Quebec as a Nation

[Sassylassie]

ottytrain4: :bootyshake: :bootyshake: :bootyshake: Perhaps because some of us in Canada will be effected by the never ending bawling and braying from Quebec you see in the Maritimes some of the Provinces would be cut off from the rest of Canada should the limp wristed crowd allow Quebec to become a seperate Country. 20 years of listening to Quebec titch and moan is more than enough for me to stomach. Then again I'm Canadian.

 

[s_lone]

What an emotionally charged thread this has been. From reading all the posts here, it appears it boils down to emotions and a dose of ego. I would assert the Seven Year War isn't quite over.

Emotions and ego are certainly part of the equation but I don't think you can reduce it to that. Political independance is a serious issue and it's what's behind this whole debate. This recognition of the Quebec nation may only be symbolic (and the result of crazy politics) but it is also one more step forward for the political independance of the Québecois...

 

[Numure]

Quebec wants to be a nation well my question is this: How do the Natives feel about having their land and their people hyjacked by the French after all this is their land isn't it? We won the war did we not, and English Canada and the Natives fought together so why are we handing Quebec over to the French. What makes up the majority in Quebec? French, or English combined with Natives, Metis, and immigrants and who decides which group will compile said Nation?

The only natives that fought with the english we're the Iroquois (Mohawks). The rest we're with the french. And just to inform you, the French compose 80% of Québec population, the rest is english/native/immigrants.

 

[I think not]

Emotions and ego are certainly part of the equation but I don't think you can reduce it to that. Political independance is a serious issue and it's what's behind this whole debate. This recognition of the Quebec nation may only be symbolic (and the result of crazy politics) but it is also one more step forward for the political independance of the Québecois...

Did not intend to make it sound as if it were trivial by any means, but rather the emotions and a little bit of ego behind the posting in and of itself. This situation would also impact the US (of course to a much lesser extent) than Canada.

I have visited all parts of Canada and I could honestly say that New Brunswick in addition to Quebec have their own distinct culture, should they also separate? Doesn't a united Canada sound better than a fractured North? Surely even those who advocate separation can see that.

 

[Numure]

So, in other words, the perfect solution would be to let Quebec be independent, but in an association with Canada so that Quebec can still receive some monies from Ottawa. Is that about the gist of what you're saying here?

No. The perfect solution would be to dissolve most of Ottawa's powers and return the bulk of it (Including Taxation) to the provinces. But alas, Anglo's like Ottawa as it is. So the only option is simply leaving.

 

[DurkaDurka]

I would be quite happy if I never heard the word "Quebec" again. I am sick of this country pandering to the whining/greedy/obnoxious/complaining "Symbolic Nation". I am sick of having the News dominated by Quebecs demands, the newspapers devoting pages of print to their extortions, enough already. I think Canada should have a referendum on whether we want Quebec to be a province/nation within Canada, I would gladly vote "NO" to that .

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No. The perfect solution would be to dissolve most of Ottawa's powers and return the bulk of it (Including Taxation) to the provinces. But alas, Anglo's like Ottawa as it is. So the only option is simply leaving.

Return? What do you mean, return? That wouldn't be returning something to the provinces that they used to have, they never had it. And in what conceivable sense would that be a perfect solution anyway? A national government with no power to govern or tax can't function. You're prescribing the dissolution of the whole country.

Or maybe that's what you want. It's not enough that a certain noisy minority of Québécois succeed, the rest of Canada must fail at the same time; is that what you mean? That's a fine ethically bankrupt position. And "Anglo's [sic] like Ottawa as it is?" Jeez, what planet are you from? You don't appear to be paying much attention to what's going on around you. And who the Hell are these Anglos you lump together in some monolithic group of non-Québécois people? To me you represent (and not just from that post) the worst of the separatists: ignorant parochialism and thinly disguised bigotry.

 

[Curiosity]

I addressed Quebec placing themselves as an "individual nation" to a group in Washington....earlier last week

It was a meeting of Canadian and U.S. representatives on the topic of border identification - especially with the huge trade sharing going on between the two countries.

The Quebec representative had me stunned as he described all the trade Quebec does with the U.S. and spoke as if there was no other country surrounding that region of Canada.

I hope Quebec isn't grooming the trades people in the U.S. to believe they are the only manufacturing center in Canada.

It was eye opening - watching his arrogance and "nationalist" smooth talk... demeaning to the nation of Canada.
I asked people here on another thread if this goes on all the time, but I didn't generate any interest in the topic. It really disturbed me to witness his hypocrisy.

 

[General James Wolfe]

Lets send all the Francophone Quebec Nationalist to French Guiana and Suriname. The combined land of French Guiana and Suriname is enough land to create a French homeland in the Americas.

French Guina (35.253 Sq miles)
Suriname (63.251 Sq miles)
French Homeland (98. 504 Sq miles)


I think that the original territory of Quebec was quite similiar to this land area.


French Quebecers if you move to Guiana (French Guiana and Surriname) you would be a part of France or you would have an independent homeland.


All of North America (Canada and America) belong to the Anglophones whether you like it or not Franchophones. The British defeated the French for North America in the 7 years War or the French and Indian War what ever you want to call it fair and square. Quebec was taken from the French by the Royal Army commanded by General Wolfe and General Amhearst. General Wolfe captured Quebec City and General Amhearst captured Montreal.


Quebec belongs to Canada today
Quebec belongs to Canada tomorrow
Quebec belongs to Canada forever



Anglophone Canadains dont let Quebec gain its idependence, because it belongs to you. Stop the Francophone Nationalist at all cost.


LONG LIVE A STRONG UNITED CANADA
DEATH TO QUEBEC NATIONALISM


Francophones, Canada is an Anglophone Nation (that includes Quebec) if you dont like it you can leave to


France
Saint Domingue (Hati and Domincian Republic)
Guiana (French Guiana and Suriname)

 

[CBC News]

Tory cabinet minister quits post over Québécois motion

Tory MP Michael Chong quit his cabinet post Monday over the government motion that recognizes the Québécois as a nation within a united Canada.

More...

 

[CBC News]

Dryden joins Kennedy in opposing Québécois motion

Liberal MP Ken Dryden has joined fellow leadership contender Gerard Kennedy in breaking ranks with other candidates to oppose the motion stating that the Québécois form a nation.

More...

 

[#juan]

A staff member from the Prime Minister's Office told CBC that, "at the end of the day, some issues are more important than one person."

Might even be more important than this government...

 

[Gonzo]

For the Tories, getting the Quebec vote is more important then the country.

 

[Gonzo]

I hope Dryden wins.

 

[Sassylassie]

I wish he was being considered as a front runner, I really like this man he has what the Liberals need to make a come back. I don't like Rae or Iggy and I wouldn't consider voting Liberal under their helm but if Dryden won I'd vote for the Liberals in a NY minute.:wave:

 

[Gonzo]

If Dryden wins I'll vote Liberal. If not, I'll toss my vote to the Green Party again. At least they get some funding for every vote they get.

 

[Sassylassie]

Gonzo that is how I feel, I can't support the Liberals if Ray or Iggy win and I really don't like the direction Harper is taking this country. I even added the Green Party to my favorites list so I could read more on the party. What I don't understand is why the Liberals are ignoring those who only voted for the Cons out of frustration at the antics of the Liberal Government. If the Liberals did a poll and asked the Undecided voter who they like as a Liberal Leader I would say most want Dryden, but do they listen to the public NO.

 

[Sassylassie]

Yep it didn't take Harper long to sell Canada out to Quebec. Remember Harper saying I don't govern by polls yea sure asshole, he turns around and throws buckets of money at Quebec and then gives them Nation Status. Ouch is that a knife in my freaking back, nope it's a poutine fork.

 

[Kreskin]

Does anyone know what this all means?

 

[Curiosity]

The New Nation of Quebecois

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/27/nation-vote.html

Don't know if this was posted already - but just in case

House passes motion recognizing Québécois as nation

Last Updated: Monday, November 27, 2006 | 8:51 PM ET

CBC News


The House of Commons has overwhelmingly passed a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation within Canada.
Conservatives, most Liberal MPs, the NDP and the Bloc voted 266 to 16 in support of the controversial motion, which earlier in the day had prompted the resignation of Michael Chong as intergovernmental affairs minister.
Fifteen Liberal MPs voted against the motion, along with Independent MP Garth Turner.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper had introduced the surprise motion on Nov. 22, raising the ante on a Bloc Québécois motion that sought to declare Quebecers a nation without reference to Canada.
The motion states: "That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada."
The prime minister has said he is using the word nation in a "cultural-sociological" rather than in a legal sense.


The nationhood idea has preoccupied Ottawa since the Bloc proposed a motion calling on the House to recognize Quebecers as a nation and Harper made a counter-proposal to define Québécois as a nation within Canada.

Stephen Harper votes for a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation. ​

(CBC) ​

Over the following two days, the Bloc first amended its motion to say that they are a nation "currently within Canada" — leaving the door open to independence — and then declared its support for the government motion.
Liberal leadership hopefuls Gerard Kennedy, who doesn't have a seat in Parliament, and Ken Dryden announced on Monday that they opposed the motion.
Dryden and leadership candidate Joe Volpe voted against the motion.
Chong had said he would abstain from voting because the motion "implies the recognition of ethnicity.
"I do not believe in an ethnic nationalism. I believe in a civic nationalism."