Questions getting bigger
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I know ITN.
I know.
I have considered you to have given everyone a lot of leeway, a lot of chances to be fair.
Hang in there anyway.
Let's play where we are condemned.
It's an interesting yet tiring and possibly boring excercise, but nevertheless we are amongst the righteous, where the God of UNASSAILABLE LOGIC rules.
Wink wink.
I know.
I have considered you to have given everyone a lot of leeway, a lot of chances to be fair.
Hang in there anyway.
Let's play where we are condemned.
It's an interesting yet tiring and possibly boring excercise, but nevertheless we are amongst the righteous, where the God of UNASSAILABLE LOGIC rules.
Wink wink.
I think not said:
By Way of Refutation said:
The biggest problem I have with Eagar's theory is that he was not able to examine the forensic evidence of Ground Zero, because the site was locked down. So all he was able to do was theorize based upon models and other known collapses.
Why was the forensic evidence at the scene not preserved?
The company that disposed of the forensic evidence was AMEC (Asset Management and Engineering Consultancy) and a company called Controlled Demolition was the first to appear on the scene, and coordinated the cleanup effort. CDI happens to be the same company that disposed of the rubble from the Oklahoma City bombing.
http://www.global-conspiracies.com/16254.htm
http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html
Oh no Vanni, and I thought you had a more discerning level to you.
Is it your first gut emotional habitual response to embrace anything that supports your well worn skepticism?
It's equal to the mindset you post against.
Is it your first gut emotional habitual response to embrace anything that supports your well worn skepticism?
It's equal to the mindset you post against.
Re: RE: Questions getting bigger
Yes, well you're not exactly doing an exemplary job of changing my mind, Jim...
...and before you say it, yes, given strong enough evidence to the contrary, my mind could be changed...
Dismissing any contradictions as misinformation is too easy...wrestle with the beast awhile and then we can talk...
jimmoyer said:
Yes, well you're not exactly doing an exemplary job of changing my mind, Jim...
...and before you say it, yes, given strong enough evidence to the contrary, my mind could be changed...
Dismissing any contradictions as misinformation is too easy...wrestle with the beast awhile and then we can talk...
Re: RE: Questions getting bigger
I'll work on it Vanni, not tonight though, it's past my bedtime
Vanni Fucci said:
I'll work on it Vanni, not tonight though, it's past my bedtime
Prior to this year, President George W. Bush is a failed oilman. Three times, friends and investors have bailed him out to keep his business from going bankrupt. However, in 1988, the same year his father becomes President, some Saudis buy a portion of his small company, Harken, which has never performed work outside of Texas. Later in the year, Harken wins a contract in the Persian Gulf and starts doing well financially. These transactions seem so suspicious that the Wall Street Journal in 1991 states it “raises the question of . . . an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.” Two major investors in Bush's company during this time are Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz. [Salon, 11/19/01; Intelligence Newsletter, 3/2/00] Salem bin Laden is Osama's oldest brother; Khalid bin Mahfouz is a Saudi banker with a 20 percent stake in BCCI. The bank will be shut down a few years later and bin Mahfouz will have to pay a $225 million fine (while admitting no wrongdoing) (see October 2001)). [Forbes, 3/18/02]
RE: Questions getting big
It could of. On one hand it stinks.
Part of me believes the conspiracey and it would not surprise me, but there is no real hard hard evidence, to prove that. There could of been a conspiracey the government knew it was going to happen before hand but they would never admit that. And when non government individuals investigate what happened and find a few things that are questionable, the conspiracy theory comes out.
Another thing is the slow reaction of the US military. Don't the airforce and naval planes practice for something like this? How far was/is the nearest airforce base from New York? Isn't there a Naval base near Washington DC or New York with aircraft carriers? Don't they train for very quick deployment?
On the other hand I saw planes hit towers (no pic's from pentagon of plane hitting, which is suspicious in itself) and explode. Those towers were meant to withstand 727's not the 757's that hit it. But to me the towers came down too easy, especially since they were hit so high up. I would of thought just the top floors would of collapsed and the rest of Tower stayed standing, but then the pancake effect could of happened and seemed to happen.
So I really do not know. I am keeping an open mind and exploring all sides of this. Both sides have intersting and good points. Maybe its good that questions are being asked about this. I wonder if there is any info the US government has not released? Its no secret that Governments do hide things from the public.
It could of. On one hand it stinks.
Part of me believes the conspiracey and it would not surprise me, but there is no real hard hard evidence, to prove that. There could of been a conspiracey the government knew it was going to happen before hand but they would never admit that. And when non government individuals investigate what happened and find a few things that are questionable, the conspiracy theory comes out.
Another thing is the slow reaction of the US military. Don't the airforce and naval planes practice for something like this? How far was/is the nearest airforce base from New York? Isn't there a Naval base near Washington DC or New York with aircraft carriers? Don't they train for very quick deployment?
On the other hand I saw planes hit towers (no pic's from pentagon of plane hitting, which is suspicious in itself) and explode. Those towers were meant to withstand 727's not the 757's that hit it. But to me the towers came down too easy, especially since they were hit so high up. I would of thought just the top floors would of collapsed and the rest of Tower stayed standing, but then the pancake effect could of happened and seemed to happen.
So I really do not know. I am keeping an open mind and exploring all sides of this. Both sides have intersting and good points. Maybe its good that questions are being asked about this. I wonder if there is any info the US government has not released? Its no secret that Governments do hide things from the public.
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=1284
No.1.........as long as the public is "spared" from all the facts......"theories " will arise.
But question ever aspect of this , the collective "we" must do so.
and as you say, with an open mind to all possibilities.
******
Would bet real money on that one.. :wink:
No.1.........as long as the public is "spared" from all the facts......"theories " will arise.
But question ever aspect of this , the collective "we" must do so.
and as you say, with an open mind to all possibilities.
******
Would bet real money on that one.. :wink:
RE: Questions getting big
Good Link. :wink:
The sad part is we may never know all the facts and truths. Anything that would make "W" and his government look bad or incompetent will never come out.
The whole thing is a screw up. Especially "W" sitting in the classroom like a "stunned moron". You would think he would of left or been whisked away asap.
Just so many questions and I am not sure we will ever get all the answers whether there was a conspiracy or not.
Good Link. :wink:
The sad part is we may never know all the facts and truths. Anything that would make "W" and his government look bad or incompetent will never come out.
The whole thing is a screw up. Especially "W" sitting in the classroom like a "stunned moron". You would think he would of left or been whisked away asap.
Just so many questions and I am not sure we will ever get all the answers whether there was a conspiracy or not.
Vanni Fucci said:
The site was never locked down, it was locked down to curious pedestrians. All the steel was hauled to Staten Island. All of it, the steel was there for analysis for almost 2 years before it was sold as scrap metal. And why would Eager need to examine anything? He is basing everything on metal theory.
Vanni Fucci said:
It was all moved to Staten Island for analysis.
Vanni Fucci said:
Again, it was not disposed until 2 years later. It took almost 10 month sto remove all the debris. Saying someone disposed of 500,000 tons of evidence is quite a feat
Re: RE: Questions getting big
That's what I think too. ...........UNLESS of course "someone " springs a "leak" or two. Seems that the only reliable information in the US now.......is that which is "leaked" :wink:
He could have had the decency to politely , but quickly excuse himself......Sheesh. He was the Prez of the country and ugent business must be attended to. Very poor judgement/leadership........or he "knew"....
What a web of deceit has been woven about so many critical issues !! Compound that with the degree of "secrecy" in the bushafia gov't.......and the peons remain uninformed and conditioned to follow like little sheeple.
no1important said:
That's what I think too. ...........UNLESS of course "someone " springs a "leak" or two. Seems that the only reliable information in the US now.......is that which is "leaked" :wink:
He could have had the decency to politely , but quickly excuse himself......Sheesh. He was the Prez of the country and ugent business must be attended to. Very poor judgement/leadership........or he "knew"....
What a web of deceit has been woven about so many critical issues !! Compound that with the degree of "secrecy" in the bushafia gov't.......and the peons remain uninformed and conditioned to follow like little sheeple.
Re: RE: Questions getting big
This actually concerns me greatly...
For after he was told of the second plane hitting the towers, he would have known that it was no accident, and that the towers were deliberately attacked...
How did he know that there was not another plane about to fly into the school where he was sitting...
How did he not realize that in staying in the school, he was putting the children's lives in danger, should a plane be targetting the school?
Why didn't the secret service take over and whisk his lame ass to a secure location from which to conduct the business that needed to be done...that is their job, is it not?
Ocean Breeze said:
This actually concerns me greatly...
For after he was told of the second plane hitting the towers, he would have known that it was no accident, and that the towers were deliberately attacked...
How did he know that there was not another plane about to fly into the school where he was sitting...
How did he not realize that in staying in the school, he was putting the children's lives in danger, should a plane be targetting the school?
Why didn't the secret service take over and whisk his lame ass to a secure location from which to conduct the business that needed to be done...that is their job, is it not?
Re: RE: Questions getting big
those are the same questions many of us have "asked" ourselves .....( as we sure can't ask him;-) His "professional" conduct in those moments is subject to critique. It is not enough to try and explain it away by "his being shocked". It is his JOB to be prepared to deal with the unexpected and rise appropriately to the occassion. There is no excuse for incompetance in that kind of high profile/responsible leadership postion.
(anywhere else, if he had been employed and reacted this way in a crisis .....he would have been fired so fast , he would not know what hit him)
Vanni Fucci said:
those are the same questions many of us have "asked" ourselves .....( as we sure can't ask him;-) His "professional" conduct in those moments is subject to critique. It is not enough to try and explain it away by "his being shocked". It is his JOB to be prepared to deal with the unexpected and rise appropriately to the occassion. There is no excuse for incompetance in that kind of high profile/responsible leadership postion.
(anywhere else, if he had been employed and reacted this way in a crisis .....he would have been fired so fast , he would not know what hit him)
I think not said:
http://epw.senate.gov/107th/Clark_021102.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=1608
Both of these reports state that shipments of scrap from WTC started arriving in India and China by January 2002, and that by February 2002, the report cites 30,000 tons of steel in Chennai, and 50,000 tons in China.
Another 125,000 tons accounted for...
http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/full02/mar06/charter.htm
Interesting, no?