Should Canada revoke freedom of religion for Muslims?

Would you support banning Islam as it's described in the OP?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 32 82.1%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Total voters
    39

Machjo

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Bummer for Christians in Spain.

Maybe if the Christians weren't too busy slaughtering each other there would have been enough around to hold onto southern Spain.

Bummer? Thanks to Spain being under Muslim control, those Christians who chose not to submit to the established Church had somewhere to go where their hides would be protected. Jews too by the way.
 

petros

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Bummer? Thanks to Spain being under Muslim control, those Christians who chose not to submit to the established Church had somewhere to go where their hides would be protected. Jews too by the way.
Read up on that. The Jews lived there with the Muzzies until the Christians kicked them out in 1492 the day before Columbus set sail.
 

Machjo

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Read up on that. The Jews lived there with the Muzzies until the Christians kicked them out in 1492 the day before Columbus set sail.

Not only Jews. Unorthodox Christians were also protected under Muslim rule against the orthodox Church.
 

FiveParadox

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It would be constitutionally-possible to ban a specific religion using s. 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (also known as the notwithstanding clause). The legislation would need to explicitly declare that it is to be of full force and effect notwithstanding s. 2(a) of the Charter. The only catch is that such an employment of the notwithstanding clause expires five years after its enactment, unless re-enacted by a resolution of the Honourable the Senate of Canada, and the House of Commons (either House individually can block the renewal, as can the Governor General of Canada).
 

petros

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It would be constitutionally-possible to ban a specific religion using s. 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (also known as the notwithstanding clause). The legislation would need to explicitly declare that it is to be of full force and effect notwithstanding s. 2(a) of the Charter. The only catch is that such an employment of the notwithstanding clause expires five years after its enactment, unless re-enacted by a resolution of the Honourable the Senate of Canada, and the House of Commons (either House individually can block the renewal, as can the Governor General of Canada).
Under the Charter banning one religion would mean banning all religions.
 

Machjo

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Petros. I think you misunderstand the Christian faith. It teaches love for your neighbour and to give to Caesar that which is Caesar's. Unfortunately, ever more are confusing the Christian faith with Dominionism and other such ideologies.
 

FiveParadox

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Under the Charter banning one religion would mean banning all religions.

No, it wouldn’t.

The section of the Act (though I am not a proponent of this obviously discriminatory train of thought) could read, to have the intended effect:

“1(1) Any one who, in Canada, is a Muslim, identifies as a Muslim, or identifies otherwise as a follower of Islam commits an offence and is liable to [penalty].

“(2) Subsection 1 applies notwithstanding s. 2(a) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”
 

Machjo

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No, it wouldn’t.

The section of the Act (though I am not a proponent of this obviously discriminatory train of thought) could read, to have the intended effect:

“1(1) Any one who, in Canada, is a Muslim, identifies as a Muslim, or identifies otherwise as a follower of Islam commits an offence and is liable to [penalty].

“(2) Subsection 1 applies notwithstanding s. 2(a) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”


Quiet! You're giving some people some ideas here.
 

petros

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No, it wouldn’t.

The section of the Act (though I am not a proponent of this obviously discriminatory train of thought) could read, to have the intended effect:

“1(1) Any one who, in Canada, is a Muslim, identifies as a Muslim, or identifies otherwise as a follower of Islam commits an offence and is liable to [penalty].

“(2) Subsection 1 applies notwithstanding s. 2(a) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”
You would have to give up your right to religious choice too.

2. EVERYONE has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and(d) freedom of association. That includes Satanists and witches whether you like it or not.

If one person is denied a choice you have to be denied too.
 

FiveParadox

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Absolutely.

Everyone would have the fundamental freedom of conscience and religion, with the exception of Islam as declared (theoretically) by the Parliament of Canada. Let’s be clear here, petros, I oppose the idea of banning any faith, I was only explaining how it would look in legislative form. Cool your heels.
 

Machjo

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You would have to give up your right to religious choice too.

2. EVERYONE has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and(d) freedom of association. That includes Satanists and witches whether you like it or not.

If one person is denied a choice you have to be denied too.

Hitler had no problem removing democracy from the map in his time, so why should Canadian democracy stop a few fanatics here?
 

petros

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Absolutely.

Everyone would have the fundamental freedom of conscience and religion, with the exception of Islam as declared (theoretically) by the Parliament of Canada. Let’s be clear here, petros, I oppose the idea of banning any faith, I was only explaining how it would look in legislative form. Cool your heels.
The why brring up something so far fetched and impossible as possible?