Residential Schools....Are You Kidding me

[Lester]

My nephew lives with his wife on a reservation south of Calgary- He picked up the black irish gene in our family and has black hair and a dark complexion, everybody there thinks he's native. He told me that the natives have their fair share of whitey jokes as whites have their share of native jokes. If your thin skinned enough you'll perceive everything as racisist even if it's poking fun. for example I'm German and Irish

Q: what do you get when you cross a German and an Irishman.

A: A pisstank who wants to rule the world.

Some people will get all pissed off about it, but why? it's not true it's an absurdity, that's what makes it funny(subjectively)

 

[gerryh]

I'm sorry, but, most of the bigotry you discuss doesn't sound like native issues. The assertion was that the majority of albertans are prejudiced against natives. Now, if you assert that the majority of Canadians have some sort of prejudice, you'd be completely correct. BC'ers tend to dislike Albertans. Albertans tend to dislike the Quebecois. All of the races (and I mean all... I've seen as much race hate from minorities as I have from caucasians) tend to have an undercurrent of distrust in other races. Add them all together, and you definitely come out with the majority (I'd say the VAST majority even), who possess a prejudice of some form or another.

EXACTLEY

 

[gerryh]

rotflmffao!!!

Love the new sig btw Gh...

eta: That's FBI...f'n big Indian...

Know what pisses me off even more?....... Stupidity masquerading as intelligence.

 

[Scott Free]

You do the same Scott. I simply say that the assertion that 'the majority' are racist is wrong, and you seem to think that means I think racism doesn't exist. People make grand leaps all the time. I started a whole thread dedicated to my irritation over the issue entitled 'extrapolate my view'. Give a few little tidbits (ie, I'm Catholic, white, have been with the same man since I was 14, live in oil country) and watch how people can run with those little tidbits to extrapolate a view based on stereotyping. Because it seems that few people are willing to view the world of personal opinion in grey scale.

Actually I was commenting to Albertabound. It seemed from his(?) comment that he thought I meant natives weren't prejudice or couldn't be.

And to answer your post: I don't assume because someone says one thing it means they hold the opposite to be true (that is specifically what I was posting about). I hope people are smarter than that but I suspect they probably, on whole, aren't. It seems people have to have an either or belief system with no room for gray. It's sad IMO.

BTW, I participated in your "extrapolate my view" thread and enjoyed it. It also made your point very well I think.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Know what pisses me off even more?....... Stupidity masquerading as intelligence.

:roll:

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Now they are finding deaths are occuring to former residential school students that have received payouts. They are now asking for the government to step in with programs for those who have recieved the payouts......What the F....

First of all good for you....anyone that thought money would be the answer to their false problems as a result of the residential schooling is living in a magical world. Money does not and can not heal these issues. Now that people that received this funding are parishing because of over drinking, the native community want the govl. to pay for a cure to the problem. How about you take it out of the money that was given to you and pay for your own education on the subject.

The fact that none of these people are putting their new fund monies into anything other than boozing burns me right up. Are they puting this money towards schooling to better them selvs....no. Are they puting towards health issues...no. Are you puting towards your home...no. You wanted the evil thing known as money as a cure .....well now you have. Deal with it, and quit asking the government to bail you out all the time. Especially for something you demanded.

I've been listening to some of the stories about residential survivors (and that's exactly what they are) on CBC and find it hard to believe anyone in this country can be so cold-hearted on this subject. Young native kids were subjected to what amounts to torture and many sucumbed to the harsh treatment they suffered while under government sanctioned care. Many others lost their innocence and any chance of living a healthy life long ago. And while financial compensation may not be the best solution, it's totally ignorant to blame them for a tragedy that has its roots in mainstream Canadian society.

You're another one of these bigots that loves to blame the victim.

 

[Walter]

You're another one of these bigots that loves to blame the victim.

Bloody WASP's.

 

[MHz]

you even cried during Dances With Wolves, right?

You do know they would actually eat you if you ever approached one (the others being close by but hidden from sight) right?
As for having to use compensation money for 'rehab', that isn't the way it works. Rehab is a separate cost, ask any court that covers injury claims.

The issue of racial tension between 'Whites' and 'Natives' is different from the same racial tension between any two different cultures in what way? Almost any city has boundaries that if a person crosses it they are in danger of physical harm.

My Mother once told me that during WWII people worked together in harmony, the reason, they all shared a 'common threat', once that threat was gone things went back to the same old same old.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Bloody WASP's.

Didn't say a thing about whites anglo-saxons or protestants, bigots come in all forms.

so do idiots

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Bloody WASP's.

Walter you take the price for bigotry in this forum! What is a WASP, Bloody Genuines; probably bloody poofters? Why is it so hard for you Walt to refrain from your bigotry.

 

[Walter]

Didn't say a thing about whites anglo-saxons or protestants, bigots come in all forms.

so do idiots

Bloody idiots.

 

[Walter]

Walter you take the price for bigotry in this forum! What is a WASP, Bloody Genuines; probably bloody poofters? Why is it so hard for you Walt to refrain from your bigotry.

Bloody bigots.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Bloody idiots.

bloody spammers

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Bloody bigots.

Hey Walter you win the day today, if you are looking for a BIGOT, WASP, POOFTER or an IDIOT, man save your self the drive during rush hour traffic. Just lock your self in the bathroom and take a close look at your self; you will be amassed with what you will discover. All the slurs that you have posted on this forum declare you as a current or past disgruntled member of the KKK. Tell everyone on this forum what a BLOODY POOFTER IS. Come on Walter you can do it; it takes a little balls Walter unless you don’t have any. Now you know Walt who is the bigot. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

 

[CDNBear]

I've been listening to some of the stories about residential survivors (and that's exactly what they are) on CBC and find it hard to believe anyone in this country can be so cold-hearted on this subject. Young native kids were subjected to what amounts to torture and many sucumbed to the harsh treatment they suffered while under government sanctioned care. Many others lost their innocence and any chance of living a healthy life long ago. And while financial compensation may not be the best solution, it's totally ignorant to blame them for a tragedy that has its roots in mainstream Canadian society.

You're another one of these bigots that loves to blame the victim.

As the Grand Son of a survivor let me be the first to tell you that not all the claimants are real.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

As the Grand Son of a survivor let me be the first to tell you that not all the claimants are real.

So what are you saying Bear that the ones that were abused their claims are lesser in merit?

 

[Zzarchov]

Actually what he's saying appears to be that while there are those evil enough to perpetrate evils acts,

there are also those evil enough to lie about such acts for self gain, abusing the system and making it harder for those who did suffer.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Actually what he's saying appears to be that while there are those evil enough to perpetrate evils acts,

there are also those evil enough to lie about such acts for self gain, abusing the system and making it harder for those who did suffer.

That doesn’t do justice for the ones whose real identity was f cked with.
Sex crimes against native children took place and many innocent people became life victims. Making the assertion that there were many others who lied is a big pile of hog manure. We are talking about the ones who did not lie to get compensation. Following your statements you and Bear you are suggesting that because there were liars in the mix the victims suddenly have no case. Man oh man real brains. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

 

[CDNBear]

So what are you saying Bear that the ones that were abused their claims are lesser in merit?

I think Z summed it best.

Actually what he's saying appears to be that while there are those evil enough to perpetrate evils acts,

there are also those evil enough to lie about such acts for self gain, abusing the system and making it harder for those who did suffer.

That doesn’t do justice for the ones whose real identity was f cked with.
Sex crimes against native children took place and many innocent people became life victims. Making the assertion that there were many others who lied is a big pile of hog manure. We are talking about the ones who did not lie to get compensation. Following your statements you and Bear you are suggesting that because there were liars in the mix the victims suddenly have no case. Man oh man real brains. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

I have difficulty buying the "life victims" BS. My Grand Father seemed to have survived and never became one. As did many of the other survivors I know. Life is what you make of it.

 

[Albertabound]

Cobalt-Kid

You're another one of these bigots that loves to blame the victim.

So tell me Cobalt. What makes me a bigot in this case? I have already mentioned about the
Doukabours having gone through the same situation as the Natives have when it comes to
residential schools, and you don't see them crying for money because of it.....now do you.
Why is there no equality in that case? So please tell me Cobalt, what makes me a bigot
as a result of my statements. I also at no point put the blame on them, I however do not
accept any blame at the same time. I had nothing to do with the residential school system
but I sure seem to be paying for it now. Once again this all comes down to responsibility
and the lack of it. This thread is about the Native people wanting the government to do
something about the trouble they are in now that they have received their CASH payout.
I am merly stating that they should at some point in their life accept responsibility for their own
actions. Am I alone.