Ramadan

[CDNBear]

I have worked with people of the Muslim Faith for years - and where I work - i make very possible attempt, changing schedules etc so as to ensure they can adhere to the requirements of Ramadan - and Eid as well - The othe Security Officers all cooperate and we bounce around to do this. We all work together

But at times it is not always possible to do.

But we make every attempt possible - and yes for those that may ask - We exceed, and I ensure we do, the reuirements as laid out by the SCOC regarding Reasnable Accomodation for persons of any religious faith.

Good for you Goob's. I'm not that enlightened.

This is not any dividing; all have their breakfast and it is OK, but we acquaint them about the correct statement in the Quran.

And as you have already mentioned elsewhere, if they don't heed your correction, off with their head, and you defend that.

While to you it is so evident that you are sincere and want Muslims to love each other :roll:

No, I want Islam to join us in the 21st century. If that means you stop warring between the sects, so be it.

 

[eanassir]

And as you have already mentioned elsewhere, if they don't heed your correction, off with their head, and you defend that.

I did never say that.

No, I want Islam to join us in the 21st century. If that means you stop warring between the sects, so be it.

And you are the representative of the 21st century and we are not, so we must follow your example :sad2:

:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

I did never say that.

In another thread, you made note of it, then defended it. Your accusation that one sect is not observing the Quran here, is comparable, non?

And you are the representative of the 21st century and we are not, so we must follow your example :sad2:

:lol:

Not me specifically, western culture in general. Rule of law, freedom from religion and so on.

I can see how you would have an aversion to that though.

 

[gerryh]

It's freedom OF religion, not from.

 

[YukonJack]

What is the one word for pigging out before sunrise and after sunset?

 

[gerryh]

What is the one word for pigging out before sunrise and after sunset?

YJ, I KNOW that you have been upset and/or offended when people have bashed the crap out of Christianity/Catholicism. Are you now putting that same hat on to do the same to Islam?

 

[YukonJack]

gerryh, I simply asked a question!

And if I recall correctly, you have been far more upset and offended than me when someone criticized Christianity/Catholicism.

 

[gerryh]

gerryh, I simply asked a question!

And if I recall correctly, you have been far more upset and offended than me when someone criticized Christianity/Catholicism.

never said I wasn't, but that is just one reason you won't hear me bashing another religion.

 

[eanassir]

I took lent very seriously this year which, in the Catholic faith, is much the same as Ramadan. I found it to be a great exercise in personal reflection. I hope you find the same in your celebration of Ramadan.

Some local Christians here fast from eating meat and animal products and they eat exclusively fruit and vegetables.

Another way of fasting by Christians is that some of them fast from morning till noon time and they eat the dinner at noon time :smile:

Some Muslims adopted this (which is not prescribed in the Quran) -- this is what they call the Fasting of Zacharia -- a habit which is not true Islamic but invented by people and it may be imitating Christians in this respect.

Another way of fasting is to fast from speaking and talking; but this is not prescribed in the Quran, but it is mentioned in the Quran that Mary mother of Christ when she gave birth to Jesus, he said to her: don't fear and don't be sad, but if you see any one of the people, then say by signs that I made a vow to God Most Gracious, so today I shall not speak anything to people.

As in the Quran 19: 23-26
فَأَجَاءهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلَى جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَا لَيْتَنِي مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا
فَنَادَاهَا مِن تَحْتِهَا أَلَّا تَحْزَنِي قَدْ جَعَلَ رَبُّكِ تَحْتَكِ سَرِيًّا
وَهُزِّي إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ تُسَاقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًا جَنِيًّا
فَكُلِي وَاشْرَبِي وَقَرِّي عَيْنًا فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ الْبَشَرِ أَحَدًا فَقُولِي إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَنِ صَوْمًا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ الْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّا

The explanation:
(And the pains of the childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palmtree; she said: "Would that I had died before this; would that I had been something forgotten."​

And [when she delivered him, Jesus] called to her from below her: "Grieve not; your Lord has made beneath you[r feet] a flowing stream."​

"Shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward you, and it will let fall on you culled fresh dates."​

"Eat therefore, and drink, and be comforted; and if you should see any mortal, say: "I have vowed to the Most Gracious a fast, and today I will not speak to any human being.")​

www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[selin]

Some local Christians here fast from eating meat and animal products and they eat exclusively fruit and vegetables.

Another way of fasting by Christians is that some of them fast from morning till noon time and they eat the dinner at noon time :smile:

Some Muslims adopted this (which is not prescribed in the Quran) -- this is what they call the Fasting of Zacharia -- a habit which is not true Islamic but invented by people like Sheriah and it may be imitating Christians.

i agree with you on that but don't angry with me my dear for Sheriah...

 

[eanassir]

i agree with you on that but don't angry with me my dear for Sheriah...

I did not say the Sheriah is invented by people: the word Sheriah means the Islamic law prescribed by God.

Only some traidtions ascribed to the Prophet, and such traditions are false and fabricated, but of course not all the prophetic traditions are false; the false traditions are only those that contradict the Quran.

It means: we compare the prophetic tradition to the Quran: if it agrees with the Quran, then it is true and authentic; but if it contradicts the Quran then it is false and fabricated.

 

[selin]

I did not say the Sheriah is invented by people: the word Sheriah means the Islamic law prescribed by God.

Only some traidtions ascribed to the Prophet, and such traditions are false and fabricated, but of course not all the prophetic traditions are false; the false traditions are only those that contradict the Quran.

It means: we compare the prophetic tradition to the Quran: if it agrees with the Quran, then it is true and authentic; but if it contradicts the Quran then it is false and fabricated.

somehow, i see you more flexible,
i assume that you are stern about Sheriah but would you please read my recent post in thread of side -track- post...


i really wonder whether you are thinking about That Sheriah same with me?

 

[eanassir]

This is in the Quran about fasting the month of Ramadan; it is in the aya

2: 184​

أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ فَمَن كَانَ مِنكُم مَّرِيضًا أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ أَيَّامٍ أُخَرَ وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ يُطِيقُونَهُ فِدْيَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِينٍ فَمَن تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُ وَأَن تَصُومُواْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Certain days that are counted;

but if anyone is ill or on a journey, then [let him fast an equal] number of other days;

and as for those able [to fast, they should give] a ransom: the feeding of one of the needy – but whoso, of his own accord, offers more it is better for him.

Surely, it is better for you that you fast, if you did but know.)


The interpretation is according to the late interpreter of the Quran and Bible.

>> (Certain days that are counted) [The lunar month is 29 or 30 days and never more: the Arab used to count the gold coins when they are less than 30, but if more than 30 they weigh it; because there was some mild variation between the gold coins at that time; so if the object is worthy of more than 30 gold coins, they weigh the coins, and if less than 30 they counted it]. This is according to the late interpreter.

184
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www.quran-ayat.com

 

[selin]

This is in the Quran about fasting the month of Ramadan; it is in the aya

2: 184​

أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ فَمَن كَانَ مِنكُم مَّرِيضًا أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ أَيَّامٍ أُخَرَ وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ يُطِيقُونَهُ فِدْيَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِينٍ فَمَن تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُ وَأَن تَصُومُواْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Certain days that are counted;

but if anyone is ill or on a journey, then [let him fast an equal] number of other days;

and as for those able [to fast, they should give] a ransom: the feeding of one of the needy – but whoso, of his own accord, offers more it is better for him.

Surely, it is better for you that you fast, if you did but know.)


The interpretation is according to the late interpreter of the Quran and Bible.

>> (Certain days that are counted) [The lunar month is 29 or 30 days and never more: the Arab used to count the gold coins when they are less than 30, but if more than 30 they weigh it; because there was some mild variation between the gold coins at that time; so if the object is worthy of more than 30 gold coins, they weigh the coins, and if less than 30 they counted it]. This is according to the late interpreter.

184
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www.quran-ayat.com

i know that already, thanks for your being concerned yet

 

[CDNBear]

It's freedom OF religion, not from.

You're right, my bad.

And the context is still intact. Go figure.

 

[gerryh]

You're right, my bad.

And the context is still intact. Go figure.

No, the context is not intact, but you go ahead and keep dreamin.

 

[CDNBear]

No, the context is not intact, but you go ahead and keep dreamin.

Yes, the context in which I used it, is still very much intact. This is an off shoot, but still very much the same thing, if I chose no religion, I have the right to be free from it. Go figure. Shall we examine that case law that supports that?

But you can keep on trollin though. What's wrong Gh, to many people ignoring your posts these days? Need a soft target?

 

[Liberalman]

Is this the one where they march around a rock?

 

[CDNBear]

Is this the one where they march around a rock?

No, you're thinking of Remembrance day in Newfie land.

 

[YukonJack]

What is a FAST?

Before sunrise and after sunset you eat really fast.