Quebec as a Nation=Quebec as a Nazi regime

[General James Wolfe]

Time for the Canadain Goverment to expell the Quebecois from Canada like the British exepelled the Acadians. Is ovious that the Quebecois have no loyalty to Canada and like the Albanians of Kosovo who have no loyalty to Serbia should be expelled by force if neccesary. The Quebecois can be sent to other French nations like


01. France
02. Belguim
03. Switzerland


The Quebecois can go to Switzerland where they can become the majority of the population and restore the "Helvetic Republic" the dream of their hero Napolean. Geneva, Berne and Zuric can replace Montreal and Quebec City.


Quebecois

Switzerland is your promise land.


Quebec belongs to Canada today
Quebec belongs to Canada tomorrow
Quebec belongs to Canada forever


LONG LIVE CANADA
DEATH TO QUEBEC NATIONALISM

 

[Numure]

:shock:

I have read your posts over the past 18 months, and have always found them to be interesting to say the least. That comment really threw me off, never thought I would see you say something like that.

That* havnt learned french.

 

[Numure]

I have no respect, nor sympathy for any Quebecois that failed to learn English, the other official language of Canada.

And why should we learn English? Québec is French, period. I wouldnt ask an Ontarian to learn French, his province is english.

 

[s_lone]

Time for the Canadain Goverment to expell the Quebecois from Canada like the British exepelled the Acadians. Is ovious that the Quebecois have no loyalty to Canada and like the Albanians of Kosovo who have no loyalty to Serbia should be expelled by force if neccesary. The Quebecois can be sent to other French nations like


01. France
02. Belguim
03. Switzerland


The Quebecois can go to Switzerland where they can become the majority of the population and restore the "Helvetic Republic" the dream of their hero Napolean. Geneva, Berne and Zuric can replace Montreal and Quebec City.


Quebecois

Switzerland is your promise land.


Quebec belongs to Canada today
Quebec belongs to Canada tomorrow
Quebec belongs to Canada forever


LONG LIVE CANADA
DEATH TO QUEBEC NATIONALISM

Time for Wolfy the Puppy to stop babbling the same old crap. I'm starting to think you're actually not a real human being. I suspect you of being a malfunctioning robot jammed into an ever-repeating loop.

 

[CDNBear]

And why should we learn English? Québec is French, period. I wouldnt ask an Ontarian to learn French, his province is english.

So in other words, if I read your post correctly. The English should stay in Free Canada and the French should stay in fascist Quebec?

Quebec is a French province, firstly. Secondly it is a province of Canada. Canada has two official languages. That are represented throughout. It is the duty of all Canadians to understand that and respect it. You seemingly have a better grasp of the English language, they I have of French. Yet I lived in a French household, went to a French school, and spoke French fluintly as a child and young adult. It was my choice later, after years of watching Quebec stifle the writes of others, that I made a personal "choice" to not use it. I can bearly read it, I watch French TV, if the program grabs my attention. But I speak it not so bad.

If I go to Quebec and that is often. I do not expect to be served en Anglais. I expect to be served en Francais. Rightly so as well. The same applies to the Francais, when they visit Free Canada. Yet, they are more apt to get the knickers in a knot, then the rest of us.

Besides all that, have you given much thought to the fact that the Global language of choice and business is English???

Did you find the post I proved your Internation law "base" was wrong, in?

 

[selfactivated]

*raising hand very timidly* Whats a moonbat?

 

[Logic 7]

Please show us where you got your information on the Natives of Quebec supporting the seperatists...

The natives always support the separatist, but they don't want to be separated, that is their choice, no one in quebec is giving them a hard time,and if you know canadian history, then you should know that the french were the nicest one to the natives, the french didnt want to kill them all, they deal with them, then the barbarian came, and kill them all, with the help of iroquois which was the only indian tribes, that no one else like from the natives, so get your facts straight mr magoo.

 

[Logic 7]

So in other words, if I read your post correctly. The English should stay in Free Canada and the French should stay in fascist Quebec?

Quebec is a French province, firstly. Secondly it is a province of Canada. Canada has two official languages. That are represented throughout. It is the duty of all Canadians to understand that and respect it. You seemingly have a better grasp of the English language, they I have of French. Yet I lived in a French household, went to a French school, and spoke French fluintly as a child and young adult. It was my choice later, after years of watching Quebec stifle the writes of others, that I made a personal "choice" to not use it. I can bearly read it, I watch French TV, if the program grabs my attention. But I speak it not so bad.

If I go to Quebec and that is often. I do not expect to be served en Anglais. I expect to be served en Francais. Rightly so as well. The same applies to the Francais, when they visit Free Canada. Yet, they are more apt to get the knickers in a knot, then the rest of us.

Besides all that, have you given much thought to the fact that the Global language of choice and business is English???

Did you find the post I proved your Internation law "base" was wrong, in?

The only fascist regime in canada, is the english side, you can't talk french in other provincy other than quebec and new bruinswick, even though there is more french people in ontario than there is englisth peoples in quebec, still french doesnt have 50% of the rights that english has in quebec.

Exactly canada has 2 officials languages, and the only place you feel that , is in new bruinswick and quebec, even though in new bruunswick there is 35 % of french, about 6 times the amount of englisth peoples there is in quebec, and there is no french sign to accomodate them.

 

[CDNBear]

The natives always support the separatist, but they don't want to be separated, that is their choice, no one in quebec is giving them a hard time,and if you know canadian history, then you should know that the french were the nicest one to the natives, the french didnt want to kill them all, they deal with them, then the barbarian came, and kill them all, with the help of iroquois which was the only indian tribes, that no one else like from the natives, so get your facts straight mr magoo.

Could you please supply some proof of all this.

I doubt it.

You do not even know who or what the Iroquois are or were.

You have given no proof of your position, yet I have posted contradictions to it time and time again. The Assembly of First Nations, stand against the Quebecois. The First Nation of the Cree stand against the Quebecois. The First Nation of the Innu stand against the Quebecois. And last but not least. The ones that were once the Frenches greatest allies the Mohawk of the St Lawrance valley and the Wendat(Huron), do not support the seperatists. You can scream it at your computer untill hell freezes over, it will not change the truth.


1. The Crees of Quebec
The Grand Council of the Crees (of Quebec), under leadership of Grand Chief Matthew Coon Come, have been the most outspoken aboriginal group. The Crees have asserted for many years that they are a people, with a right to self-determination recognized under international law. They argue that no annexation of them or their territory to an independent Quebec should take place without their consent, and that if Quebec has the right to leave Canada then the Cree people have the right to choose to keep their territory in Canada. Cree arguments generally do not claim the right to secede from Canada; rather, the Crees see themselves as a people bound to Canada by treaty (the JBNQA), and as citizens of Canada.(6)
The Crees have stated that a unilateral declaration of independence by Quebec would be a violation of fundamental principles of human rights, democracy and consent. If secession were to proceed, the Crees argue they would seek protection through the Canadian courts as well as asserting Cree jurisdiction over its people and lands.
In the period leading up to the referendum, the Crees were active at both the domestic and international levels. A Cree Commission held 14 hearings in 10 different communities during August and September 1995. Its report, "The Voice of a Nation on Self-Determination," affirmed Cree opposition to secession without their consent, and restated their commitment to maintain a relationship with the federal government.
In October 1995, the Crees released a study, Sovereign Injustice, which cited a variety of Canadian and international sources to support their case.(7) The book updates a study completed in 1991 and submitted to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights at its forty-eighth session in February 1992. Sovereign Injustice emphasizes that aboriginal peoples have a right to self-determination, including a right to stay in Canada. It argues that the forcible inclusion of the Crees in any future Quebec state would lack validity and legitimacy from the viewpoint of international, Canadian, and aboriginal law and practice. Such an action, the Crees assert, would also seriously detract from Quebec’s claims that it is resorting to fair or democratic process to achieve its goals.
The study also argues that there is no rule under Canadian or international law that would ensure the present boundaries of Quebec would become those of a sovereign Quebec state.
The paper notes that portions of Quebec annexed to the province in 1898 and 1912 constitute in large part the traditional territories of the James Bay Cree and other aboriginal peoples, which were added to the province without their consent. It concludes that the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement provides for permanent federal obligations that could not be unilaterally undertaken by Quebec.
To highlight their opposition to Quebec secession, the Crees held a separate referendum on 24 October 1995. Cree voters were asked: "Do you consent, as a people, that the Government of Quebec separate the James Bay Crees and Cree traditional territory from Canada in the event of a Yes vote in the Quebec referendum?" The Crees voted 96.3% to stay with Canada. Of 6,380 eligible voters, 77% participated in the Cree referendum.
Cree concerns over secession continue in the post-referendum period. In late January 1996, Coon-Come urged the prime minister to make a formal declaration in the House of Commons supporting the Cree decision to remain in Canada if Quebec secedes. The Crees again asserted that the JBNQA is a treaty that binds the federal government to protect Cree interests in the event of a unilateral declaration of independence by Quebec.(8) The Crees also appeared during Senate Committee hearings on Bill C-110 (An Act respecting constitutional amendments). They opposed the bill, arguing that reforms should not be made at the expense of the Crees and other aboriginal peoples.(9) In their view, Bill C-110 could constrain the federal government from tabling constitutional initiatives to protect the rights of aboriginal peoples in the context of Quebec secession. The Crees proposed an amendment in the event that the Senate supported the bill, a non-derogation clause to ensure that the Act would not constrain the powers of Parliament to propose or to authorize an amendment to the constitution in order to: a) recognize, affirm or protect the aboriginal peoples and their aboriginal and treaty rights or other rights and freedoms, or b) preserve and protect the national unity and territorial integrity of Canada. The Crees also called for their inclusion in federal unity initiatives.
2. Inuit of Northern Quebec
The Inuit of Northern Quebec also raised significant concerns over the future of their territory. Like the Crees, they assert the right to self-determination, and the choice to remain in the Canadian federation. The Inuit held a separate referendum, on 29 October 1995. Inuit voters were asked the question: "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign?" With about 75% of eligible voters casting ballots, 96% voted against Quebec’s becoming sovereign. This result was similar to the outcome of the vote carried out by the Inuit parallel to the 1980 Quebec referendum, in which 94% had voted "no."
Inuit continue to argue that they have rights to remain Canadian citizens and keep northern Quebec within Canada, which are supported by section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 and the JBNQA. For reasons similar to the Crees’, the Inuit opposed Bill C-110. They recommended that the proposal be reconsidered, and if not, supported the adoption of an amendment identical to that put forward by the Crees.
3. Other Aboriginal Groups
Leaders of other aboriginal peoples in Quebec have also expressed their opposition to taking aboriginal land out of Canada. In early October 1995, First Nations Chiefs, in a statement entitled "Reaffirmation of Aboriginal Peoples of Quebec and Labrador’s Right to Co-Exist in Peace and Friendship," articulated their resistance to the forcible inclusion of aboriginal people in a new, independent state, arguing that it would be contrary to international law.(10)
Contrary to usual practice, many aboriginal peoples exercised their right to vote, the exception being Mohawks of Kahnasetake, Kahnawake, and Akwesasne. Elsewhere, Indians registered a strong federalist voice.(11) Published referendum results show that more than 95% of aboriginal peoples who participated in the referendum voted "no."
During the final week of the referendum campaign, Quebec chiefs, along with Assembly of First Nations Grand Chief Ovide Mercredi, made it clear that they expect to participate in any discussions on Canada’s future.

http://dsp-psd.communication.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp412-e.htm#3. %20Other%20Aboriginal%20Groups(txt)


That is all documented fact, get over it. You lose.

 

[General James Wolfe]

The French Canadains have abused their righs. The Anglo-Canadians have been far to leiniant with Franco-Quebecois. Canada has used the carrot and that has not worked so its time to use the stick. The Quebecois are gust of the Anglo-Canadains and should be thankfull that they allow them to live in Canada and not throw their asses out.


Quebec is an English province and not a French province.



Quebecois


Like it or not, The British defeated the French for Quebec so that makes Quebec Canadian property. The Victor the (British) goes the spoils (Quebec). Time for the Canadains to establish a hardline position on Quebec and force English on these ungratefull SOBs who they did not expell to which they should have.


QUEBEC BELONGS TO ANGLO-CANADA


You can like it or leave it, All of Canada is an English speaking nation if you dont like it you can leave for Switzerland or Belguim.

 

[CDNBear]

This was my favourite part of the whole document...

Published referendum results show that more than 95% of aboriginal peoples who participated in the referendum voted "no."

That speaks vulumns on your understanding of facts, your grasp of reality, your ablity to read, your state of conscieciousness and the position of us Natives, that WE DO NOT SUPPORT A SOVERIEGN QUEBEC.

 

[Numure]

So in other words, if I read your post correctly. The English should stay in Free Canada and the French should stay in fascist Quebec?

Quebec is a French province, firstly. Secondly it is a province of Canada. Canada has two official languages. That are represented throughout. It is the duty of all Canadians to understand that and respect it. You seemingly have a better grasp of the English language, they I have of French. Yet I lived in a French household, went to a French school, and spoke French fluintly as a child and young adult. It was my choice later, after years of watching Quebec stifle the writes of others, that I made a personal "choice" to not use it. I can bearly read it, I watch French TV, if the program grabs my attention. But I speak it not so bad.

If I go to Quebec and that is often. I do not expect to be served en Anglais. I expect to be served en Francais. Rightly so as well. The same applies to the Francais, when they visit Free Canada. Yet, they are more apt to get the knickers in a knot, then the rest of us.

Besides all that, have you given much thought to the fact that the Global language of choice and business is English???

Did you find the post I proved your Internation law "base" was wrong, in?

If one wishes to explore the world and a career in Finances, then of course english is an unnofficial languge to know. The reason I know english quite well, is for does reasons. The majority of Québececer dont need to know english, as they can live their lives in french (Thx to bill 101). But they still learn the basics, threwout elementry, secondary and CÉGEP.

 

[Numure]

This was my favourite part of the whole document...

Published referendum results show that more than 95% of aboriginal peoples who participated in the referendum voted "no."

That speaks vulumns on your understanding of facts, your grasp of reality, your ablity to read, your state of conscieciousness and the position of us Natives, that WE DO NOT SUPPORT A SOVERIEGN QUEBEC.

http://www.pum.umontreal.ca/apqc/97_...illy/tbl10.gif

90% actually. Still a quite valid point though.

20k People though, doesnt scare 6 million.

 

[CDNBear]

If one wishes to explore the world and a career in Finances, then of course english is an unnofficial languge to know. The reason I know english quite well, is for does reasons. The majority of Québececer dont need to know english, as they can live their lives in french (Thx to bill 101). But they still learn the basics, threwout elementry, secondary and CÉGEP.

So you chatise those that fail to learn French, but defend those that fail to learn English. That sir is the apitamy of the hypocracy the seperatist movement embraces.

 

[CDNBear]

The only fascist regime in canada, is the english side, you can't talk french in other provincy other than quebec and new bruinswick, even though there is more french people in ontario than there is englisth peoples in quebec, still french doesnt have 50% of the rights that english has in quebec.

Exactly canada has 2 officials languages, and the only place you feel that , is in new bruinswick and quebec, even though in new bruunswick there is 35 % of french, about 6 times the amount of englisth peoples there is in quebec, and there is no french sign to accomodate them.

I do not know why I'm asking this, you can not back up anything you say, but what the hell.

Please provide proof of how Free Canada has been fascist towords French speaking people in say the last 50 years?

 

[Numure]

So you chatise those that fail to learn French, but defend those that fail to learn English. That sir is the apitamy of the hypocracy the seperatist movement embraces.

Did I ever blame Canadians from not learning french? Not at all. I blame does that live in Québec, a french province, of not learning french.

 

[CDNBear]

Did I ever blame Canadians from not learning french? Not at all. I blame does that live in Québec, a french province, of not learning french.

So does that give Free Canada the right to chastise those that speak but French in other parts of the country other then Quebec?

 

[Numure]

That's their affairs. We arnt out to protect french rights all over the world, only ours here in Québec. We are the majority, we make the rules. If the RoC wants to become unilingual again, that's their motto. I couldnt care less.

 

[CDNBear]

That's their affairs. We arnt out to protect french rights all over the world, only ours here in Québec. We are the majority, we make the rules. If the RoC wants to become unilingual again, that's their motto. I couldnt care less.

I'm glad to hear that, I am equally glad you did not resort to name calling in that entire conversation.

So what is it you want out of separation and why?

Why is it important, our Native lands go with Quebec, other then Ruperts Land. I understand the energy issue there. But the whole, we must follow along thing really seems hypocritical. Perhaps you and I could take this conversation over to the Division thread and continue, I'm beginning to enjoy the chat.

 

[nimafarid2007]

Like it or not, The British defeated the French for Quebec so that makes Quebec Canadian property. The Victor the (British) goes the spoils (Quebec). Time for the Canadains to establish a hardline position on Quebec and force English on these ungratefull SOBs who they did not expell to which they should have.

So you are saying that just because the british have defeated the french, the british control was legitimate over Quebec??? Welcome to jungle everyone. If you have more power, you defeat smaller countries and their land is yours!!! Come on, so based on your logic, Palestine has no right to exist, because Israel defeated arabs. and then you must ont try to liberate your land occupied by enemy, because it is not yours anymore, it is theirs and you have no right to liberate it. (But they did have the right to take YOUR land away before!)