Quebec Sucks

[missile]

Ugh QuebecSucks if you're from Australia, eveyone would laugh at your english because the accents are bad.

Don't be an American by singling out everyone because of a few people, thats prejudice.

Quebec is where the culture is at. If you want to hear bad accents go to Newfoundland cuz no one really know what they speak; newfy.

Hmm Missile. Do you practice what you preach or are you as ignorant as you sound? This has to be a joke. Hi my name is Mr. Pot and kettle you're black.

Why quote"gnuman"when you single me out?I am the very voice of tolerance! I am not about to insult you as nature has already done so..

 

[davepicc]

Ugh QuebecSucks if you're from Australia, eveyone would laugh at your english because the accents are bad.

Don't be an American by singling out everyone because of a few people, thats prejudice.

Quebec is where the culture is at. If you want to hear bad accents go to Newfoundland cuz no one really know what they speak; newfy.

Hmm Missile. Do you practice what you preach or are you as ignorant as you sound? This has to be a joke. Hi my name is Mr. Pot and kettle you're black.

Why quote"gnuman"when you single me out?I am the very voice of tolerance! I am not about to insult you as nature has already done so..

Ha! My bad Missile. Typical newbie mistake.

Dave

 

[davepicc]

Ugh QuebecSucks if you're from Australia, eveyone would laugh at your english because the accents are bad.

Don't be an American by singling out everyone because of a few people, thats prejudice.

Quebec is where the culture is at. If you want to hear bad accents go to Newfoundland cuz no one really know what they speak; newfy.

Hmm Missile. Do you practice what you preach or are you as ignorant as you sound? This has to be a joke. Hi my name is Mr. Pot and kettle you're black.

Why quote"gnuman"when you single me out?I am the very voice of tolerance! I am not about to insult you as nature has already done so..

Ha! My bad Missile. Typical newbie mistake.

Dave

 

[davepicc]

Ugh QuebecSucks if you're from Australia, eveyone would laugh at your english because the accents are bad.

Don't be an American by singling out everyone because of a few people, thats prejudice.

Quebec is where the culture is at. If you want to hear bad accents go to Newfoundland cuz no one really know what they speak; newfy.

Hmm Missile. Do you practice what you preach or are you as ignorant as you sound? This has to be a joke. Hi my name is Mr. Pot and kettle you're black.

Why quote"gnuman"when you single me out?I am the very voice of tolerance! I am not about to insult you as nature has already done so..

Ha! My bad Missile. Typical newbie mistake.

Dave

 

[jackd]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

Some of the earlier posters seem to forget that 1 out of every 4 countries on this planet have 2, 3 and 4 official languages. The U.S. is one of the very few country without no official (legal) language.
Canada is officially a bilingual country an not amount of %^$@&$&?&%$!)&% will change this. And don't count on any one to change the bilingualism laws as no political party ever dare to bring up the subject for discussion. It is a fait accompli.
Now, were do we go from here?

 

[jackd]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

Some of the earlier posters seem to forget that 1 out of every 4 countries on this planet have 2, 3 and 4 official languages. The U.S. is one of the very few country without no official (legal) language.
Canada is officially a bilingual country an not amount of %^$@&$&?&%$!)&% will change this. And don't count on any one to change the bilingualism laws as no political party ever dare to bring up the subject for discussion. It is a fait accompli.
Now, were do we go from here?

 

[jackd]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

Some of the earlier posters seem to forget that 1 out of every 4 countries on this planet have 2, 3 and 4 official languages. The U.S. is one of the very few country without no official (legal) language.
Canada is officially a bilingual country an not amount of %^$@&$&?&%$!)&% will change this. And don't count on any one to change the bilingualism laws as no political party ever dare to bring up the subject for discussion. It is a fait accompli.
Now, were do we go from here?

 

[jamie]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Anee of Green Gables is one of the few best things to come out of Canada. And, like that guy said- it's from PEI- which beats the crap out of most, if not all the provinces. It so kicks Quebecs ass!

 

[jamie]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Anee of Green Gables is one of the few best things to come out of Canada. And, like that guy said- it's from PEI- which beats the crap out of most, if not all the provinces. It so kicks Quebecs ass!

 

[jamie]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Anee of Green Gables is one of the few best things to come out of Canada. And, like that guy said- it's from PEI- which beats the crap out of most, if not all the provinces. It so kicks Quebecs ass!

 

[s_lone]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

As a quebecer with an anglo-franco background, I have to say that while my mind is canadian, my heart truly is Quebecois. Sadly, my Canadian nationalist feeling is quite vague and would be practically inexistant if I hadn't been raised in a bilingual home. Why? Because Quebec culture is more concentrated geographically and can be felt more strongly than the Canadian one. Canada is huge with not so many people. It'll take more time for a truly vibrant national unity to appear. I'm quite split on the subject because I do believe in the future of Canada, but I think it really needs significant reforms. How about becoming the CPU. (Canadian Provinces Union). Let EVERY province "seperate" and really take business into their own hands but WITHOUT destroying what is already holding us together. It would be a bit like kids leaving their parent's home (Ottawa) but staying united by strong and true family ties. I would see this new Canadian Union as a political family in which each member is mature enough to take their own decisions. This wouldn't stop us from being strongly united economically and politically. I'm not saying the hell with Ottawa, but I certainly think Ottawa should not be a place where money is split apart. It should rather be a place where money is put together for common interests. Presently, the provinces are all like children fighting for their share. It's time for every province to grow up and trace their own future. Que chaque province vole de ses propres ailes!

Of course, many would say that we offer better resistance to the US cultural invasion if we stay united in a centralised federation but English Canada isn't giving a very good example as compared to Quebecers. We have our own star system, Quebec television and film industry is rich, diversified and yes, profitable. Of course, Quebecers consume lots of American culture too but at least our own culture is as strong. Could you say the same thing from English Canadian culture? I'm not saying there's no quality English Canadian TV and cinema (lots of outstanding stuff!) Candian culture reflects the intelligence of its people. But the support it gets from common English Canadians is mediocre! At least the musical situation seems better...

I think a VERY decentralised federation would allow a much stronger resistance in the way that micro cultures could gain more support. Perhaps some states in the US would start envying the power our provinces and cause changes down south. BC, for example, could stop wasting money teaching mandatory French in school and start focusing more on embracing Asian culture. How much money has been wasted in keeping this country united when all we would need is an inversion of power. Power should belong first to the provinces.

As for economy, I may be naive but to me it is a no-brainer that Canada is stupidly dependant of American economy. We've got less people to feed and more natural resources so logically, we should be doing a lot better than they are.

 

[Gabre34]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

We've got less people to feed and more natural resources so logically, we should be doing a lot better than they are.

He has a point.

 

[tibear]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

s_lone,

You have some interesting points, but what would you do with the regions of Canada that depend financially on the other parts?? The Maritime provinces took a huge hit after the collapse of the fisheries(and still hasn't fully recovered), the NWT and Nunnavut and remember when the federal government had to save Saskatchewan from bancruptcy??

One of the most important distinctions between the US and Canada is that Canadians believe we have a duty to help other Canadians during hard times. By having seperate independant provinces these provinces and territories may shrink and die or be swallowed up by the foreign countries.

 

[s_lone]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Tibear,

you ask a good question and I can`t say I have an answer...Like I already said, I am quite split on the subject... But social solidarity is very much a strong Quebec value and I have no doubt Quebec would be all in for a common deal. After all, what I am proposing WOULD be a UNION and Quebec (and any other province) would have to follow regulations and principles decided by all of Canada. I`m not proposing splitting the country apart in 10 (or 13?) independent countries. I`m proposing a MAJOR decentralisation of power... I guess we would be a bit more like the European Union but a bit more unified...(but I admit I don`t know what kind of deals they have over there...)

As for natural ressources, I always wonder how we Canadians would manage if we were suddenly isolated due to a major world conflict. If we could only depend on ourselves, am I wrong to think that we would do quite well?.. It is with this in mind that I think regional independance should be developped and cultivated as much as possible. I think the world economy is horribly twisted and this is why I want to see a more independant and self-relying Quebec with strong fraternal ties to the other provinces for mutual help. I`m not too sure about the next 20 years and I suspect we could have some pretty hard times ahead... Call me paranoid, but I think the seeds of WW3 have been planted... We probably won`t be in the middle of the action (we never know...) but WW3 will have effects everywhere...

best,

 

[KickingInQuebec]

RE: Quebec %^$@&$

Quebeckers arrogant? ummm I don't think so. BTW i'm originally from Ontario and while I could point out a lot of negative aspects in the Qebecois, arrogance is not one of them. As for them making fun of your attempt to speak french, I have as yet to see that. I have seen the reverse, where if someone who's language is clearly not french makes an attempt, the Quebecois is actually more "open" to offering service or whatever else. Smelly? Hmmm methinks you're thinking of the French, not the Quebecois. They are very "north american" in terms of their hygiene. As for Canada being better off without Quebec, well that coud be argued indeed. I plan to vote yes for Quebec separation and run back to Ontario.

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

On a few occasions, I found the Quebeckers to be a very *racist* group of people.

Maybe *racist* is a strong word, but consider:

On one occasion, way back in high-school, we had to take French classes up to grade 11 if we wanted to get into university. Well, my appreciation for French led me to take French 12 as well. Luckily, we had a native Quebecker teaching that class. Great! I thought, we can really learn something now! Unfortunately, for one asian fellow, it meant a lot of rude remarks and racist behaviour directed towards him. One day, out of nowhere, this teacher started to pick on him by starting to speak Chinese.. without knowing a word of it. All that came out of his mouth was the words "ching" and "chong" and we all know that the combination of the two words repeated over and over doesn't really mean anything in any language. I was utterly disgusted (as was the rest of the class) at his blatant disrespect for other peoples cultures and languages. I mean, this nonsense lasted a full 30 seconds without pause or interruption. WTF? Meanwhile, the singled-out asian fellow was totally embarassed and didn't really know how to react to it. Throughout the course, this happened a couple of times more and after that, I had completely no respect for my teacher and I had a very negative view towards Quebeckers.

I passed that off as an exception to the way Quebeckers view visible-minorities until I happened to be vacationing in Banff, Alberta. When I was there, there were a lot of foreign vacationers from Asia and Europe.. which is great for the economy. I decided to try out this French restaurant located on the main street in Banff for lunch. Not many people in there as it was kind of fancy. Well, when I ordered and waited for my meal, there was a couple of Japanese women who came in and were seated. Unfortunately, for them, that was the only service they got from the place. For some reason, they just sat there and quietly waited for somebody to take their order... which never happened. After a while, they just left. I'm not sure if the people working the place were Quebeckers or not but they spoke pretty fluent French. In response to that blatant disrespect, I refused to tip the waiters and I also minused the 15% gratuity they automatically added ontop. They threatened to call the cops, and I said "Go ahead" and then they let me go.

Another exception? I hope so, but my gut feeling says that Quebeckers don't have the same respect as the rest of Canada does towards them. Nowadays, I hear about the languages laws in Quebec and the fines associated with it for non-compliance and then there are those that think Quebec is better off without the rest of Canada, etc, etc, etc. I think to myself how much more does the rest of Canada have to bend over to please these group of people?

When I look at all the incidents that have happened in the past years (including the ones I described above), I feel that I've wasted my time taking French when I could've taken something better like Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, or Italian. At least, if I didn't understand what they said, I wouldn't really care... and ignorance is bliss.

For those Quebeckers that are not like this, I'm sorry to have posted this, but the fact is, after travelling all over Europe, Asia, and North America, I haven't witnessed anything like the way Quebeckers treat other people.

 

[DasFX]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

On a few occasions, I found the Quebeckers to be a very *racist* group of people.

Maybe *racist* is a strong word, but consider:

On one occasion, way back in high-school, we had to take French classes up to grade 11 if we wanted to get into university. Well, my appreciation for French led me to take French 12 as well. Luckily, we had a native Quebecker teaching that class. Great! I thought, we can really learn something now! Unfortunately, for one asian fellow, it meant a lot of rude remarks and racist behaviour directed towards him. One day, out of nowhere, this teacher started to pick on him by starting to speak Chinese.. without knowing a word of it. All that came out of his mouth was the words "ching" and "chong" and we all know that the combination of the two words repeated over and over doesn't really mean anything in any language. I was utterly disgusted (as was the rest of the class) at his blatant disrespect for other peoples cultures and languages. I mean, this nonsense lasted a full 30 seconds without pause or interruption. WTF? Meanwhile, the singled-out asian fellow was totally embarassed and didn't really know how to react to it. Throughout the course, this happened a couple of times more and after that, I had completely no respect for my teacher and I had a very negative view towards Quebeckers.

I passed that off as an exception to the way Quebeckers view visible-minorities until I happened to be vacationing in Banff, Alberta. When I was there, there were a lot of foreign vacationers from Asia and Europe.. which is great for the economy. I decided to try out this French restaurant located on the main street in Banff for lunch. Not many people in there as it was kind of fancy. Well, when I ordered and waited for my meal, there was a couple of Japanese women who came in and were seated. Unfortunately, for them, that was the only service they got from the place. For some reason, they just sat there and quietly waited for somebody to take their order... which never happened. After a while, they just left. I'm not sure if the people working the place were Quebeckers or not but they spoke pretty fluent French. In response to that blatant disrespect, I refused to tip the waiters and I also minused the 15% gratuity they automatically added ontop. They threatened to call the cops, and I said "Go ahead" and then they let me go.

Another exception? I hope so, but my gut feeling says that Quebeckers don't have the same respect as the rest of Canada does towards them. Nowadays, I hear about the languages laws in Quebec and the fines associated with it for non-compliance and then there are those that think Quebec is better off without the rest of Canada, etc, etc, etc. I think to myself how much more does the rest of Canada have to bend over to please these group of people?

When I look at all the incidents that have happened in the past years (including the ones I described above), I feel that I've wasted my time taking French when I could've taken something better like Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, or Italian. At least, if I didn't understand what they said, I wouldn't really care... and ignorance is bliss.

For those Quebeckers that are not like this, I'm sorry to have posted this, but the fact is, after travelling all over Europe, Asia, and North America, I haven't witnessed anything like the way Quebeckers treat other people.

Two incidents is your basis of 7 million people. Wow! What is your nationality, I bet I could come up with two incidents that would cast a negative light on them, but that doesn't mean it would apply to you.

Your first incident is deplorable, but all the rest of you Anglophone students in class condoned this behaviour through your silence. Why didn't some one say something, especially if it was repeated? So obviously it didn't bother you that much. Your second example doesn't take into account any other mitigating circumstances. Was the restaurant fully staffed? Were there other non-Japanese people there who were also not getting served?

Then there is the whole issue of not knowing who or what these people's (the staff) background was. Do you know how many countries is French Speaking? Even if they were Canadian, how do you know there were from Quebec? Could they not have been from Manitoba or perhaps New Brunswick?

You call Queberers racist, but then you make racist comments yourself. You took two examples (not very good ones) and cast judgment on a whole population. If that isn't prejudice, discrimination (that basis of racism), I don't know what is.

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

oops. looks like I struck a nerve

Your first incident is deplorable, but all the rest of you Anglophone students in class condoned this behaviour through your silence. Why didn't some one say something, especially if it was repeated? So obviously it didn't bother you that much. Your second example doesn't take into account any other mitigating circumstances. Was the restaurant fully staffed? Were there other non-Japanese people there who were also not getting served?

I bothered me a great deal. that is why I came up with the conclusions that I did. I don't know why I didn't do anything about it. I guess I was too stupid at the time... arguably I still am but that's beside the point :wink: . Actually, why don't you ask those people and their classmates back in the days when teachers used to whip students why they didn't do anything? Or how about kids who get bullied at school why they didn't do anything? Or how about victims of physical abuse and why they didn't do anything? How about the Japanese Canadians that were put into camps during WWII and their businesses and properties confiscated, why didn't they do anything? How about the Chinese and the $500 head tax they had to pay to get into the country, why didn't they do anything? I could go on and on. I know, you're going to say something to the contrary like yeah, they *did* do something eventually after many years, but in my case, nobody did anything, so let's leave it at that.

Yes the restaurant was fully staffed. Like I said, there weren't that many customers in the restaurant.

They were the only Japanese in there at the time. Everybody was getting served except them... how do I know? I looked around.

Then there is the whole issue of not knowing who or what these people's (the staff) background was. Do you know how many countries is French Speaking? Even if they were Canadian, how do you know there were from Quebec? Could they not have been from Manitoba or perhaps New Brunswick?

You call Queberers racist, but then you make racist comments yourself. You took two examples (not very good ones) and cast judgment on a whole population. If that isn't prejudice, discrimination (that basis of racism), I don't know what is.

You are right... I take my comments back. I shouldn't have assumed that the restaurant was opened by Quebeckers since I wasn't really sure.... only that they spoke French. I shouldn't have made a huge generalization about Quebeckers. Sorry, my bad.

Like I said, racist is probably too strong a word. But if you say the first incident is not a very good example of racist behaviour... then I can understand why people do it without realizing it offends the other person... because it's not really racist right?

Anyway, take my comments lightly. I have no intention of being racist, prejudice or whatever. I'm making these comments simply because it is what I see and how I interpret them. Just put yourself in the shoes of the asian fellow or one of the Japanese women. Now, how does it make you feel to be subjected to this type of behaviour? It's not hard to make generalizations.

 

[Cathou]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

i would say that you can see people from quebec that are racist or restaurant in quebec that have bad services, but well i can say the same thing for every other provinces and country.

in my personal experience i would say that people in quebec are fairly tolerant, but probably not really more that other canadians.

but the image you have of something can be deformed by distance. for what i usually heard, everybody in the west are redneck that wear cow-boy hats. is it true ? i guess not, but until i go there for myself i will not know.

 

[Numure]

Re: Quebec %^$@&$

On a few occasions, I found the Quebeckers to be a very *racist* group of people.

Maybe *racist* is a strong word, but consider:

On one occasion, way back in high-school, we had to take French classes up to grade 11 if we wanted to get into university. Well, my appreciation for French led me to take French 12 as well. Luckily, we had a native Quebecker teaching that class. Great! I thought, we can really learn something now! Unfortunately, for one asian fellow, it meant a lot of rude remarks and racist behaviour directed towards him. One day, out of nowhere, this teacher started to pick on him by starting to speak Chinese.. without knowing a word of it. All that came out of his mouth was the words "ching" and "chong" and we all know that the combination of the two words repeated over and over doesn't really mean anything in any language. I was utterly disgusted (as was the rest of the class) at his blatant disrespect for other peoples cultures and languages. I mean, this nonsense lasted a full 30 seconds without pause or interruption. WTF? Meanwhile, the singled-out asian fellow was totally embarassed and didn't really know how to react to it. Throughout the course, this happened a couple of times more and after that, I had completely no respect for my teacher and I had a very negative view towards Quebeckers.

I passed that off as an exception to the way Quebeckers view visible-minorities until I happened to be vacationing in Banff, Alberta. When I was there, there were a lot of foreign vacationers from Asia and Europe.. which is great for the economy. I decided to try out this French restaurant located on the main street in Banff for lunch. Not many people in there as it was kind of fancy. Well, when I ordered and waited for my meal, there was a couple of Japanese women who came in and were seated. Unfortunately, for them, that was the only service they got from the place. For some reason, they just sat there and quietly waited for somebody to take their order... which never happened. After a while, they just left. I'm not sure if the people working the place were Quebeckers or not but they spoke pretty fluent French. In response to that blatant disrespect, I refused to tip the waiters and I also minused the 15% gratuity they automatically added ontop. They threatened to call the cops, and I said "Go ahead" and then they let me go.

Another exception? I hope so, but my gut feeling says that Quebeckers don't have the same respect as the rest of Canada does towards them. Nowadays, I hear about the languages laws in Quebec and the fines associated with it for non-compliance and then there are those that think Quebec is better off without the rest of Canada, etc, etc, etc. I think to myself how much more does the rest of Canada have to bend over to please these group of people?

When I look at all the incidents that have happened in the past years (including the ones I described above), I feel that I've wasted my time taking French when I could've taken something better like Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, or Italian. At least, if I didn't understand what they said, I wouldn't really care... and ignorance is bliss.

For those Quebeckers that are not like this, I'm sorry to have posted this, but the fact is, after travelling all over Europe, Asia, and North America, I haven't witnessed anything like the way Quebeckers treat other people.

Hey then, what about you anglos? When I was in alberta, fucking frog wasnt uncommon. All Canadians are racist then! Racists bastards!