Russia, Ukraine reach ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine

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Where's Harper?
Crossing the Arctic Ocean, in a canoe he got from some Yank. Even upping his pay wouldn't help.
If the fix for the economy is not to the east or the west and we are the north then booking it south would seem to be an option that makes it to the table. He already expanded on PM Martins speech about the NAFTA being the government taking direction from international corporations. The part Harper may have missed is that the turnover is the day he gets a pink skip and the pensions stuff that was part of that illusion.
Label it 'taking one from the team', after all you will have to 'move back home'.
 
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It makes me laugh, the leaders of France and Germany - two core EU nations - trying to broker a peace deal in Ukraine.

It was, after all, as Ukip Deputy Chairman and the Ukip candidate for Shrewsbury & Atcham Suzanne Evans rightly pointed on on BBC Question Time in Norwich last night, the EU which provoked this whole affair.

The EU's leaders are coming out condemning Putin for taking over parts of Ukrainian territory, yet it was, as Mrs Evans pointed out last night, the expansionist EU which started this whole affair by itself trying to take over Ukrainian territory in the first place. It is the EU, not Russia, which is the expansionist force here (just look at how much the EU has expanded since just 2004; in 2003, the EU consisted of just 15 Member States; now it has nearly double that amount, with 28 Member States ), taking over whole countries even though, in the vast majority of cases, the people of those countries were never asked whether they want to be part of the EU or not. It is not Russia which is the expansionist power in Europe, but the EU.

Not long after the USSR broke up in 1991, the leaders of the EU (then known as the EEC) made a promise to the Russians that they will not expand into former Soviet territory. The EU broke that promise when it annexed the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in 2004, the year when the EU annexed TEN countries, and it was the EU's attempts to annex Ukraine, doing what it normally does to bribe a country into being taken over - by offering it loads of money (before it then strips that country of its natural resources) - that started this whole debacle in that country. It's no wonder Putin is angry.

Of course, when Suzanne Evans pointed out this inconvenient truth on Question Time last night the representativesof Britain's three out-of-touch Establishment parties on the panel - the "Energy and Climate Change" Secretary Ed Davey of the Liberal Democrats; the Shadow Minister of the Arts Chris Bryant of the Labour Party; and the Tory Mp for Totnes Dr Sarah Wollaston - all shouted Mrs Evans down and told her that her comments that the EU is to blame for the events in Ukraine are "outrageous". They even called her outrageous when she pointed out the obvious - that the EU has done more expanding of its territory and taking over its countries in the last 20 years than Russia has done, and then said that Britain is "better off in the EU" because we are provided with "great security" by the EU (thankfully, Mrs Evans pointed out that it's NATO, not the EU, which provides Europe's security) in such a situation (a situation which the EU provoked in the first place).

As usual, Ukip is the only party talking commonsense - pointing out that the EU, not Putin and Russia, are the aggressors in this case - whilst Labour, Tories and LibDems are talking out of their backsides and can't see things as they really are outside of their cosy Westminster bubble.
 
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Farage for PM. Vote Ukip on May 7th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lvDvMd1gl2o


Ukip's Suzanne Evans saying it as it is on BBC Question Time in Norwich last night on tax avoidance, Ukraine conflict, NHS and Labour's pink bus despite the gang of patronising liblabcon halfwits on the panel and the vetted Left-wing audience (which Question Time always has) ganging up on her. Go on, Suzanne! As always on QT, it was only Ukip talking any sense.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EgK-6KsOaVY
 
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Fantastic party full of people who speak more sense than the lefty, patronising Establishment parties which currently run Britain who wouldn't know real life in Britain and the rest of the world if it smacked them in the face. Mrs Evans is the only one on the panel last night who talked any sense, especially with her views on the Ukraine conflict, laying the blame squarely on the EU, the REAL expansionist power in Europe today. The EU is the aggressor. Not Putin. And Ukip recognise that, unlike the liblabcon bozos.
 

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I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain can see that Ukip makes even less sense than extreme lefties.

Just listen to all the crap that comes out of Nigel Disparage's mouth.
 

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I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain can see that Ukip makes even less sense than extreme lefties.

Just listen to all the crap that comes out of Nigel Disparage's mouth.


Give me some examples of how Ukip don't make sense.

If you can...


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So no examples have yet been forthcoming on how Ukip don't talk sense. How interesting....

Of course, we all know the real reason why none have been forthcoming from you. It's because Ukip are the only one of Britain's four biggest parties who talk sense. No PC-speak twaddle and claptrap like you get from the Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats. Ukip just say it as it is.

Nigel Farage: Stop opposing Vladmir Putin in Ukraine and join forces to defeat Islamic terrorists

The Ukip leader says that West must stop poking the Russian leader with a stick and realise he is 'on our side' in the fight against terror



By Georgia Graham, Political Correspondent
16 Sep 2014
The Telegraph

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Ukip leader Nigel Farage: “This EU Empire, ever seeking to expand, stated its territorial claim on the Ukraine some years ago. Just to make that worse of course some Nato members said they too would like the Ukraine to join Nato. We directly encouraged the uprising in Ukraine that led to the toppling of the president Yanukovych and that led in turn of course to Vladimir Putin reacting."


The West must stop opposing Vladimir Putin’s incursion into Ukraine and join forces with the Russian leader in the fight against Islamic extremists, Nigel Farage has said,

The Ukip leader said that Western countries must stop "playing war games in Ukraine and poking the “Russian bear with a stick” because Mr Putin is “on our side” in the war against Islamic extremism.

Mr Farage courted controversy earlier this year when he said that Mr Putin, the former KGB officer, is the statesman he most admires.

In a debate this morning at the European Parliament Mr Farage a sympathetic interpretation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he said European states had “directly encouraged” the uprising that “led in turn to Vladimir Putin reacting”.

Mr Putin has been blamed by the West for prolonging the bloodshed in Syria and propping up the regime by supplying arms including helicopter gunships to President Assad, and repeatedly blocking moves to censure or sanction him at the United Nations.

However Mr Farage suggested that these differences should be put aside with Russia and European nations “preparing a plan” to defeat to deal with “the real threat that faces us”.

He said: “Perhaps we better recognise that the West faces the biggest threat and crisis to our way of life we have seen for over 70 years. The recent beheadings of the British and American hostages graphically illustrates the problem and of course we have our own citizens from our own countries engaged in that struggle too.

“In the war against Islamic extremism, whatever we may think of him as a human being, he is actually on our side.

“I suggest we grow up, I suggest we recognise the real threat facing all of our countries, communities and societies, we stop playing war games in the Ukraine and we start to prepare a plan like Syria, like Iraq, like Kenya like Nigeria or Syria and help deal with the real threat that faces us. Let’s not go on provoking Putin whether we like him or not.”

He added: "Amongst the long list of foreign policy failures and contradictions in the last few year, amongst them the bombing of Libya, the desire to arm the rebels in Syria, has been the unnecessary provocation of Vladimir Putin.

“This EU Empire, ever seeking to expand, stated its territorial claim on the Ukraine some years ago. Just to make that worse of course some Nato members said they too would like the Ukraine to join Nato

“We directly encouraged the uprising in Ukraine that led to the toppling of the president Yanukovych and that led in turn of course to Vladimir Putin reacting. And the moral of the story is if you poke the Russian bear with stick...”

Video: Nigel Farage: Stop opposing Vladmir Putin in Ukraine and join forces to defeat Islamic terrorists - Telegraph
 
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The response to the Nicholas Fromage game is yet another reminder that Ukip can dish it out, but they can't take it

It is sad, watching Britain's professional offence-takers take over more and more of our public life. You can't say anything these days without someone clutching their pearls or dropping their monocle and telling you how terribly inappropriate your harmless banter was.

Yes, it is absolutely extraordinary how thin-skinned Ukip supporters are.

Which is funny, really, since they're the ones who are always telling us that the latest hilarious outburst by a Ukip councillor or MEP or parliamentary candidate or whatever is just a bit of fun and that the people who raise an eyebrow at it are out of touch with how real people speak outside the Westminster bubble. A man called Kerry Smith calls gay people poofters and Chinese people "Chinkies" and suggests going on "peasant hunts" in Essex, and Nigel Farage thinks that's earthy working-class man-of-the-people stuff. A chairman of a local Ukip branch claimed that some gay people "prefer sex with animals", so in apparent agreement the local candidate told a story about how a "homosexual donkey" tried to rape his horse. A potential candidate called Chris Scotton "liked" a Facebook site which claimed that racism was "just ethnic banter". Another blamed Jewish people for the Holocaust. All this stuff, according to a Ukip spokesperson, was "ordinary people many of whom are young and have made the odd excessive comment on new media". It's just top bantz, a bit of silly horseplay, nothing to get too excited about, and the Offended of Islington like yours truly just can't take a joke.

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In fairness, maybe that's true. These aren't, generally, the Ukip standard bearers, although Roger Helmer and Godfrey Bloom were pretty senior and said/did some pretty spectacular things (****s and bongo-bongo land were the best, probably). And Farage himself has dropped some clangers. But in general, it's local councillors or even candidates for council elections; the fact that in the serried ranks of party nobodies it is possible to hunt out some boorish and/or stupid people saying boorish and/or stupid things should not, perhaps, surprise us. Maybe we should be able to rise above it a bit.

What's funny, though, is how incapable of rising above it Ukip is when something faintly rude is said about them. Yesterday, it broke that a mobile game had been made in which you could play Nicholas Fromage, the leader of a party called Ukik. The game was you kick immigrants off the White Cliffs of Dover, winning racism-points and damaging the British economy as you did so.

The real-life Mr Fromage, fierce defender of banter-squadrons everywhere, of course, took it with the sang-froid and buffalo-like hide for which he is rightly famous. Oh no wait, sorry, he blew his lid in spectacular style. "Those elements are risible and in many ways pathetic. I think I'm quite well known for having a sense of humour… but elements of this game appear to cross the line." Which is particularly funny since the Ukik game was made entirely by a bunch of Kent schoolchildren.

But this is just par for the course when it comes to Ukip. They can dish it out - "it" being a series of ugly comments about gay people, immigrants, ethnic minorities, bi-curious donkeys, women, Muslims and, of course, LibLabCon - but as soon as anyone issues the faintest criticism of Ukip itself, out come the smelling salts. A Green party member in Cambridge had a visit from the police after tweeting a jokey piece called "10 reasons to vote Ukip". The Ukip-supporting James Delingpole, formerly of this parish, has complained that Farage was "stitched up" in an interview with Steph and Dom, the posh ones off of Gogglebox. You really aren't in the right job if you're a politician who's been outfoxed by two tipsy B&B owners.

The place you'll see this the most, of course, is online. Under every piece criticising Ukip - even gently; even in the context of a generally positive piece - there will be 5,000 comments, most of them from people with names like Aethelred or Defender_Of_The_Realm44, roaring about anti-Ukip conspiracies and the mainstream media's efforts to keep the party down. (By, for instance, getting Farage on Question Time every three days.) Tweet anything remotely rude about Ukip and you'll see a similar response (the trick is to mute them, and leave them shouting ineffectually into the void, guys. You can have that one for free). And this is unique to Ukip. If you say comparably critical things about Labour, or the Tories, or the Greens, or the Lib Dems, you won't have to spend two days fighting angry spam.

And yet no one in Ukip has the self-awareness to see that they can't have it both ways. Either you're a proud warrior for free speech - I may not agree with what you say about ****s who won't clean behind the fridge, but I will defend to the death your right to say it! - or you're not. You can't be a Voltaire for the things you agree with and a weeping crybaby when someone's a bit mean to you. For all their posing as brave sayers of the unsayable and champions of the forgotten British values of calling a spade a spade or whatever, Farage and his weeping bunch of milquetoasts have skins of dry parchment. Toughen up, guys. Nicholas Soames once put it brilliantly, in reference to Mr Fromage: "In politics, there is no point being a shrinking f-----g violet is there?"


Nigel Farage and Ukip's crybabies need to learn to take criticism - Telegraph