Searching for Truth?

[china]

There is no different directions to truth, and there are not two truths. Truth is not of the past or of the present, it is timeless; and the man who quotes the truth of the Christ , Buddha, of Shankara, will not find truth, because repetition is not truth. Repetition is a lie. Truth is a state of being which arises when the mind - which seeks to divide, to be exclusive, which can think only in terms of results, of achievement - has come to an end. Only then will there be truth. The mind that is making effort, disciplining itself in order to achieve an end, cannot know truth, because the end is its own projection, and the pursuit of that projection, however noble, is a form of self-worship. Such a being is worshipping himself, and therefore he cannot know truth. Truth is to be known only when we understand the whole process of the mind, that is, when there is no strife

 

[m_levesque]

There is no different directions to truth, and there are not two truths. Truth is not of the past or of the present, it is timeless; and the man who quotes the truth of the Christ , Buddha, of Shankara, will not find truth, because repetition is not truth. Repetition is a lie. Truth is a state of being which arises when the mind - which seeks to divide, to be exclusive, which can think only in terms of results, of achievement - has come to an end. Only then will there be truth. The mind that is making effort, disciplining itself in order to achieve an end, cannot know truth, because the end is its own projection, and the pursuit of that projection, however noble, is a form of self-worship. Such a being is worshipping himself, and therefore he cannot know truth. Truth is to be known only when we understand the whole process of the mind, that is, when there is no strife

Who says? IN other words, based on some of your comments I've read in other places, the only truth is what China says is the truth?

 

[china]

m_levesque :

Who says? IN other words, based on some of your comments I've read in other places, the only truth is what China says is the truth?

China :This is a philosophy part of the forum where we can search for an answers to many things ,....one of the many topics that you find is a topic about the Truth.What I have written here , is my understanding of the the word . Obviously you don't have to agree with me ,AS the matter of fact I hope you dont , trust me it will be for your own good .

 

[jimmoyer]

If there was no such thing as illusion, deception, camouflage, things hiding, perhaps we would
have no word for truth.

We only know things by their opposites, by their contrast relative to something else.

Therein lies the irony of truth; it is dependent upon the existence of its opposite.

 

[Curiosity]

JimMoyer - your words:

If there was no such thing as illusion, deception, camouflage, things hiding, perhaps we would
have no word for truth.

We only know things by their opposites, by their contrast relative to something else.

Therein lies the irony of truth; it is dependent upon the existence of its opposite.

What you say is how I perceive our "truths" to be - in addition to what our past experiences have led us to believe.

I think TRUTH lies within the individual and not what is a majority opinion, or dictated by "wiser" others.

 

[china]

Jimmoyer : If there was no such thing as illusion, deception, camouflage, things hiding, perhaps we would
have no word for truth.

All of these above are your own creation ,part of your mind ,a creation of thought which is time there fore not real.
Truth, like love , humility is an entity not of your own creation.Entities don,t have opposites ,they just are.
When ever you will empty your mind ,Jimmoyer from your self made garbage (Ego),then without you asking ,Truth will come to you.

 

[L Gilbert]

Truth is deceptive and duplicitous.

 

[china]

L Gilbert :Truth is deceptive and duplicitous.

What ever your mind creates and calls it a"truth",that is deceptive and duplicitous.
Again ,the Truth is not a product of ones mind .

 

[sanctus]

If there was no such thing as illusion, deception, camouflage, things hiding, perhaps we would
have no word for truth.

We only know things by their opposites, by their contrast relative to something else.

Therein lies the irony of truth; it is dependent upon the existence of its opposite.

Agreed. that is indeed the big paradox, the duality of all life. Yin and yang, yes and no..without one we cannot have the other.

 

[china]

Do You know the truth Sanctus?
Yin,Yang,Yin ,Yang

 

[sanctus]

Do You know the truth Sanctus?
Yin,Yang,Yin ,Yang

Yes, I do. It is in Christ and His Church. I'm sure I told you this before.

 

[china]

Thank you for your answer.

 

[jimmoyer]

Entities don,t have opposites ,they just are.
When ever you will empty your mind ,Jimmoyer from your self made garbage (Ego),then without you asking ,Truth will come to you.
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Why have a word for HOT, if cold doesn't exist ?

Why would there be a mountain with no valley ?

Why would truth exist without subterfuge ?

Why am I not shot for a post like this ?

What is the sound of 3 hands clapping ?

 

[boagie]

Hi fellows,

The question of truth,if nothing in the world has value,worth or meaning in and of itself, then truth must be I suggest, a highly functional illusion and necessarily subjective.As the buddhist teacher pointed out when he held up a flower to his students and ask for the meaning of this flower.After a time only one student indicated he knew what the master mean't, and that was,there was no meaning,the flower simply is,just as your being just is.I somehow suspect that any further understanding of what truth in fact might be,would be found in the relationship of subject and object.If I bump into it,it is there,that's not good,but its true for me that it is there,so much so, that I navigate around it.What does it mean to truth that it is necessarily relational,that all value,meaning,and/or morality is as dependent on subject as any other object in the world. "SUBJECT AND OBJECT STAND OR FALL TOGETHER" Schopenhaur

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Truth

Truth is the thing that will lead us to a greater cause. If we do not tell the truth, a whole lot of lies and debotrary will lead us to events that will cause trouble. To define truth, there are many in dictionaries. The real truth, the plain of all truth is telling someting exactly as it is. As for wheather something is true or not as in the one hand clapping, it is by the dimensions scientist had proved, but not know its exact meaning and the conditions. If you are there and you hear the one hand clapping, then it is true. If you do not hear it, it is false. (condition) In the world of police men and women, it is true to capture criminals. (dimension) In the world of criminals, it is false to be captured by the police (criminal dimension)

 

[boagie]

Typingrandomstuff,

Type old buddy you gott'a get out more! Do you believe that was a response to my post? Well,I am new here perhaps there is something about the place I do not understand,if so,please fill the newbie in guys!

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert :Truth is deceptive and duplicitous.

What ever your mind creates and calls it a"truth",that is deceptive and duplicitous.
Again ,the Truth is not a product of ones mind .

It is so. Truth is a product of something perceived then processed by the brain into something the mind can understand, that's why everyone's "truth" is different.

 

[L Gilbert]

Truth is the thing that will lead us to a greater cause. If we do not tell the truth, a whole lot of lies and debotrary will lead us to events that will cause trouble. To define truth, there are many in dictionaries. The real truth, the plain of all truth is telling someting exactly as it is. As for wheather something is true or not as in the one hand clapping, it is by the dimensions scientist had proved, but not know its exact meaning and the conditions. If you are there and you hear the one hand clapping, then it is true. If you do not hear it, it is false. (condition) In the world of police men and women, it is true to capture criminals. (dimension) In the world of criminals, it is false to be captured by the police (criminal dimension)

You are confusing truth with fact. Fact is something exactly as it is; irrefutable, no ifs ands or buts, no grey areas, etc. Truth is open to interpretation by whomever encounters it. Hence the different religions, bible versions, faiths, etc. which in turn are all based upon fantasy and myth.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Truth Expanded

I'm vague again. Sorry about that everyone.

Well, takes a big breath.

Truth
1) definitions from the dictionary and famous figures

2) to tell something exactly as it is or to tell the truth. At the time of unwell things, people may lie to give themselves a way to live. However, when lies are told, people are likely to get into trouble. Say you meet a friend, who tells you everything you like to hear. One day, you rule a company and one of the stocks is bad. Say you don't know the stocks is bad and if you do know, you may sell it off. Instead of telling you the truth, your friend told you lies. As time progresses, the stocks gradually cost you tones of money. In this way to tell something as it is, is very important

3) Dimensions
Dimensions are proven by scientists when they use math to calculate how the universe explode, have many dimensions, and forms this solar system.

When people are thinking about something, more than one truth can be found.

To criminials the truth of their thinking is by commiting crimes.
To police the truth of their thinking is to stop criminals.
Bible truths are truths that summarizes what the church believe as true and truth.
To a guy who experienced helping people earn respect might think respect is a part of the truth.

Everyone thinks at a point of the whole world, which I believe to be one of the dimensions scientists prove, yet do not know what it means.

There are many people who acomplishes many asks:
Who decide what is fact and what is false?

It is the greeks who invented logic. Logic is suppose to be true things of 3D based on another set of true things of 3D or 3 dimensional. Logical aspects are regarded as facts.

Therefore, everyone thinks different viewpoints and truth according is a result from the natural world of dimensions.

But you can follow China and L Gilbert's ideas if you like.
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