...so we don't have to fight them at home

[I think not]

I Think Not, you act as if you have not heard of any of these theories, or are you just conviently ignoring them?
And yes, at least one of us is Canadian. You can tell by the balanced approach to the mysteries of global politics, unlike the firm and unwavering opinions of the average American. The current American mentality is frighteningly close to that of Nazi Germany.

And obviously, I am not the only one who sees this.

Elections were held, monitored by international observers as is always the case around the world and he won like or not.

I have heard all the conspiracy theories and have ignored none of them however none of them surrounding 9/11 are even remotely interesting.

Now if it gets you through the day to believe your sitting on a high horse looking down upon us and that we resemble Nazi Germany, then so be it. Too bad you live so close to us.

 

[Karlin]

Re:Religious Wars - oil wealth funds their armies

We have missed one idea about all this -
As much as the oil of Iraq is valuable to American refiners and importers and that "way of life", perhaps BushCo sees Iraqi oil as a way to finance Islamic fundies for years to come.

The percieved growing threat to Christianity from Muslim expansionism may be more of a motivation than the wealth Americans get from Iraq oil, and that may be why Bush conjured up 9-11, to "get all the way to Baghdad" so Islamists cannot have that oil.

From the point of view of an athiest, this is all getting to be a bit much.
I really wish they would all just put down their bibles ands guns, and develop their damnable "relationship with god" in private - would that be taking away any religious freedoms other than the right to gather together? - and what religion puts 'gathering together' above the personal relationship with their various gods? Don't they all pray in silence anyways?

Karlin

 

[Karlin]

Re is HS stopping a barrage of attacks in the U.S. ?

Elections were held, monitored by international observers as is always the case around the world and he won like or not.

I have heard all the conspiracy theories and have ignored none of them however none of them surrounding 9/11 are even remotely interesting.

Now if it gets you through the day to believe your sitting on a high horse looking down upon us and that we resemble Nazi Germany, then so be it. Too bad you live so close to us.[/quote]

Mr Think-Knot, [sorry, couln't resist]you just go ahead and ignore what you want to, but it won't lead us any closer to the world we want.

No attacks INSIDE america since 9-11 is remarkable. Not even any fertilizer bombs by its own citizens! That is something.
But you just ignore that bit about "there never was any"
{and if there was,it was just once].

Its not as if the barrage of attacks on America stopped after Homeland Security got involved, but thats what the propaganda would have us think. Its silly. Its pretty weak encouragement for the America public. Mild victory, but you sure pound your collective chest abou tit. Oops, I mean abou tit.

And I never felt like I was "looking down on[ Americans]" at all, more like looking up at a giant behemoth, and being afraid, very afraid.
Being very afraid is what got the public of Nazi Germany onside.

Being "very courageous but peacefull" instead of afraid is what got Ghandi independance from Britian. Robbie Robertson sings that "you don't stand a chance against our LOVE", and that makes sense to me.

EH?

Look at the outcomes , and you will see that love and non-violence will inch us towards the the kind of world I want, a world with love and peace and sustainable prosperity, not the kind that requires continuous growth like the current American model. What kind of world do YOU want? - dominated by american military, daily battles to the death, and 99% of the worlds wealth in your Elite's pockets?

I admit it is attractive to be on the side of the dominator, of the bully, of the global conquerer, but thats not a wonderful world anymore, we all lose, and you lose a little less than the others.
Can't we just be friends and get along instead? [and again, sorry about name calling back there, my friend]

American courage is being seen less and less. Bombing civilians from 10,000 feet up, remote controled spying, and absolutely FREAKING OUT at one day's carnage on 9-11 are surely signs that courage is lacking in America.

The despots and tirants all turn to dust eventually, the closest thing to permanence, to enduring empires, is when we hand the world to the next generation as good or better than when we got it.
You won't be able to show us how Bush is doing that. [ are you thinking of saying something about Clinton handing Bush the problems, so its the liberal's fault? Ha, I see them as being on the same side, so forget it!!].

 

[jimmoyer]

Look at the outcomes , and you will see that love and non-violence will inch us towards the the kind of world I want, a world with love and peace and sustainable prosperity, not the kind that requires continuous growth like the current American model. What kind of world do YOU want? - dominated by american military, daily battles to the death, and 99% of the worlds wealth in your Elite's pockets? --- Karlin
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I wish for you two things.

1. At least 2 macro-economics classes.

2. Watch the Discovery channel more.

Both speak towards nature, our nature. Find out why some of your most sincere noble wishes cause unintended consequences because they don't follow the psychology of the angel and the beast of our natures.

Read of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, about the "invisible hand" that will always trump a central committee's wishes, dictates.

We strive for the noble and we strive for our own benefit and we try to combine the two if we can, but who will tell us to do that ?

 

[Karlin]

Re: RE: ...so we don't have to fight them at home

Look at the outcomes , and you will see that love and non-violence will inch us towards the the kind of world I want, a world with love and peace and sustainable prosperity, not the kind that requires continuous growth like the current American model. What kind of world do YOU want? - dominated by american military, daily battles to the death, and 99% of the worlds wealth in your Elite's pockets? --- Karlin
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I wish for you two things.


We strive for the noble and we strive for our own benefit and we try to combine the two if we can, but who will tell us to do that ?

Go ahead, make your point.

 

[Karlin]

Re: RE: ...so we don't have to fight them at home

Look at the outcomes , and you will see that love and non-violence will inch us towards the the kind of world I want, a world with love and peace and sustainable prosperity, not the kind that requires continuous growth like the current American model. What kind of world do YOU want? - dominated by american military, daily battles to the death, and 99% of the worlds wealth in your Elite's pockets? --- Karlin
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I wish for you two things.


We strive for the noble and we strive for our own benefit and we try to combine the two if we can, but who will tell us to do that ?

Go ahead, make your point.

 

[jimmoyer]

I did make my point.

1. who will tell us to do the right thing?
2. that all political and economic systems should closely follow our psychological nature, both angelic and beastial.

 

[Sy]

RE: ...so we don't have t

Woot! for really big (and red) fonts!

 

[omalmeti]

Oh and BTW there has not been one act on American soil since 911 so we are fighting them in the craphole they live.

AND IS THAT GOOD enough for you? How many attacks did the US have in their continental soil since 1776 to 9/11? NONE.

SO the fact that they have not attacked your country since 9-11 does not mean they won't want to do it again.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Oh and BTW there has not been one act on American soil since 911 so we are fighting them in the craphole they live.

AND IS THAT GOOD enough for you? How many attacks did the US have in their continental soil since 1776 to 9/11? NONE.

SO the fact that they have not attacked your country since 9-11 does not mean they won't want to do it again.

exactly. But examine the selfishness of this approach. In fact one could go so far as to say that it is insanity. Is the USG going to give itself licence to invade where ever they wish now......and base it on more lies........or "excuses" like getting them outside the US. Considering the anger at the US now......(world wide) it would follow that the US might have to war against the world itself. When one listens to them......one would think that they were the only nation on this planet........and everthing else is just there for their pickings. LIFE Is meaningless to them now. POWER,CONTROL is what is important to them.

oh well, Rome fell too. and Rome was about POWER, GLORY, CONTROL and WEALTH/GREED too.

Suggest one is careful who/where one is calling a "craphole" as at the moment......the US looks like one too.

 

[ElPolaco]

Oh no, not another "cake walker". Where you from "fatso"?

 

[Jo Canadian]

It's only a cakewalk if you're only military expierience is this:

 

[Karlin]

RE: ...so we don't have t

wow, I am so glad I waded thru all that to see the latest contributions to the issues at hand, complete with sandbox insults.

The photo of Bush playing army is funny tho'.

We are 'fighting them where the war has been assembled', in Iraq. Its almost as if it were agreed upon, planned that way. The Plains of Germany was an alternate location, having been flooded with blood once allready, but the D.U. problem would mean 'death in victory' too, so thats why they chose the Arab deserts instead.

 

[annabattler]

RE: ...so we don't have t

Certainly Canadians did NOT want to participate in what we viewed as an illegal"pre-emptive" strike.
The major problem with GWB's plan was that he didn't have any exit strategy from Iraq....and he didn't use his intelligence services to figure out what nasty tendrils would fall out from his action.
However,he did the deed,he DID get re-elected(which must have served to make him think he was on the right path),and he now leaves the mess for the next president (and the country) to clean up...and a lengthy clean-up it will be.And it will take years for American diplomatic services to regain all the ground lost.And it will take huge cash and human infusions to oversee the resulting instability in the middle east.
Al-Queda is like a McDonald's franchise...they're now operating all over the world...getting bin Laden will stop nothing.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: ...so we don't have t

Certainly Canadians did NOT want to participate in what we viewed as an illegal"pre-emptive" strike.
The major problem with GWB's plan was that he didn't have any exit strategy from Iraq....and he didn't use his intelligence services to figure out what nasty tendrils would fall out from his action.
However,he did the deed,he DID get re-elected(which must have served to make him think he was on the right path),and he now leaves the mess for the next president (and the country) to clean up...and a lengthy clean-up it will be.And it will take years for American diplomatic services to regain all the ground lost.And it will take huge cash and human infusions to oversee the resulting instability in the middle east.
Al-Queda is like a McDonald's franchise...they're now operating all over the world...getting bin Laden will stop nothing.

excellent post. Such wisdom/insight is rare, and therefore truly appreciated.

 

[I think not]

Oh and BTW there has not been one act on American soil since 911 so we are fighting them in the craphole they live.

AND IS THAT GOOD enough for you? How many attacks did the US have in their continental soil since 1776 to 9/11? NONE.

SO the fact that they have not attacked your country since 9-11 does not mean they won't want to do it again.

exactly. But examine the selfishness of this approach. In fact one could go so far as to say that it is insanity. Is the USG going to give itself licence to invade where ever they wish now......and base it on more lies........or "excuses" like getting them outside the US. Considering the anger at the US now......(world wide) it would follow that the US might have to war against the world itself. When one listens to them......one would think that they were the only nation on this planet........and everthing else is just there for their pickings. LIFE Is meaningless to them now. POWER,CONTROL is what is important to them.

oh well, Rome fell too. and Rome was about POWER, GLORY, CONTROL and WEALTH/GREED too.

Suggest one is careful who/where one is calling a "craphole" as at the moment......the US looks like one too.

There was a 1993 bombing of the WTC. Maybe you forgot, but I haven't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: ...so we don't have t

There have been quite a few homegrown ones as well. If the US wants to fight a war on terror, maybe they should start at home.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

"so we don't have to fight them at home" has some very serious flaws in concept. Fighting /combating terrorism STARTS/and continues at home.


a simplistic analogy. If your house was broken into / or "attacked"....... would you go off half cocked and attack any house in your neighborhood/ or next city to prevent your house from being attacked again?? Or would you shore up your own security systems and allow the LAW to handle capturing the culprits???--and putting them through the justice system as most civilized nations would do...??

 

[Jo Canadian]