Should George Bush be charged for commiting war crimes?

[I think not]

For the record, I personally believe GWB made a mistake going into Iraq. The time wasn't right and the international support wasn't there. I do believe Saddam had to go, but I think spending another year or so rallying international support would have been better than displaying American arrogance to the world, by listening to nobody but himself.

That being said, I do not condone the appeasement of the world community either, all I heard other leaders saying is more diplomacy and more chit chat, after 13 years of tea and krumpets one would think it was high time to do something about it.

 

[JonB2004]

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Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

 

[Champloo]

RE: Should George Bush be

Again, your lack of proof will only get you ridiculed.

 

[JonB2004]

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He's being 16 years old.

:thebirdman:

 

[I think not]

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Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

I know there were no WMD's. Allow me to ask a question before I respond, do you believe September 11th was an "inside" job?

 

[#juan]

For the record, I personally believe GWB made a mistake going into Iraq. The time wasn't right and the international support wasn't there. I do believe Saddam had to go, but I think spending another year or so rallying international support would have been better than displaying American arrogance to the world, by listening to nobody but himself.

We will notice that ITN says absolutely nothing about the huge numbers who died, either from the bombing or from the sanctions. He just thinks the timing was wrong. My My.

That being said, I do not condone the appeasement of the world community either, all I heard other leaders saying is more diplomacy and more chit chat, after 13 years of tea and krumpets one would think it was high time to do something about it.

Oh, was there a time limit? Was there a time limit or was it just that U.S. and British forces were building up in the desert around Iraq and it was costing big money to keep them there. There was a time limit , but it was self imposed by Bush.

 

[I think not]

We will notice that ITN says absolutely nothing about the huge numbers who died, either from the bombing or from the sanctions. He just thinks the timing was wrong. My My.

Yep that's right.

Oh, was there a time limit? Was there a time limit or was it just that U.S. and British forces were building up in the desert around Iraq and it was costing big money to keep them there. There was a time limit , but it was self imposed by Bush.

If it was costing big money to keep them there, I'm sure you were more concerned about maintaining CBC funding alive and well, so why would you worry about it?. And yes, there were multiple time limits through the UN.

 

[JonB2004]

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Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

I know there were no WMD's. Allow me to ask a question before I respond, do you believe September 11th was an "inside" job?

What do you mean by "inside" job?

 

[Toro]

RE: Should George Bush be

Charged?

By whom?

 

[JonB2004]

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Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

I know there were no WMD's. Allow me to ask a question before I respond, do you believe September 11th was an "inside" job?

What do you mean by "inside" job?

ITN, are you going to respond?

 

[#juan]

So ITN, you don't care how many people are killed as long as the invasion goes smoothly and embarrassments are kept to a minimum.

You also feel that a shooting war is better than any negotiation, especially when you have armies cooling their collective heels in the Iraqi desert.

Is it any wonder that American foreign policy is such a down and out bloody failure.....

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be

Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

I know there were no WMD's. Allow me to ask a question before I respond, do you believe September 11th was an "inside" job?

What do you mean by "inside" job?

ITN, are you going to respond?

Do you think 9/11 was conducted by the US government?

 

[I think not]

So ITN, you don't care how many people are killed as long as the invasion goes smoothly and embarrassments are kept to a minimum.

You also feel that a shooting war is better than any negotiation, especially when you have armies cooling their collective heels in the Iraqi desert.

Is it any wonder that American foreign policy is such a down and out bloody failure.....

You can draw your own conclusions #juan. It really makes no difference to me.

 

[JonB2004]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be

Bush told everyone that he was going to Iraq to overturn Saddam and save from the world from the so-called WMDs. There wasn't any WMDs. There is only one other reason he invaded Iraq.

You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, that is not evidence.

WTF? I'm not jumping to comclusions. That's what happened. GWB invaded Iraq telling the world that there was WMDs, but there were none. So what's the reason Bush went to Iraq for? Come on. Tell me.

I know there were no WMD's. Allow me to ask a question before I respond, do you believe September 11th was an "inside" job?

What do you mean by "inside" job?

ITN, are you going to respond?

Do you think 9/11 was conducted by the US government?

No .

 

[Godangel]

:lol: Should be charged, not only for Iraq but other countries we do not hear about. Some American should be charged for war crimes for propping up Pinochinet in Chile, and the major part of South America, namely, Guyana, Venezula, Peru, Panama, El Salvador, for effects of deformity of Children in Vietnam where USA was the first country that used chemical warfare against a poorer country etc. America has become the big Bully that could not equal even a Communist regieme.[/img]

 

[Godangel]

RE: Should George Bush be

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Laughing Should be charged, not only for Iraq but other countries we do not hear about. Some American should be charged for war crimes for propping up Pinochinet in Chile, and the major part of South America, namely, Guyana, Venezula, Peru, Panama, El Salvador, for effects of deformity of Children in Vietnam where USA was the first country that used chemical warfare against a poorer country etc. America has become the big Bully that could not equal even a Communist regieme.

 

[Ghost_Rider]

Bush won't be charged (even though he should) anymore than the USA will come to it's senses about acting like the unilateral bully anytime soon. You, me, the guy next to you... we all feel the same way, Dubya should be held responsible. But unfortunately, the climate in this country (especially in the South and Texas) is such that if you speak out against the government you are a traitor and a scum, deserving of NO rights whatsoever. Funny though, no-one thought like that when we had a really damn good president (albeit personally corrupt, he was an astute leader) Clinton.

Unfortunately, America will let it's leaders get away with murder, but no sexual immorality please... :? And not while the American Christian / Corporate Taliban is in power, no reform will happen anytime soon. :roll:

 

[FiveParadox]

I have sort of noticed that kind of "atmosphere" among some American participants here and elsewhere.

More often than I would like, anyone who doesn't agree with the President of the United States of America is deemed to be a traitor, sometimes words such as treason are even used.

 

[mabudon]

RE: Should George Bush be

Yeah, and if they're REALLY trying to discredit someone, you get "smeared" with the term "Liberal"

Dubya and his whole inner circle should be tried Nuremburg-style and then some. War crimes are war crimes, and criminal wars can't help but produce war crimes

The ongoing revelations of shameful criminal conduct on the ground are most certainly the tip of the iceberg and representative of the "operation" as a whole- it seems to me, more and more, that these "leaks" of the "deplorable actions of a few bad apples" are pretty much intentional to give right-wing warmongering windbags that very talking point for which there is no actual defense; as long as the "leaks" are doled out in a nice, slow-but-steady fashion, no-one can ever prove that the "few bad apples" defense is NOT true, no matter how often it gets disproven in a small way, plus it keeps the outrage focussed on the media/left for trying to undermine "support for the troops" by even reporting these horrors, and for less "active" progressives, gives them a small red flag to run at while taking the heat off of the true master criminals


I do believe that a trial is too much to expect, though, being a realist, but in an even slightly fair world, Dubya and Rummy and Cheney would all be tried fairly and sentenced accordingly

Heck, it's kinda sad/funny but Bush and most of his cronies won't even be tried in civil courts for various domestic crimes they've committed.. our own "sponsorship/adscam" scandal looks like someone getting rolled for their lunch money in contrast to the grand larcenies etc being done by the Pros

 

[Ghost_Rider]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be charged for commiting war crim

I have sort of noticed that kind of "atmosphere" among some American participants here and elsewhere.

More often than I would like, anyone who doesn't agree with the President of the United States of America is deemed to be a traitor, sometimes words such as treason are even used.

And that's how "they" the Christian / Corporate Taliban that's rolling back free-speech, expression, constitutional rights, environmental protections, worker's protections and the voice of minority religions in this country would like to hear.

Voices of protest, dissent and alternative views are NOT welcome in the Southern States and some of the more fanatically Christian Midwestern States. There is some hope for the North East, the North West and the West Coast. But in almost exactly 60% of this great country you find folks that are too cowed, too brain-washed and too feeble minded to speak against the crowd and the party mindset.

It's why the next election in 2008, will still be a tight one, that is unless Dubya and his cronies do something that even the stalwart Southerners find offensive. Unfortunately, going to war (with no real reason), raping the environment, slashing work-place rights and protections, and scrolling back the constitution that the Founding Fathers were wise enough to put in to protect us all from leaders as ours is not enough of a reason to do so.

Some day, when the full effect of all of these assaults on American freedoms, pride and sensibility come back to haunt them. Then and only then will these sheeple, the silent ones be ashamed. And then and only then, will you hear the common refrain... "but it wasn't me!" "But I had no choice!"

You always have a choice, and you always have a voice, that is... untill you CHOOSE to give it away.