Rich and Poor Gap widdening : NDP

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: Rich and Poor Gap widdening : NDP

A person living on welfare has a better standard of living than a person who works full time on minimum wage.

This statement requires some further refinement.

Do you mean to attack welfare recipiants or do you mean to congradulate minimum wage earners?

Socialism pays dividends capitalism sucks.

What minimum is met by minimum wage?

What class benifits most from current minimum wage legislation?

 

[Vicious]

RE: Rich and Poor Gap wid

Socialism brings everyone down to the same level of mediocrity.

A meritocracy ensures those with the talent succeed.

If society does not reward talent and risk takers you'd be hand writing your opinions.

Do you have an example where socialism pays dividends?

Minimum wage should be abolished it distorts the true value of the work performed.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Rich and Poor Gap widdening : NDP

"Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may stop showing up."

that has never happened and probably never will

great exercise in make-believe, though.

Lots of us Canadians in the US who do the taxes and wonder if its worth the effort to move back.

 

[BitWhys]

you seem to have missed by point.

curious, that.

 

[Toro]

you seem to have missed by point.

curious, that.

No, junior, I got it.

 

[BitWhys]

RE: Rich and Poor Gap wid

you seem to have missed by point.

curious, that.

No, junior, I got it.

Junior?

bite me

if you know wtf I'm talking about then speak to it instead of talking around it like the cowardly troll you are proving yourself to be.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Rich and Poor Gap wid

Junior?

bite me

if you know wtf I'm talking about then speak to it instead of talking around it like a coward

If you don't like being b!tch-slapped, don't start it.

you seem to have missed by point.

curious, that.

Got it?

"Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may stop showing up."

that has never happened and probably never will

great exercise in make-believe, though.

Emphasis added on the word never

I'm saying that so far despite all the caterwailing the concentration of wealth has actually increased so that argument is all sneeze and no symptoms. You don't analyze a macroeconomic problem with a microscope.

So tell me, why do tax havens like the Cayman islands exist? So people can get their money out of the country and pay more taxes?

In places where funds are being expropriated, people move their money out of the country. If people think taxes are too high, they avoid them, sometimes illegally.

In the UK in the mid-70s, the country was facing a foreign exchange crisis because people were moving their money out of the country and had to take loans from the IMF, in part because the clueless Labour Party had tax rates as high as 98% on "unearned" capital gains. So to say this has never happened is flat out wrong.

Your concentration of wealth argument is irrelevent because there is no evidence that the current tax structure in Canada, the US or even Europe is excessive. Thus, you cannot make any conclusion that the concentration of wealth is rising in spite of "excessive" taxes because taxes aren't considered to be excessive.

 

[BitWhys]

Lots of us Canadians in the US who do the taxes and wonder if its worth the effort to move back.

Your concentration of wealth argument is irrelevent because there is no evidence that the current tax structure in Canada, the US or even Europe is excessive.

that last part's a keeper. heh.

pick a horse

 

[I think not]

BitWhys

That's so unlike you, you take words out of context to make up an argument. You're smarter than that.

 

[BitWhys]

what have I taken out of context?

 

[Jay]

36 Large is pretty damn good for entry-level +1 yr with on-the-job training.

Jay: what percent of government employees make that kind of wage?

I don't know.


I would imagine quite a few. Just look at teachers salaries in Ontario, that should give you a good idea on who makes what.

 

[BitWhys]

I thought so.

 

[BitWhys]

36 Large is pretty damn good for entry-level +1 yr with on-the-job training.

Jay: what percent of government employees make that kind of wage?

I don't know.


I would imagine quite a few. Just look at teachers salaries in Ontario, that should give you a good idea on who makes what.

top bracket > $85,700

Ontario teachers?

In Ontario, teachers’ salaries are determined by each board through negotiation with the local teachers’ federations. The salaries range from approximately $38,000 to $70,000 annually. The increase occurs over a 10 – 13 year period as you add qualifications and gain experience.

$70K < $87.5K

You'd be better off following the party line and limiting your counting to 5.

 

[Jay]

You'd be better off following the party line and limiting your counting to 5.

What?

 

[Jay]

top bracket > $85,700

That is correct.

 

[BitWhys]

its a new joke by Ruby Dhalla

check the Hansards tomorrow.

 

[Jay]

OK.....

 

[BitWhys]

top bracket > $85,700

That is correct.

and Ontario teacher's salaries aren't, so your effort to pull them into this is misplaced.

 

[Jay]

Aren't what?

 

[BitWhys]

People in the top bracket, earning more than $85,700 a year, have seen their incomes rise 15 per cent between 1989 and 2004, MPs said Thursday, citing data from Statistics Canada.

Maybe the government should stop giving it's employees raises then.

in the top bracket