sin knows no borders, but that's not what the world crowd psychology believes.
By the way, checkpoints guarding the oil infrastructure is a good thing.
Or, to put it another way, let's not guard the oil infrastructure and let the terrorists destroy the pipelines and then tell me that such a result is good for anybody?
Don't linger too long, for it goes contrary to your herd instinct.
Or, to put it another way, let's not guard the oil infrastructure and let the terrorists destroy the pipelines and then tell me that such a result is good for anybody?
Don't linger too long, for it goes contrary to your herd instinct.
No Logo is excellent. If you get a chance, you should also see a documentary called "The Take". Naomi Klein and Avi Lewis put it together. It's about workers in Argentina taking back factories that were abandoned. It kind of shows where Canada is headed if we don't smarten up soon.
Maybe nobody wants to go there because the incompetence and greed of the Bush regime has created a situation so dangerous and confused that not a lot can be done. Either that or they are afraid the Americans will shoot them at a check-point.
Nice way to show that you didn't bother reading the link at all.
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...or to look at if from a different angle, if the "terrorists" didn't believe that the Americans are stealing oil, what would be their reason to blow up that which would help their countrymen?
...these "terrorists" are not stupid, for if we are to believe the official line, they've already beaten your best and brightest at a number of turns...
jimmoyer said:
...or to look at if from a different angle, if the "terrorists" didn't believe that the Americans are stealing oil, what would be their reason to blow up that which would help their countrymen?
...these "terrorists" are not stupid, for if we are to believe the official line, they've already beaten your best and brightest at a number of turns...
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To be honest I don't think "W" has a real clue on whats going on in Iraq. He does not even have any long term or short term plans either. But they will take oil for "payment" for bringing so called "Democracy" to Iraq.
I think the ultimate goal is to get a seat on OPEC and control the Iraqi oil.
To be honest I don't think "W" has a real clue on whats going on in Iraq. He does not even have any long term or short term plans either. But they will take oil for "payment" for bringing so called "Democracy" to Iraq.
I think the ultimate goal is to get a seat on OPEC and control the Iraqi oil.
Well folks the real immorality here is the one none of you ever bother to face.
No one gives a damn about giving Iraq a new real chance.
No one gives a damn about giving Iraq a new real chance.