Safia Honor Killers Back in Court

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Mohammad Shafia, Hamed Shafia and Tooba Yahya are all serving life sentences with no chance of parole for 25 years for the 2009 murder of four female members of their family. Their defence teams are arguing in Ontario appeal court that they deserve a new trial. (Lars Hagberg/Reuters)

Expert testimony on the practice of so-called honour killing did not prejudice the jury against three members of the Shafia family convicted in 2012 of murdering four female relatives, the Crown argued in an Ontario appeal court Friday.

The Court of Appeal for Ontario heard arguments for two days this week in an appeal challenging the first-degree murder convictions of Mohammad Shafia and Tooba Yahya and their son Hamed Shafia.

The three were convicted of first degree murder in the 2009 deaths of Shafia and Yaha's three daughters and Shafia's other wife in a polygamous marriage. They are serving life sentences without chance of parole for 25 years.

The appeal hearings wrapped up Friday afternoon, with the three judges reserving their decision until a later, unspecified date.

The family's lawyers argued Thursday that the trial judge should not have allowed the testimony of University of Toronto professor Shahrzad Mojab. Mojab's suggestion that honour killings are planned by fathers and oldest sons often with the help of mothers was prejudicial and "flat-out prohibited," lawyer Frank Addario told the Toronto court.


The bodies of Rona Amir Mohammad, 58, and the three Shafia sisters: Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, were found in a submerged car near a Rideau Canall lock in Kingston, Ont., on June 30, 2009. (trial evidence)

But Crown counsel Jocelyn Speyer said Friday that Mojab was not the one who brought up honour killing.

"The phenomenon of honour killing and the possible role as motive in this case came from Mohammad Shafia himself," she said on the second day of a two-day appeal hearing.

She pointed to police wiretap evidence of Mohammad Shafia condemning his dead daughters for having dishonoured their family.

"God's curse on them for generations," Speyer quoted Shafia as saying in a transcript of one of the wiretapped calls. "May the devil **** on their graves. Is that what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a *****? Honourless girl."

The bodies of the three Shafia sisters — Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13 — and Rona Amir Mohammad, 58, were found in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal in Kingston, Ont., on June 30, 2009. The family emigrated from Afghanistan in 2007 and was living in Montreal at the time of the murders.

Speyer said Mojab herself did not testify about what Mohammad Shafia thought about honour and took pains to explain to the jury that honour killings are extremely rare and broadly condemned in Middle Eastern societies.

Majob's testimony did not amount to "cultural profiling," as the lawyers for the Shafias argued, but merely equipped the jury to understand an issue in the trial, Speyer told the court.

"She is not stigmatizing or seeking to generalize or profile an entire nation," Speyer said. "She didn't offer any opinion that this case was a case of honour killing."

Photo, passport counter age claim

The Crown also argued earlier Friday that evidence presented in court Thursday suggesting Hamed Shafia was 17 at the time of the murders was unreliable and contradicted by several other documents from the family's native Afghanistan.

"There is a substantial body of reliable evidence that Hamed was 18 at the end of June 2009," Speyer said

Hamed Shafia's lawyer, Scott Hutchison, argued yesterday that the new evidence about his age means he should get a new trial or barring that, a new sentencing hearing or a reduction of his sentence. Young offenders sentenced as adults to life for first-degree murder are eligible for parole after 10 years.

But Speyer said there is overwhelming evidence that Shafia was 18 in June 2009. Two passports issued by Afghanistan to Hamed in 1996 and 2006, respectively, indicate he was born in December 1990.

She pointed out that if Hamed was, indeed, born in December 1991 as his lawyers allege, then that would make his younger sister Sahar's year of birth 1992 and not the officially registered 1991.

Yet a Shafia family photo from 1992 shows both Hamed and younger sister Sahar with an even younger sibling born that year.

That photo proves that Hamed had to have been born on 1990, Sahar in 1991 and the younger sibling in 1992, Speyer told the three judges hearing the appeal.

"It doesn't work. The only thing that works are the officially recorded dates of birth," she said.

The Shafias' team of lawyers also argued Friday that the trial judge should not have suggested to the jury that if they found statements the Shafias originally gave to police to be false, they could consider those statements as proof of guilt.

As well, they alleged the judge made several errors in law regarding the admissibility of various other evidence.

But the Crown on Friday said all of the points raised in the appeal are inconsequential in the face of the overwhelming evidence presented at trial that showed beyond a doubt that the vehicle in which the sisters and Mohammad were travelling was intentionally pushed into the canal and the three members of the Shafia family were responsible.

Shafia appeal: Expert's 'honour killing' testimony wasn't cultural profiling, Crown says - Canada - CBC News

I sincerely hope this will be the last we see of this murderous group - may they rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
 

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Four innocent Canadians were murdered simply because they chose to live
the Canadian dream. The only way I would advocate for opening the case is
this. Move the boy to adult court and triple the sentence
 

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Four innocent Canadians were murdered simply because they chose to live
the Canadian dream. The only way I would advocate for opening the case is
this. Move the boy to adult court and triple the sentence

There haven't been many times when I wished we had the death penalty in Canada - in this instance, I would pull the switch or drop the pellet myself. Even before their lives were taken, these women were subjected to cruelty, beatings, imprisonment in their own home and constant harassment. I earnestly hope the remaining children are getting the counseling and guidance they desperately need - each one of the three stood steadfastly by their parents and older brother - they lied about conditions in the home and acted as spies when outside the home.
 

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This is an example of the depths of depravity humans can reach in this infection and virus called religion. These are not humans they are rabid dogs. And they need to be put out of their misery before they hurt others again.
 

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This is an example of the depths of depravity humans can reach in this infection and virus called religion. These are not humans they are rabid dogs. And they need to be put out of their misery before they hurt others again.

They do, Ludlow but it won't happen here and except for this case and just a few others, I am content with that.

They are sentenced to 25 years - the maximum here - with no chance of parole before then. Chances are the parents will never see the outside of their prison walls again once the Judge sends them back - as I presume he will - his decision is at this time, reserved. The son may have a chance but if he is paroled he will immediately be put on a plane back to Afghanistan where no doubt he will be welcomed as a hero. I hope any future parole board takes that into consideration.
 

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They do, Ludlow but it won't happen here and except for this case and just a few others, I am content with that.

They are sentenced to 25 years - the maximum here - with no chance of parole before then. Chances are the parents will never see the outside of their prison walls again once the Judge sends them back - as I presume he will - his decision is at this time, reserved. The son may have a chance but if he is paroled he will immediately be put on a plane back to Afghanistan where no doubt he will be welcomed as a hero. I hope any future parole board takes that into consideration.
Any half way reasonable human being would consider this type of activity that these parasites have committed to be heinous at best. I don't like to pass judgment on all Muslims for the actions of a few. Like throwing the baby out with the bath water but sooner or later you have to ask, what the fvck good is this religion? Tell me one positive thing about this damn virus. It is used to kill innocent people and has a desire to dominate and subjugate everyone it touches. Who can blame anyone for having bad feelings for this infection called Islam.?
 

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Any half way reasonable human being would consider this type of activity that these parasites have committed to be heinous at best. I don't like to pass judgment on all Muslims for the actions of a few. Like throwing the baby out with the bath water but sooner or later you have to ask, what the fvck good is this religion? Tell me one positive thing about this damn virus. It is used to kill innocent people and has a desire to dominate and subjugate everyone it touches. Who can blame anyone for having bad feelings for this infection called Islam.?

Not one member of the family ever entered or worshiped in a mosque since their immigration to Canada - so they were hardly devout. Honor killings are part of Sharia law a branch of the Islamic faith practiced by the fanatical. Moderate Muslims do not in any way condone such practices.

I put the blame squarely where it lies with a foul, despicable creature who saw the females in his family as little more than chattel and thus was able to dispose of them as he saw fit.
 

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Any half way reasonable human being would consider this type of activity that these parasites have committed to be heinous at best. I don't like to pass judgment on all Muslims for the actions of a few. Like throwing the baby out with the bath water but sooner or later you have to ask, what the fvck good is this religion? Tell me one positive thing about this damn virus. It is used to kill innocent people and has a desire to dominate and subjugate everyone it touches. Who can blame anyone for having bad feelings for this infection called Islam.?



I'll agree with you when you can show me how "Islam" has done anything. Not those that "claim" to be Muslim and "claim" to be following Islam, but Islam itself. Show me where IT has done anything "heinous".
 

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I'll agree with you when you can show me how "Islam" has done anything. Not those that "claim" to be Muslim and "claim" to be following Islam, but Islam itself. Show me where IT has done anything "heinous".
The founder of the religion had sex with a nine year old. You don't consider that to be heinous? I've read a studied the five pillars of Islam and for the most part everything is pretty much positive but the religion has inspired some negative actions by it' followers Gerry. You can call them rogue,,or extremists or whatever the fact remains there is a connection between atrocities and this religion.

The fact is if you are not a member of this particular faith you are considered an infidel. You can read the Quran and find out how infidels should be treated.
 

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The founder of the religion had sex with a nine year old. You don't consider that to be heinous? I've read a studied the five pillars of Islam and for the most part everything is pretty much positive but the religion has inspired some negative actions by it' followers Gerry. You can call them rogue,,or extremists or whatever the fact remains there is a connection between atrocities and this religion.


zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. Islam hasn't done squat.




Let's put it this way...


Fu cking useless america. Fu ckin bombing and killing everyone all over the fu cking world. Plus they even shoot the fu ck outa each other in their own country. Fu cking shooting up schools, and parties and shyte. They have got to be THE WORST thing on this planet. Fu ckin prostitutes and *****s legal, drugs legal. Everyone can have a gun and shoot who ever the fu ck they want and it's been like that from the beginning, damn near.
 

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zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. Islam hasn't done squat.




Let's put it this way...


Fu cking useless america. Fu ckin bombing and killing everyone all over the fu cking world. Plus they even shoot the fu ck outa each other in their own country. Fu cking shooting up schools, and parties and shyte. They have got to be THE WORST thing on this planet. Fu ckin prostitutes and *****s legal, drugs legal. Everyone can have a gun and shoot who ever the fu ck they want and it's been like that from the beginning, damn near.
And that has what to do with Islam?

You're an idiot Gerry. You see the negative side of things which are aberrations and paint the whole canvas that one color. Why don't you travel our country and talk with the common people before you run your squirrelly little mouth and talk you bullshyt.
 

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And that has what to do with Islam?

You're an idiot Gerry. You see the negative side of things which are aberrations and paint the whole canvas that one color. Why don't you travel our country and talk with the common people before you run your squirrelly little mouth and talk you bullshyt.



Yup...zooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom


Now change the above from "Gerry" to "Ludlow" and you'd have it right in regards to the topic.
 

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Considering your intellect Gerry I consider your hatred of us to be a complement.

Incidentally dumbazz, there are many like myself who are against guns . I detest them. So stick your broad brush sweeping generalizations up your ignorant A$$
 

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Considering your intellect Gerry I consider your hatred of us to be a complement.


yup, still "zoooooooooooooooooooooomin" right along.




Do you work at supporting the typical American stereotype, or does it come natural to you?
 

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yup, still "zoooooooooooooooooooooomin" right along.




Do you work at supporting the typical American stereotype, or does it come natural to you?
You're the idiot promoting the stereotype dumbazz. What in the hell are you talking about have you had too many shrooms today?

You talk pretty big behind a computer why don't you come on over across the border for a vacation and share your opinions with us lousy Americans?

And you may as well discontinue your pretense of being smart because it ain't happenin Maynard.

Dang I actually got he last word in where'd the dummy go?