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You see, this is what I’m partial talking about. You see images like the ones you posted and you get a warm fuzzy feeling.
The images of voters or purple fingers doesn’t tell us much. Of course Afghans want a better life and if they think this is a way they will get it, they will of course participate. The reality of the political landscape is really the issue. If there is verified good, then we should talk about it and back it up with verifiable sources. If their is verified bad, then would should also have the courage to discuss that to. That is the only way we can all work towards the goals that befits everyone in an intelligent rather than emotional manner.
Symbolism is one thing but reality can be another.
An example of imagery is when George Bush made a televised speech about his economic plan at a St. Louis trucking company.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/
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“Volunteers for the White House covered "Made in China" stamps with white stickers on boxes arrayed on either side of the president. Behind Mr. Bush was a printed backdrop of faux boxes that read "Made in U.S.A.," the message the administration wanted to convey to the television audience.”
You know why they do this? Because people eat it all up. People toss out their critical thinking all the time to eat up the symbolism.
You see, this is what I’m partial talking about. You see images like the ones you posted and you get a warm fuzzy feeling.
The images of voters or purple fingers doesn’t tell us much. Of course Afghans want a better life and if they think this is a way they will get it, they will of course participate. The reality of the political landscape is really the issue. If there is verified good, then we should talk about it and back it up with verifiable sources. If their is verified bad, then would should also have the courage to discuss that to. That is the only way we can all work towards the goals that befits everyone in an intelligent rather than emotional manner.
Symbolism is one thing but reality can be another.
An example of imagery is when George Bush made a televised speech about his economic plan at a St. Louis trucking company.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/
(except)
“Volunteers for the White House covered "Made in China" stamps with white stickers on boxes arrayed on either side of the president. Behind Mr. Bush was a printed backdrop of faux boxes that read "Made in U.S.A.," the message the administration wanted to convey to the television audience.”
You know why they do this? Because people eat it all up. People toss out their critical thinking all the time to eat up the symbolism.
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Interesting piece in the National Post yesterday titled "Saddam is the Liar".
Turns out the intelligence services of the United States, Great Britain, Germany, France, China, and Russia all were reasonably certain Saddam had WMDs.
Here's the kicker: Saddam's own General Staff thought he had secret stockpiles of WMD, with which they would destroy Bush's invading armies. Post war interrogation revealed their shock and despair when they discovered there were no "secret weapons" for them to turn on the Yanks. They weren't informed until shortly before the invasion, and were completely demoralized by the revelation.
The belief in WMDs was not a deception, it was a perfectly understandable mistake.
BIG difference.
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Then you should show 70% of Iraqis in a picture with purple fingers. That would be a more honest picture to the statement you are making.
I hope the sentence isn't suggesting I'm left of politics. I'm just putting out what is verified. A hard right politician like Pat Buchanan is even making similar criticism on similar grounds when it comes to US politics.
Coining people with labels is counter productive to making a case. A commentary can stand on how value of the argument is presented regardless of who the speaker is. Attacking messengers personally is one of the lowest denominators in trying win support for one's position.
And I say this about ‘anyone’ who tries to make a case whether right or left of politics.
Then you should show 70% of Iraqis in a picture with purple fingers. That would be a more honest picture to the statement you are making.
I hope the sentence isn't suggesting I'm left of politics. I'm just putting out what is verified. A hard right politician like Pat Buchanan is even making similar criticism on similar grounds when it comes to US politics.
Coining people with labels is counter productive to making a case. A commentary can stand on how value of the argument is presented regardless of who the speaker is. Attacking messengers personally is one of the lowest denominators in trying win support for one's position.
And I say this about ‘anyone’ who tries to make a case whether right or left of politics.
I didn't say you were left, I said that is why I post the pics...not because of the warm fuzzy feelings they give people as you suggested.
Do you have a picture of 70% of Iraqis with there frick'n figures painted?
Did you really say anything in that post?
Do you have a picture of 70% of Iraqis with there frick'n figures painted?
Did you really say anything in that post?
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You can always find a good quote from somebody somewhere. Even with someone in France thinking something. But the fact still is there was no WMD that were there to be used on US troops. No WMDs found, and the case was made by experts that they didn't see the evidence to support the invasion based on this premise.
The whole argument to the world and to the American people was that Iraq possessed WMD and were a threat because of it. That was the case made for war. That was the case made to the American people. Not spreading democracy, not removing a dictator. Those reasons popped up after when they failed to find the proof to back up their actual case for war.
That is the FACT. And that has shown itself to be the REALITY.
Whether Saddam is an honest person or a liar, or what different people think or like to believe at different times doesn’t change anything. You don’t go to war with a country because you think their leader is a liar or scum bag. You go to war because their is hard evidence to justify it. The hard evidence wasn’t there, the doubts were their, the evidence proving against the wisdom for such an invasion was there. Powell’s case for war was proven false before he gave the speech but he gave it anyway.
Again a fact with the reality shown to support it. Hey, I wish it weren’t so. I wish I was making it all up, but I’m not the one making these discoveries.
You can always find a good quote from somebody somewhere. Even with someone in France thinking something. But the fact still is there was no WMD that were there to be used on US troops. No WMDs found, and the case was made by experts that they didn't see the evidence to support the invasion based on this premise.
The whole argument to the world and to the American people was that Iraq possessed WMD and were a threat because of it. That was the case made for war. That was the case made to the American people. Not spreading democracy, not removing a dictator. Those reasons popped up after when they failed to find the proof to back up their actual case for war.
That is the FACT. And that has shown itself to be the REALITY.
Whether Saddam is an honest person or a liar, or what different people think or like to believe at different times doesn’t change anything. You don’t go to war with a country because you think their leader is a liar or scum bag. You go to war because their is hard evidence to justify it. The hard evidence wasn’t there, the doubts were their, the evidence proving against the wisdom for such an invasion was there. Powell’s case for war was proven false before he gave the speech but he gave it anyway.
Again a fact with the reality shown to support it. Hey, I wish it weren’t so. I wish I was making it all up, but I’m not the one making these discoveries.
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Post your sources Colpy so we all have a fair share of your statements.
Post your sources Colpy so we all have a fair share of your statements.
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Very good post. Interesting how so many people are living in denial. I think it's sad how millions of people are getting duped by this Bush Administration... year after year. I just hope that we as Canadians are strong (and smart) enough to see through the lies and bullshit, and make our own decisions without becoming a slave to this crimminal organization.
elevennevele said:
Very good post. Interesting how so many people are living in denial. I think it's sad how millions of people are getting duped by this Bush Administration... year after year. I just hope that we as Canadians are strong (and smart) enough to see through the lies and bullshit, and make our own decisions without becoming a slave to this crimminal organization.