Sex Ed and Politics

Serryah

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So those opposed, explain how any of this is wrong?

As mentioned in the video "It's not actually about keeping kids safe, it's about controlling them. They're just using kids for politics."

And that's exactly what is going on in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and New Brunswick, with other provinces looking at fucking with the topic too.
 

Serryah

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Should'a just made this about Education.


Considering how big a deal Education is in some places right now, and how much the Provinces are willing to fuck it over (well, that and health care) it needs to be talked about more.
 

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So those opposed, explain how any of this is wrong?

As mentioned in the video "It's not actually about keeping kids safe, it's about controlling them. They're just using kids for politics."

And that's exactly what is going on in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and New Brunswick, with other provinces looking at fucking with the topic too.
Uh huh. Remember the flap about Ontario's sex-ed curriculum? The one that was drafted by a convicted pedophile? Shit like that don't help.

Watched a video from a school board meeting in the US where a 10 yr old student read excerpts from a book that was available in his school library. It was explicit as fuck. It was NOT the kind of material 10yr olds should have access to, especially in school.
 

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Should'a just made this about Education.


Considering how big a deal Education is in some places right now, and how much the Provinces are willing to fuck it over (well, that and health care) it needs to be talked about more.
Maybe if teachers actually worked a full school year instead of going on strike on a yearly fucking basis...Of course I can only speak for Ontario in that regard.
I actually had an alleged high school graduate ask me why a 25 cent piece was called a quarter. How the fuck do you even make it out of elementary school without knowing that? Ya know who failed her? Not the province. Her parents, her school and the school board failed her.

In Ontario teachers are constantly whining the schools need more money. There are European countries that spend less on education than Ontario and they get better results. Maybe the teachers should be looking at school board corruption.

I think a part of the issue with schools is more and more parents are opting to NOT send their kids to public school because of the activist/agenda-driven "education" too many schools engage in, like gender mythology, Protesting 101, AGW fear mongering, identity politics and other Marxist dreck. Oh, and they're also taught that actions don't have consequences. I mean fuck, man, students aren't even allowed to fail anymore.
I remember, and this was going back some years, a teacher in Alberta was raked over the coals for failing a student on a test. The test was out of 25 and the kid only answered 10 or 11 questions. He was told to only grade the students on the questions they actually answered. Brilliant, answer just one question you know the answer to, leave the rest blank and bingo-bango, you get a perfect grade on the test.

And then somehow these kids are supposed to be able to function as adults when they enter the adult world.

You know what the problem is? As a society we keep lowering our standards and saying "How progressive of us". Apparently "inclusivity" means lowering our standards. And before you blow a gasket, by inclusivity I'm not referring solely to race/ethnicity. We lowered physical standards so women (and small guys) could be firefighters and cops. We lowered educational standards by not allowing poorly performing students to fail a grade. We lowered societal standards by allowing govts to be too soft on crime, real crime, not protesting govt overreach. We lowered health care standards by allowing our medical schools to fill up with foreign medical students, most of whom go back home to practice medicine while Canadians who want to study medicine have to go abroad meaning they won't be certified to practice medicine in Canada after they're done.

Maybe if we actually start raising the standards in our public schools again it'll pay off in the next 25-30 years.
 
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Serryah

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Maybe if teachers actually worked a full school year instead of going on strike on a yearly fucking basis...

Well if teachers were paid what they're worth and not given shit to work with...

Of course I can only speak for Ontario in that regard.
I actually had an alleged high school graduate ask me why a 25 cent piece was called a quarter. How the fuck do you even make it out of elementary school without knowing that? Ya know who failed her? Not the province. Her parents, her school and the school board failed her.

On this I agree; her parents, the school, the school board and Government failed her.

In Ontario teachers are constantly whining the schools need more money.

Because they do.

There are European countries that spend less on education than Ontario and they get better results.

Then maybe we should push to have a more European style education system?

Look into it, see how they do over there, it might make you think twice (and fwiw, I actually think the Euro style is what should be used).

Maybe the teachers should be looking at school board corruption.

Bingo.

I think a part of the issue with schools is more and more parents are opting to NOT send their kids to public school because of the activist/agenda-driven "education" too many schools engage in, like gender mythology, Protesting 101, AGW fear mongering, identity politics and other Marxist dreck.

LOL - so parents are buying into bullshit screamed about by the right and somehow that's the blame on everyone else?

Oh, and they're also taught that actions don't have consequences. I mean fuck, man, students aren't even allowed to fail anymore.

That's been going on for years, Jinny. Not just "The Left" have been doing this, you realize. But I agree, by not failing kids we screw things up more than when they were failed.

I remember, and this was going back some years, a teacher in Alberta was raked over the coals for failing a student on a test. The test was out of 25 and the kid only answered 10 or 11 questions. He was told to only grade the students on the questions they actually answered. Brilliant, answer just one question you know the answer to, leave the rest blank and bingo-bango, you get a perfect grade on the test.

And then somehow these kids are supposed to be able to function as adults when they enter the adult world.

Only the kids who want to do 'better' and are driven will do what needs to be done. The rest don't give a damn, and it's not just because of "Liberal" whatever you want to call it.

You know what the problem is? As a society we keep lowering our standards and saying "How progressive of us". Apparently "inclusivity" means lowering our standards.

Oh this'll be good...

And before you blow a gasket, by inclusivity I'm not referring solely to race/ethnicity. We lowered physical standards so women (and small guys) could be firefighters and cops.

If they can do the job, why not?

We lowered educational standards by not allowing poorly performing students to fail a grade.

Agreed.

We lowered societal standards by allowing govts to be too soft on crime, real crime, not protesting govt overreach.

True.

We lowered health care standards by allowing our medical schools to fill up with foreign medical students, most of whom go back home to practice medicine while Canadians who want to study medicine have to go abroad meaning they won't be certified to practice medicine in Canada after they're done.

Or seats are denied because increasing class sizes is somehow 'not good' even though we're crying for the seats and they need to be filled. Or it's because that after graduation, none of the provinces are willing to offer enough to keep the grads in Canada so they go off to greener pastures. Meanwhile external nurses, for example, come here because their home country doesn't pay as much, they want out and Canada is offering.

It's a lot more involved and complex than you think Jinny.

Maybe if we actually start raising the standards in our public schools again it'll pay off in the next 25-30 years.

It might. But we'd have to change society too...

Or I suppose that'd be okay with you. Go back to race segregation, religious exclusions (or inclusions but only if you're Christian), GLBTQIA+ all get shoved back in the closet, girls take home ech, typing, secretarial and all the "girly" type classes only, no engineers, no cops, no lawyers.

Only thing I can agree with is failing kids when they need to be failed. And I say that as someone who failed French after moving to NB from NFLD and I was way, way behind, but because I passed everything else, I was allowed to advance. I should have at least been held back for summer school.

Know what the biggest problem is, Jin? You didn't even listen to this guy, who is a teacher, about the issues. And that is the one reason why Education is the shitshow it is.
 

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In my day a teacher didnt preach, they stayed until 5 putting in 8 hours, they handled 35-40 students without any teaching assistants, no notes on powerpoint, got out a recess and participated in and refereed the boys playing sport and kept the girls from cutting each other down. They coached intramural teams, lead choirs, band and discipline.

Do they do that today?
 

Serryah

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So explain how all of this is to blame on teachers and "not having the right standards"?

How about the fact that there is no resources, and a Government person not giving a sweet shit about students?