"Religion"... ?

[MikeyDB]

OK I think I’ve got it!

If I’m mistaken regarding the identity I apologize in advance…

Someone posted in a thread on this forum that as far as they were concerned, imprisonment without due process and torture were perfectly acceptable processes/behaviors, and I believe that this was posted by you. Is that what you’re steamed about….do I have the right person here?

If not please let me know.

 

[Curiosity]

I don’t think I’m doing the best I can do when I teach anyone anything if I practice “political correctness” or allow sensitivity to corrupt fact.

When I said… “Anymore stupid questions”, I said that because the point has to be made and made with emphasis that when we choose to deny reality and garb ourselves in delusion voluntarily we commit the gravest disservice to both understanding and self-understanding.

If you believe that embracing some ersatz tolerance for the irrational is appropriate then I suppose you and I won’t be able to discuss too awfully much but I think what you’re really implying is that I somehow “owe” some measure of latitude to people who willingly embrace the irrational or to be more PC…. “People who believe ABC and embrace those beliefs as convictions deserve respect for simply “believing”….

I couldn't disagree more.

Permitting the artifice of religious belief to guide behavior is the source of significant conflict in the world today. I can’t respect the individual who will tolerate murder in the name of their ‘god’ nor will I play some silly game that allows people to feel comfortable with their ignorance.

MikeyDB

This is a discussion forum and I thought we were here to share opinions and yes, learn from those we find something new and interesting....

The post I have just quoted is the kind of thing which would put anyone off from writing their own opinions because you have already damned many of them unworthy of your time.

There are solutions to the problem, but you know that. I have given you my criticism to soften your commentary.

Whether you agree with me or not probably doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things.

A small point in your world that you make certain we understand your opinion and will suffer no argument - from those "who feel comfortable with their ignorance".

 

[CDNBear]

OK I think I’ve got it!

If I’m mistaken regarding the identity I apologize in advance…

Someone posted in a thread on this forum that as far as they were concerned, imprisonment without due process and torture were perfectly acceptable processes/behaviors, and I believe that this was posted by you. Is that what you’re steamed about….do I have the right person here?

If not please let me know.

LMAO, are you really that daft?

You know full well, the challenges I've tossed at you, and yet you hide, and now fain a loss of cognitive thought, good one. Keep running, that is what your good at. Well that and crying, Here's a tissue.

 

[Said1]

I'm leaning towards your perspective. Power is politics. Some Shamman/Holy men, used fear to sway people to their will, a political trait if I've ever seen one. People bent and swayed to the wills of those they saw as powerful, to their detriment or bennefit. If the formeer were to case, then a new point of view would arrise and some one would step up to fill the new position and sway the collective will to the new order.

But where did humans lose touch with nature?

Was it as populations outgrew their territory creating a demand and increased competition for resources? The introduction of cheifdoms?

 

[CDNBear]

But where did humans lose touch with nature?

Was it as populations outgrew their territory creating a demand and increased competition for resources? The introduction of cheifdoms?

Yes to question number one, but it also had a lot to do with when goods, became easier to aquire at the general store then in the wild.

Chiefdoms? As in say, Native political structures? No, the reliance on nature was paramount. Contrary to popular belief, most Nations were almost strip mining nature, basicly clearing one area, then moving on to a fresh one. Leaving the prior to rejuevinate. Conservation by exemption as it were.

But each time, thanx was given, and therefore the Great Spirit, would see to it that the wild life would return.

Or did I get your question wrong,lol?

 

[MikeyDB]

LMAO, are you really that daft?

You know full well, the challenges I've tossed at you, and yet you hide, and now fain a loss of cognitive thought, good one. Keep running, that is what your good at. Well that and crying, Here's a tissue.

Yes I really am that daft...

If you'd give me a little something more to go on that would be helpful....

 

[MikeyDB]

If you want an appology or somethings got yer goat send me a message. If you want to play gladiator on the Internet then we can pretend to discuss something if you like.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes I really am that daft...

If you'd give me a little something more to go on that would be helpful....

Post #9, http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...e-machine-gun-against-taliban.html#post739254

Post #44, http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/51642-todays-kids-going-wimpiest-gen-ever-3.html#post739281

Post #17, http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...d-canadian-complicity-torture.html#post739253

 

[Said1]

Yes to question number one, but it also had a lot to do with when goods, became easier to aquire at the general store then in the wild.

Chiefdoms? As in say, Native political structures? No, the reliance on nature was paramount. Contrary to popular belief, most Nations were almost strip mining nature, basicly clearing one area, then moving on to a fresh one. Leaving the prior to rejuevinate. Conservation by exemption as it were.

But each time, thanx was given, and therefore the Great Spirit, would see to it that the wild life would return.

Or did I get your question wrong,lol?

Specialization of labour and surplus came after the introduction of the cheifdoms I'm referring too. The competition for resources and expansion of territory also predates commerce. I think this is where we see cosmology and ecology intertwined begin to be abandoned, creating classes, among other things. Large populations became a necessity for a multitude of reasons as well as the need to control them

And I would agree that not all cultures gave up their their traditional ecological practices in exchange for commerce and still practice ancient cosmologies today, including population control.

 

[MikeyDB]

Never read any of those posts....

Until now.

If you want a public response please name the thread and if you want to talk privately send me a PM.

I'll be more than happy to discuss this with you in a forum post by post if you like but I doubt anyone else is all that interested...

You decide.....

 

[CDNBear]

Specialization of labour and surplus came after the introduction of the cheifdoms I'm referring too. The competition for resources and expansion of territory also predates commerce. I think this is where we see cosmology and ecology intertwined begin to be abandoned, creating classes, among other things. Large populations became a necessity for a multitude of reasons as well as the need to control them

And I would agree that not all cultures gave up their their traditional ecological practices in exchange for commerce and still practice ancient cosmologies today, including population control.

I guess because of my up bringing and love of my ancestry, I have a sort of traditional view, that may or may not be relivant. But, at one time commerce was used by my people, but we had not given up our connection to nature. Before the influence of European ideologies, commerce was in some cases amicable. I others, it was war like. This continued on into the 70's by my recolection. My Grandfather ran trap lines and hunted Moose and Deer. What ever surplus he had he would trade with others for goods. I remember well my Seal skin boots he got in a trade for half a head of Moose with an Inu trapper. But the community was smaller and many still lived traditionally. Trading, trapping, hunting and religion seemed to go hand in hand.

 

[MikeyDB]

CDNbear

Decided Yet?

 

[CDNBear]

CDNbear

Decided Yet?

PM me and find out.

Shouldn't you be out surfing google for more deep thoughts to call your own?

 

[MikeyDB]

CDNbear and heritage.


“because of my up bringing and love of my ancestry, I have a sort of traditional view.”

To entertain the notion that this “up-bringing” and “love of my ancestry” could in any way be irrelevant is incredible.

That aside for the moment; You seem to offer your experiences in a “this is your ancestry…” kind of way have you noticed?

From reading those posting it sounds to me like you’ve had a hell of a whirl on life’s merry-go-round. Some of it you own as consequences of your own make-up involved dynamically in the experiences of others while in other parts of it you were both used and abused without much attention ever being paid to who you really are.

I feel badly that that was your experience …perhaps…you may just as likely have experienced a loving childhood and been propelled into your future by influences and forces beyond your control.

I had nothing to do with any of it.

You “exist” only as an image on the computer…or through the computer through what you write.

If convincing yourself about something is why you participate at Canadian Content….to measure yourself against other people or profess a value system and invite challenge, what’s the pay-off for you?

Do you think it reasonable that I should change my life to follow your advice and your guidelines based on what you’re writing on some Internet forum? Do you believe it’s reasonable that you expect me to change who I am on the basis of why you say…..

Is that any more reasonable than my asking you to change to suit me?

If there’s a point to all this then please let’s be much more specific.

 

[MikeyDB]

Still nothing from CDNbear

Sent a PM and no response....

 

[MikeyDB]

I don't write what I write to "please" people Curio, I write what I write because it needs to be said.

 

[CDNBear]

CDNbear and heritage.


“because of my up bringing and love of my ancestry, I have a sort of traditional view.”

To entertain the notion that this “up-bringing” and “love of my ancestry” could in any way be irrelevant is incredible.

That aside for the moment; You seem to offer your experiences in a “this is your ancestry…” kind of way have you noticed?

From reading those posting it sounds to me like you’ve had a hell of a whirl on life’s merry-go-round. Some of it you own as consequences of your own make-up involved dynamically in the experiences of others while in other parts of it you were both used and abused without much attention ever being paid to who you really are.

I feel badly that that was your experience …perhaps…you may just as likely have experienced a loving childhood and been propelled into your future by influences and forces beyond your control.

I had nothing to do with any of it.

You “exist” only as an image on the computer…or through the computer through what you write.

If convincing yourself about something is why you participate at Canadian Content….to measure yourself against other people or profess a value system and invite challenge, what’s the pay-off for you?

Do you think it reasonable that I should change my life to follow your advice and your guidelines based on what you’re writing on some Internet forum? Do you believe it’s reasonable that you expect me to change who I am on the basis of why you say…..

Is that any more reasonable than my asking you to change to suit me?

If there’s a point to all this then please let’s be much more specific.

Once again, snide, smug and completely oblivious.

I haven't answered you because I was busy, you are not my major concern. Not that you would ever rate above a zit any how..

 

[MikeyDB]

Charming

 

[china]

This is a forum, a discussion area where opinions and perspectives are invited.

If my opinion offends you then you have the opportunity of responding and if you choose “argue” for your point of view and the superiority ........
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Listen MikeyDB andCNDBear I am politely asking both of you gents.If you want to argue do it somewhere else ,not on my thread.Thanks , China

 

[The Project Man]

The Next Logical Step!

Having a natural understanding of our surroundings, humans naturally questioned who or what is the next logical step. I believe we viewed the creatures around us and saw we could talk and they could not. This would give “The next logical step” even greater abilities. From mans observations and the knowledge that we are at the top of the chain we theorized a deity. One who was not on this earth, simply because we could not see it. We also noticed that the only thing that really kicked our collective asses were the elements. We noticed that most of the time the elements were good to us but when winter came it was harsh. When winter ended new life seemed to have been born out of this action. Much like a “Mother” figure giving a rebirth to the sun. She will take care of you, but do not step out of line or else you will feel her wrath. I think this is were religion come from, the mother figure was a derivative. Most deities of what we call the simpler peoples were mostly female or the Sol (sun, in Catholicism: son). Hence, ergo, I.E., E.G. and all the other ones, Mother Nature.

Not until we learned people could be manipulated from such beliefs did it become a useful commodity! Then we had started the foundation of a god, much like ourselves, to be placed. This foundation was laid and built upon by influential peoples and families of what was deemed at the time, considerable power. The hierarchy: naturally being smarter than the rest, they must have been in some way to be set apart from the rest, in any way imaginable. Used this to call themselves closer to god and if not in fact gods themselves.

Building further upon this basement and first floor of belief, the “Want To Be’s” latched on becoming there subservient doers, yet retaining their own power over people. The purpose served by this is credence to the powers that are in hold. Having such devout followers eager to serves only helps further them up the pyramid. Common folk seeing the “Seconds” have prestige and a little power cling to them, perpetuating the third and fourth floors to be built.

What we ended up with is our own “Tower of Babel” that has fallen and divided the globe. With the “Prophets” working every angle to gain a foothold anywhere and anyway. The word prophet is great, comes along with “prophesier“! In religion, a prophet is a person who has directly encountered God, of whose intentions he can then speak. Those who are not prophets must then commit themselves to the divinely inspired word as an act of faith. This can be problematic, especially as there are false prophets. Even though prophets are the lowest of the low, used car salesmen, insurance salesmen, and every other politically incorrect thing I could say. It is through prophesizing that they get what they want out of the deal.

Religion is, without question, a Mega-Monopoly. Controlling not only great wealth, but even worse controlling people’s lives.

All of it is a derivative of “EGO”. Another great posting by China in this forum.