RCMP investigate ‘violent attack’ at Coastal GasLink work site in B.C.

Ron in Regina

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Extremes in any direction (Left or Right in politics just for example) are usually kind of cringe worthy. This doesn’t just apply to politics but to life in general for the most part.

What are extremes in one generation though change over time, as the definition of what is an extreme is fluid depending on current social constraints and what have you. Everybody considers themselves the centre when trying to define the extremes which complicates trying to define the extremes. 😁

I’m gonna make a big assumption here, and if somebody believes differently, please feel free to correct me, but who here on this forum does not believe that they are in the centre of the political spectrum?
 

Ron in Regina

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Yep, and about 80% of the people call themselves "middle class." Big class, that.
In our current federal government we have a “Minister of Middle Class” (or at least we did for a while because it’s 2015), but to the best of my knowledge they never defined legally what “Middle Class” even means legally in Canada.
 

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In our current federal government we have a “Minister of Middle Class” (or at least we did for a while because it’s 2015), but to the best of my knowledge they never defined legally what “Middle Class” even means legally in Canada.
Must be another one o' them terms everybody uses without knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

Like "upstanding" and "God-fearing" and "patriotic."

And "my rights."
 

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Extremes in any direction (Left or Right in politics just for example) are usually kind of cringe worthy. This doesn’t just apply to politics but to life in general for the most part.

What are extremes in one generation though change over time, as the definition of what is an extreme is fluid depending on current social constraints and what have you. Everybody considers themselves the centre when trying to define the extremes which complicates trying to define the extremes. 😁

I’m gonna make a big assumption here, and if somebody believes differently, please feel free to correct me, but who here on this forum does not believe that they are in the centre of the political spectrum?

I'm not sure I could say I'm center of the political spectrum, but I'm not left or right, either?

I know, doesn't make sense.
 

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I'm not sure I could say I'm center of the political spectrum, but I'm not left or right, either?

I know, doesn't make sense.
I'm on the z-axis, myself.

The whole "political spectrum" makes no damn sense anyhow. It was the seating arrangement of the parties in the French Assembly in 1789.
 
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Does it have to? Make sense I mean, as long as it makes sense to you?

I could say "it doesn't" and yet thinking like that can affect how a person votes.

I have voted Liberal, last election I voted Green. I COULD vote Conservative but my riding has no good Cons at all and the present Con government of NB has REALLY soured me to them ever for the province, so...

I think though that down to it, most people are either center or they swing any which way depending on their age or the issues of the day.
 

Ron in Regina

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I could say "it doesn't" and yet thinking like that can affect how a person votes.

I have voted Liberal, last election I voted Green. I COULD vote Conservative but my riding has no good Cons at all and the present Con government of NB has REALLY soured me to them ever for the province, so...

I think though that down to it, most people are either center or they swing any which way depending on their age or the issues of the day.
So are the people swinging, or is their concept of the centre swinging, depending on their age & the issues of the day?
 

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So are the people swinging, or is their concept of the centre swinging, depending on their age & the issues of the day?

A bit of both I think.

When I took political sci in high school, we had a "what is your political stance" exercise. Most an equal number of kids were either cons or liberals; a handful were 'other' including one Utopianist. At the time I was more liberal than I am now which is why I think age is a big factor in one's political views.

And then I voted Green provincially, not because I support ALL their causes, but because they at least seemed to give more of a shit for my local area, than the Liberals or Cons that usually got in. At least she went out to meet people, the others in the other parties didn't. And she's done a damn fine job since, even though she's only one of three in the legislature.
 
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Ron in Regina

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The only people to come to my doorstep politically ever have been Conservatives. I know that might sound weird but it’s just the way it is. Maybe it has to do with geography?

Many years ago I came home from work and I had a federal Liberal Party sign on my lawn, and when I called to ask about it I was told they had permission to put it there & was threatened that if I removed it I would be charged criminally….It was a Ralph Goodale sign & really my only interaction beyond being a Canadian with the Liberal Party of Canada.

I know that technically Green Party Candidates exist (like baby pigeons), but I can’t say that I’ve ever seen either of the above before in person.
 

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Indigenous groups condemn violent incident at Coastal GasLink work site

A Wet’suwet’en hereditary leader said her community was “disheartened” by Thursday’s early morning attack on a Coastal GasLink work site that saw nine contractors and security guards threatened, and millions of dollars in damage to heavy machinery and buildings left behind.

“We certainly don’t, as Wet’suwet’en people, condone this type of action,” said Chief Wihaliy’te, whose English name is Theresa Tait-Day, in a statement distributed by the First Nations LNG Alliance, which describes itself as a collective of First Nations participating in LNG development.

RCMP have characterized the assault as a calculated and co-ordinated attack by 20-to 40-people. Coastal GasLink released images captured by security cameras showing individuals wearing masks and dressed in camouflage, some armed with axes, who confronted the overnight crew as they fled.

The RCMP said the assailants commandeered heavy equipment at the site to ransack the site, overturning other machines and smashing buildings before leaving.

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© Coastal GasLink A surveillance camera captures an attacker lighting off a flare during the attack on the Coastal GasLink camp near Houston, B.C, on Feb. 17. This image, taken as the attack started, was provided by the company.
The attackers disabled the cameras a short time later.

RCMP Chief Supt. Warren Brown told Postmedia News that responding officers were confronted by six-to-eight assailants who threw torches, smoke bombs and other objects at them as they tried to clear trees felled across the road as barricades before retreating into the woods.

Police are working to identify suspects, but Wihaliy’te, in an interview with Global News, said they believe a “rogue group of people who want to fulfil their own agendas” is responsible.

“Our feeling is that these are people from outside the province,” Wihaliy’te said. “We would like them to go home and leave the decision-making of these projects up to the Wet’suwet’en people. We don’t need their help.”

The site of Thursday’s incident, a remote work site some 69 kilometres down forest service roads southwest of the small town of Houston, is also a location of blockades against the project and police actions to clear them.

Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs opposing the pipeline sparked rallies and rail blockades across Canada in 2020. Coastal GasLink obtained an injunction against blockades, and Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs issued the company an eviction notice.

Hereditary Chief Na’moks, with those who opposed the development, told The Canadian Press by text message Friday that he wouldn’t comment on the incident until they too receive more information.

“All we know is no arrests or charges, and harassment of our camps continue,” he said.

Coastal GasLink’s $6.7-billion, 670 kilometre natural gas pipeline, intended to link with LNG Canada’s $18 billion liquefied natural gas plant being built on tidewater at Kitimat, does have the support along its route of 20 elected First Nation governments, which have impact-benefit agreements with the company.

Maureen Luggi, elected chief of the Wet’suwet’en First Nation near Burns Lake, one of five communities in the larger Wet’suwet’en territory, said the public often misunderstands who opposes the project.

“My biggest concern is that this incident increases the division within our respective Wet’suwet’en communities, as well as our relationships with those who are non-Indigenous,” Luggi wrote in a response to email questions.

On Saturday, Luggi’s council sent out a statement condemning the attack “in the strongest possible terms,” and called on “those who are inviting violent non-Wet’suwet’en people into our territories to withdraw the invitations.”

Luggi offered an additional statement through the Carrier Sekani Tribal Council, which declared that the incident “goes against Carrier Sekani values of respect for the land and each other.”

“This attack shocked our communities,” Luggi said in the Carrier Sekani statement. “These violent attacks are against our values. They not only left a great deal of property damage, but also has created a local environmental crisis due to the industrial fluids that were spilled due to the destruction.”

 
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