Quotes and Wisdoms

[Ocean Breeze]

Actually, if you look at the casualty count of troops on the US side versus those troops they were fighting with, the US has always maintained fewer casualties (including Vietnam). So in this sense, yes the US has never lost a war.

gosh, seems that it is all about the "win" and nothing about humanity or the death /destruction war causes. How can the US "win" something that was illegal/imoral and unethical from the onset. The USR lost before it fired up it's killing apparatus.

pulling at straws.......is all such a remark is.....and simply part of the grossly exaggerated USR vanity. and ego. (both of which have no substance)

 

[jimmoyer]

You're right Ocean Breeze in characterizing the remark as callous.

Nor is the remark relevant to the lessons of history when many a losing side has had less casualties than the winning side.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

The misapprehension springs from the fact that the learned jurists, deceiving themselves as well as others, depict in their books an ideal of government -- not as it really is, an assembly of men who oppress their fellow-citizens, but in accordance with the scientific postulate, as a body of men who act as the representatives of the rest of the nation.

They have gone on repeating this to others so long that they have ended by believing it themselves, and they really seem to think that justice is one of the duties of governments. History, however, shows us that governments, as seen from the reign of Caesar to those of the two Napoleons and Prince Bismarck, are in their very essence a violation of justice; a man or a body of men having at command an army of trained soldiers, deluded creatures who are ready for any violence, and through whose agency they govern the State, will have no keen sense of the obligation of justice.

Therefore governments will never consent to diminish the number of those well-trained and submissive servants, who constitute their power and influence.": Leo Tolstoy - Source: Writings on Civil Disobedience and Non-Violence (Signet Books, 1968), pp. 238-239.

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"Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.": Frederick Douglass

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the last one is impactful. Might explain why so many people are simply followers .........and therefore "slaves". to a gov't , or a religion or ???????

hmmm.Interesting.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.": Henry David Thoreau - (1817-1862)

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"I am the inferior of any man whose rights I trample underfoot.": Horace Greeley - (1811-1872), Editor of the New York Tribune

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"But this is slavery, not to speak one’s thought.": Euripides - (480-406 B.C.) - Source: The Phoenician Women, 411-409 B.C.

 

[Kellen]

I'm on the Zoloft to keep me from killing y'all - Mike Tyson

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

here are some Bush quotes:

"It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like.

"I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah."

"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates."

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

...I love the guy but sometimes he just says the darndest things lol

 

[Ocean Breeze]

he just says the darndest things lol

yes.....well. :roll: stupid is as stupid does. ( speaks)


(an aside: for those that "love" the guy.......how about taking him home (adopting ) as a pet??? Let someone smart and capable run what used to be a fine country.)

 

[Ocean Breeze]

"Many are they who are touched at the heart by these things. those they sent forth they knew; now in place of the young men urns and ashes are carried home to the houses of the fighters.... The citizens speak: their voice is dull with hatred. The curse of the people must be paid for.": Agamemnon (lines 432-436, 456-7, Grene and Lattimore translation)

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"In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us.": Thich Nhat Hanh - Vietnamese monk, activist and writer.

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"The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government.": Thomas Jefferson

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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." : George Washington

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Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity, only as we love all other lands. The interests, rights, and liberties of American citizens are no more dear to us than are those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism, to revenge any national insult or injury: William Lloyd Garrison, Declaration of Sentiments, Boston Peace Conference, 1838

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[Ocean Breeze]

How many does it take to metamorphose wickedness into righteousness? One man must not kill. If he does, it is murder.... But a state or nation may kill as many as they please, and it is not murder. It is just, necessary, commendable, and right. Only get people enough to agree to it, and the butchery of myriads of human beings is perfectly innocent. But how many does it take?: Adin Ballou, The Non-Resistant, 5 February 1845

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There have been periods of history in which episodes of terrible violence occurred but for which the word violence was never used.... Violence is shrouded in justifying myths that lend it moral legitimacy, and these myths for the most part kept people from recognizing the violence for what it was. The people who burned witches at the stake never for one moment thought of their act as violence; rather they thought of it as an act of divinely mandated righteousness. The same can be said of most of the violence we humans have ever committed: ~Gil Bailie

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What the people want is very simple - they want an America as good as its promise: Barbara Jordan

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes not oppressive; the rational world is my friend because I am friend of its happiness. When these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government ." - Thomas Paine

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[peapod]

bush quote:It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like.


hahhaahahahahahahahahahhahahaahaha was he also reading the child a fairy tale from an upside down storybook. Yikes! the child must of been awe struck by his imagination... :lol: :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power. " President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." (George Washington)

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Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object: Abraham Lincoln

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Lot of INTELLIGENT thinking from FORMER US leaders. Wonder what happened to the caliber of US leadership.........so it deteriorated to the level it has. :?

 

[GL Schmitt]

Lot of INTELLIGENT thinking from FORMER US leaders. Wonder what happened to the caliber of US leadership.........so it deteriorated to the level it has. :?

It's called an ENTITLEMENT BRAIN DRAIN. :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Lot of INTELLIGENT thinking from FORMER US leaders. Wonder what happened to the caliber of US leadership.........so it deteriorated to the level it has. :?

It's called an ENTITLEMENT BRAIN DRAIN. :wink:

yes........that would fit . :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

"It is never right to do wrong or to requite wrong with wrong, or when we suffer evil to defend ourselves by doing evil in return." : Socrates 469 - 399 BC

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Crime Against Peace: A basic provision of the Charter is that to plan, prepare, initiate or wage a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances, or to conspire or participate in a common plan to do so is a crime: Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson

 

[Ocean Breeze]

There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind: James Madison. Federalist No. 63.

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"I'm often amazed at the way politicians, who spend hours poring over opinion poll results in a desperate attempt to discover what the public thinks, are certain they know precisely what God's views are on everything.": Simon Hoggart

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"Going to church no more makes you a Christian than sleeping in your garage makes you a car.": Garrison Keiler

 

[jjw1965]

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
-Benjamin Franklin

 

[Ocean Breeze]

To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man.
– Michael Servetus

 

[peapod]

Front - seldom tell truth. To know occupants of house, always look in back yard."
charlie chan

 

[Durgan]

I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain’d;
I stand and look at them long and long.

They do not sweat and whine about their condition;
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins;
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God;
Not one is dissatisfied—not one is demented with the mania of owning things;
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago;
Not one is respectable or industrious over the whole earth...

Song of Myself. Walt Whitman Leaves of Grass

Durgan

 

[peapod]

Excellent durgan, Walt Whitman :wink:

Way to find resistant rabbit is to turn rabbit lose, and watch.
charlie chan