I suggest that rather than separate religion from government, we should separate religion from people.
Separation of religion and government
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I suggest that rather than separate religion from government, we should separate religion from people.
Ironically that would put you right up there with religious fundamentalists who think they have it right and everyone should do/be like them.
We can enact policy to demand government function as we see 'right'. We can't do the same to people.
Macho is absolutely WRONG about Vatican citizenship. They have several non-Catholics that are citizens. There is absolutely no provision in their laws that you must be a Catholic to hold citizenship there.
I just love it when people make up bull manure, and present it as fact. It's so much fun to show them to be wrong!
By the way, my wife is a Catholic, who grew up in Ogden, Utah. She had total and complete freedom of religion. She describes it as the absolute best place in the USA for a child to grow up, as the crime rate is quite low, kids are generally very safe, people look out for each other, and there are a ton of activities to do that don't cost money.
The stuff about Utah kids looking like Mexicans, with a "get me out of here look in their eyes is also a bunch of crap.
Mormons do NOT abuse their women, any more than adherents to any other religion do. There are a few radicals (who have been excommunicated by the mainstream Mormon Church by the way) who are crazed, but that certainly is not the norm at all.
And, I would strongly suggest that you check the US Census statistics on Utah. Mormons are no longer a majority of the residents of that State, and they haven't been for at least the past 20 years. In the Greater Salt Lake City area, they make up about 40% of the population.
I just love it when people make up bull manure, and present it as fact. It's so much fun to show them to be wrong!
By the way, my wife is a Catholic, who grew up in Ogden, Utah. She had total and complete freedom of religion. She describes it as the absolute best place in the USA for a child to grow up, as the crime rate is quite low, kids are generally very safe, people look out for each other, and there are a ton of activities to do that don't cost money.
The stuff about Utah kids looking like Mexicans, with a "get me out of here look in their eyes is also a bunch of crap.
Mormons do NOT abuse their women, any more than adherents to any other religion do. There are a few radicals (who have been excommunicated by the mainstream Mormon Church by the way) who are crazed, but that certainly is not the norm at all.
And, I would strongly suggest that you check the US Census statistics on Utah. Mormons are no longer a majority of the residents of that State, and they haven't been for at least the past 20 years. In the Greater Salt Lake City area, they make up about 40% of the population.
No need to be rude. So I was wrong, though I'll admit I'm a little surprised. If there are non-catholic residents of the Vatican, then definitely their freedom of religion ought to be protected, especially if they have no other citizenship or if they pay taxes to the Vatican.
Really, you're just gonna take his word for it? From what I can see Machjo, only people who work for the Holy See are citizens of the Vatican, and if there are nonreligious people working for the Holy See (so many as to be deserving of that rude reply), I for one would demand some proof of who they are. There are residents of the Vatican who don't have to be religious, but, when it comes to citizenship, I have doubts. And I'm sure that will get my head snapped off too. 
Really, you're just gonna take his word for it? From what I can see Machjo, only people who work for the Holy See are citizens of the Vatican, and if there are nonreligious people working for the Holy See (so many as to be deserving of that rude reply), I for one would demand some proof of who they are. There are residents of the Vatican who don't have to be religious, but, when it comes to citizenship, I have doubts. And I'm sure that will get my head snapped off too.
I have no proof either way, though based on what I do know, I doubt very much there would be residents of the Vatican. Heck, even contractors would probably just be staying in some hotel in Rome... across the street!
In that previous rel=ply I was just giving the benefit of the doubt, but indeed if, IF there are any non-catholic residents, then certainly international laws regarding freedom of religion and discrimination on the basis of religion ought to apply.
Consider though that teh Vatican is the geographical centre of the Catholic Faith, as is Jerusalem for Jews or Mecca for Muslims.
I have issues with Saudi Arabia's religious policies, but as for the city of Mecca itself, I could see an exception to that as long as we're talking about the location of the Kaba itself where no one resides permanently anyway.
According to Wikipedia Mormans account for about 61% of Utah's population, but practicing Mormans amount to only about 41%, so I suppose it depends on how you count them.
See religion in this article.
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