Renters exceeding their means

[MikeyDB]

It's always been a case of the "truth" being lost amid the wash of whining by those whose financial and educational experiences and opportunities have been subsidized. It's taken a personal acquaintanceship with reality dramatically altered in the space of a few seconds (stroke) to appreciate how phoney and artificial the world actually is.

Luckily terrorism is the ultimate equal opportunity employer and with any luck those who've got it coming will get it.

 

[snowles]

I suppose it depends on how you look at it, but I say the Liberals won it and their not giving up any of the money they are taking from the system.

Apparently paying high school teachers 85K a year (top salary) and having the provincial government guarantee their pension is all about the "kids".

...I think a lot of people in Ontario feel that way, hence Mike Harris and his fight with the Teachers unions (as an example).

Yes, and paying MPPs 103K a year (top salary) and having the provincial government guarentee their pension is A-OK, as it's all about the "people". ukeright:At least the teacher's union invests their money into some of the largest companies in Ontario and nationally.

Futher, there are next to no teachers in that bracket of salary anymore. To do so, you have to be working at a private or a Catholic school, in an A-4 classification, with at least 11 full years experience. Thanks to early retirement packages and higher than usual enrollment in teacher's education post-graduate programs, it's not an issue.

I also seem to remember the majority of people being supportive of the teacher's union, after his little dances with the province's other large unions and the weeks of endless strikes by workers. I also remember how the next election turned out after Harris chicken-tailed it out of there and dumped that steaming pile onto Ernie Eves - it still stinks enough that after the past 4 years, Dithering Dalton will still win the provincial election.

 

[MikeyDB]

Good Ole Erie Eaves....

When all the conservatives whined about how much they were paying for electricity good ole Ernie capped the rates and now we all get to pay off that debt today on our electricity bills in Ontario...

Conservatism is about protecting the status quo and that means make sure the rubes don't get irritated when reality doesn't please them...

 

[Kreskin]

Luckily terrorism is the ultimate equal opportunity employer and with any luck those who've got it coming will get it.

Mikey, I can appreciate your concerns. My mother in law was in a car accident, half body paralyzed and serious head trauma. She's on disability pension and had similar government experiences. It really bothers me when those who have alot believe they've earned it and those who don't just haven't worked hard enough. Pompous arrogance at its worst.

I do have an issue with you here though. The promoting of terrorism. Not only is that not condoned from a forum policy perspective, it's not right.

 

[MikeyDB]

It's only a difference of where the troops are sent Kreskin.

The British and the French sent theirs to Canada to kill natives, we send ours to Afghanistan to kill Afghanis....

 

[Tonington]

The context of those two situations is completely different.

 

[Jay]

Yes, and paying MPPs 103K a year (top salary) and having the provincial government guarentee their pension is A-OK, as it's all about the "people". At least the teacher's union invests their money into some of the largest companies in Ontario and nationally.

Futher, there are next to no teachers in that bracket of salary anymore. To do so, you have to be working at a private or a Catholic school, in an A-4 classification, with at least 11 full years experience. Thanks to early retirement packages and higher than usual enrollment in teacher's education post-graduate programs, it's not an issue.

I also seem to remember the majority of people being supportive of the teacher's union, after his little dances with the province's other large unions and the weeks of endless strikes by workers. I also remember how the next election turned out after Harris chicken-tailed it out of there and dumped that steaming pile onto Ernie Eves - it still stinks enough that after the past 4 years, Dithering Dalton will still win the provincial election.

Yes the teachers pension plan does invest in Ontario etc....they have the financial wherewithal to do what ever the hell they want.

There are plenty of A-4 teachers around and my wife is working on hers right now. Of all her colleagues I don't know one that isn't (I don’t know them all either). Reaching your 10 year salary cap isn't a huge feat and lots of them do live that long. How many years ago was it that Harris retired off those teachers...six seven years ago?

You need a 4 year BA and an upgrade course to reach this level....3 year BA, I'm not exactly sure if they can reach the top level, but it isn't far off the mark. You leave university at 25 and put ten years in and your making 85K(give or take a bit) at 35 and slide in another 20 years of this with constant raises, your not exactly poor now are you, quit well off if you ask me, especially if your teaching grade 9 history....

Mike Harris won two elections before he retired. If you remember everyone supporting the teachers you probably live in Jack Layton’s riding. Handing Harris another majority government after bill 160 simply proves the power of the silent majority in Ontario at the time. The union had an illegal strike, butted heads with Ontario and lost; Harris did give into some demands mind you.

Many people aren't under the impression we elect governments to enter into negotiations with the teachers union and many people feel the civil service in Ontario is taking us for a ride.

All I'm doing is pointing out that these services are dipping a little to far into the pockets of the province etc, and this money might be better spent else where.

I mean really, you don't think teachers vote NDP and Liberal because they want less money in their pockets.

 

[MikeyDB]

The context of those two situations is completely different.

Tonnington

I would agree that there are contextual differences, but look beyond those differences.....

A short while ago our government decided it appropriate to apologize to Chinese who paid the head tax to come to Canada ... after these people were used by the Canadian Pacific Railway and the government of that time to build the binding "link" to secure the Dominion of Canada.....


The very same people who benefited from use of the Chinese as virtual slave labour decided that a head tax was something appropriate to demand of Chinese seeking entry to Canada…..

And Canadians are willing to tolerate and a few right here at Canadian Content think it inappropriate to both apologize to the Chinese community and fear the precedent of “paying” in the name of addressing a social wrongdoing by our government and the people of the time!

And Stephen Harper and Canadians have the temerity to suggest that we can point a finger at China today and chastise them for their “human rights” abuses???

When injustice is permitted as a “necessary evil” (perfectly acceptable at some particularly convenient time) in the name of some social philosophy or in the name of “security” or any of any number of unjust “rationales”, that’s a reflection not of the great difficulties of building a nation or trying times faced by pioneers and early settlers but the preparedness to tolerate if not embrace discrimination contempt and disdain for minorities and “outsiders”.

The injustices suffered by the Chinese, the injustices suffered by Germans Japanese and Italians in the name of national security during wartime….all these phenomena are part of the Canadian gestalt.

Why is anyone surprised that the poor the disabled and the elderly, aboriginals, homosexuals… any group that can be labelled identified and preyed upon by the “good” people of Canada are fair game….

It’s how we’ve done things here in Canada forever, the only difference between the context of THEN Mr.Tonnington and the NOW context is that we’ve found a different group of fellow human beings to marginalize…while of course Canadians continue to happily ignore injustices to and among our own people right here in Canada….miles from Afghanistan and Iraq or Israel and Palestine….

Canadians it seems are happy to live in a society and a culture that can situationally do away with human rights in those cases where the alternative would cost money they’d rather keep. Whether that’s the infamy of the head tax or the concentration camps of WWII and for decades and today the better solution is marginalizing the disabled the poor and the elderly…..

It’s the way we do things here in Canada dontcha know!

Load up another plane with combat troops for Afghanistan….we’ll show those savages how “good” people behave….

 

[temperance]

Some body coundnt live on 9.5 ka year

Lets ask 220,000 physically and mentally challeged people in Ontario how they live on 9 -10 thousand a year ,Like Mike said Hard lesson , and to get to that point most had to live on Wefare rates for a year to prove they counldnt work which is about 6 ,000 a year

Imagine going from a nice 25-35 thousand dollars a year job to being disabled (having to deal with lose of limb ,eye site ,what ever ) and live 25 % below poverty rate ,while you prove to ODSP you cant work

Yep, we care for our own ,let them beg at food banks for sugared goods ,(belive me when thats all there is they are thank ful ,the problem ends up being when the diabetic coma costs the hostipal system more money than it would have to properly feed that person .Prevention is lost in the Ontario Disabilty Program
But we need to send money to 3 rd world countires

then How about the Ministry of Community Services (ontario) they have 1 chairperson for odsp and Ow but 9 for commuicatiom and marketing --who are they marketing to the people that get the 9 thousand a year

I never really paid much attention to our social secuity nets ,until a friend ended up on ODSP at 25 years old ,Iam shocked on how he has to live ,and we do nothing about ,I pray people in other countires that look up to u.s as humanitarian get the real goods on what really happens here