Quebec as a Nation=Quebec as a Nazi regime

[Said1]

I think socialism works and though a high ideal to reach for is workable. Most western goverments are to some extent socialist, even the US. Communism does not work. Communism has the ability to mass huge numbers of relatively poor peoples to work on infrastructure projects and may supply the basic needs of society, but does not address the "wants" of a society. People want to advance, they want better for their children, they want luxury items. All work and no play makes Jack/Jill a dull person. Socialism addresses the "wants" of society. People want to be looked after when they grow old, they want effective healthcare, they want quality education for their children.

It works until it gets too expensive, which is inevitable as government is prone to mismanagement, among other things. As for the 'wants' of society, get a job.

Capitalism does not work. The gap between rich and poor gets wider all the time. Wealth accumulates in the top percentile of the population. Eventually the poor rebel. Maybe not violently but fringe parties arise that capture the imagination of people with grand plans of wealth redistribution and equalization. Nationalism rise it's ugly head as outsiders or the elite are blamed for the woes of society. If the elite remain in power they turn the peoples attention outside their own borders. If the downtrodden come to power they attack the intellectuals and entrepeneurs.

Typical situations found in socialist-dictator regimes you often find in developing and underdeveloping nations, better known as the third world and Nazi Germany. Which, with the exception of Germany, are not exactly good examples of failed capitalism.

I feel if Quebec seperated, they would have a civil war with the native population. Northern Quebec where all the resources are is almost all Cree nations people. Quebec is not viable without the north, Ungava Penninsula and the Labrador border region. Natives in Quebec did not have the vote till 1970. I think they will elect to stay with Canada.

If Quebec seperated, they'd be screwed. The Canadian government would not accept soverienty-association and they'd spend the next 15 in negotiations at the WTO and then another 10 worming their way into NAFTA. No more protectionist policies.....NOTHING. I'd like to see how they 'pan' out at the WTO personally, but I don't think that'll ever happen......then there's the bank of Canada......no more influence there.....mmmmmwwwwhhhhahahahahahahahaha.

 

[CDNBear]

Still waiting for some proof that the Natives of Quebec are the seperatists biggest supporters...

In preparation for a Yes side victory, aboriginal peoples in Quebec strongly affirmed their right to self determination. First Nations Chiefs all articulated that forcing them to join an independent Quebec would violate international law. In the final week of the referendum campaign, they would insist on being full participants in any new constitutional negotiations resulting from the referendum. They would vote overwhelmingly against Quebec independence on the eve of the referendum [3]
The James Bay Cree of Northern Quebec were particularly vocal in their resistance to the idea of being included in an independent Quebec. Grand Chief Mathew Coon-Come issued a legal paper titled Sovereign Injustice that sought to affirm the Cree right to self-determination in keeping their territories in Canada [4]. On 24 October 1995 they organized their own referendum asking the question: "Do you consent, as a people, that the Government of Quebec separate the James Bay Crees and Cree traditional territory from Canada in the event of a Yes vote in the Quebec referendum?" With a 77% participation rate, the 96.3 % of Crees voted to stay in Canada. [5] The Inuit of Nunavik held a similar local vote asking "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign?", with 96% voting No.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Quebec_referendum

 

[CDNBear]

And still I wait for logic 7 to post some proof the Natives support the Parti d'uh Quebecois???

 

[Toro]

I didn't read that whole thing. I just read the last paragraph.

What was most amusing about that paragraph was how it reminded me about the Marxist theoriticians in academia. There are all these little branches of this line of thought and that line of thought, all these permutations of whatever for the working class, and how each and everyone of them claims to be the true vanguard for the working class revolution.

And then they try to apply it to the real world, i.e. through the political process, and nobody gives a sh!t!

Well, they may have 12 supporters across the country, but what really matters is how ideologically pure they are.

Too funny.

 

[Toro]

Still waiting for some proof that the Natives of Quebec are the seperatists biggest supporters...

Speaking of funny...

:lol: :lol:

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that logic7 was here to just yank our chains.

 

[CDNBear]

Speaking of funny...

:lol: :lol:

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that logic7 was here to just yank our chains.

I still don't think illogic is real. I still haven't found anyone other the her and John Muff, that type in broken spoken english, that are truly French,lol. So it would seem I agree in part. But I think illogic is in need of some serious medication.

As for the OP, I skimmed it for the quotes by Parizeau and not the content before, I posted it. Had i read the entire thing, I likely would have moved on to another site, lol.

 

[Toro]

Capitalism does not work.

I missed this.

Of course capitalism works. It is the greatest wealth-creation mechanism the planet has ever seen. It is the great distributor of technology and is the single biggest reason why most of us are alive today.

 

[CDNBear]

I missed this.

Of course capitalism works. It is the greatest wealth-creation mechanism the planet has ever seen. It is the great distributor of technology and is the single biggest reason why most of us are alive today.

Toro, you're scaring me! You're analysing this article way to much, lol. Stop reading it, you might get infected, lol.

 

[Numure]

Hey illogic, that is history. Try catching up to the present day Quebec where Native rights are dismissed on a whim by Quebec courts.

I want to see your proof of how the Natives in Quebec voted.

Take your meds, I am Native, raised in Quebec on a reserve, have family still on reservations in Quebec, I KNOW how the Quebecuois treat Natives you ass. You really need help, if you think the Natives are going to follow your dear leaders in to the brave new world of nazi quebec. That would be a death sentance.

Because all Natives have the same opinion, the same culture, the same language and are treated the same by Ottawa and Québec City. Stop thinking your the guru or Natives, you arnt.

 

[MikeyDB]

Peace on Earth and Good will to all man....

Sure....

 

[Numure]

Isnt there an Algonquin Scholar in the Bloc?

http://www.pum.umontreal.ca/apqc/97_98/drouilly/tbl10.gif

 

[MikeyDB]

Compassion can wait.


During the joy and celebration of the Second World War six million Jews were exterminated (contested); twenty million Russians were killed by Joseph Stalin (starved to death Ukraine) and millions perished fighting the Nazis during the Second World War; several hundred thousand were burned to death by American bombers using incendiary explosives on a dozen Japanese cities (before dropping 2 (two) nuclear devices on “industrial” cities; Twenty million native South Americans were exterminated by Spanish Portuguese and various other “civilized” (non-pagan) societies;
…

The list of people languishing in the glow of Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Mankind is lengthy…

Join a terrorist organization…in a heart beat….it’s as easy as voting.

 

[CDNBear]

Because all Natives have the same opinion, the same culture, the same language and are treated the same by Ottawa and Québec City. Stop thinking your the guru or Natives, you arnt.

Ummm, your bigotry is showing again.

We are as varied and differring as the the seasons. She made a claim, I posted several pieces of facts of where the various Nations, withing Quebec stand. Proving her claim that the Natives supported, was completely untrue. All I was asking in the post you quoted, was, where's the beef, show me the money, back it up. Something you haven't been able to do, since I proved your BS about International not supporting Native rights and/or land claims.

I may not be a Native Guru, but when it comes to the history of the Native peoples of Canada, both past and contemparary, I'm not only light years ahead of you, I'm a freakin' genieous.

Isnt there an Algonquin Scholar in the Bloc?

http://www.pum.umontreal.ca/apqc/97_98/drouilly/tbl10.gif

But one man, against the wills of the masses. So that somehow justifies your position and puppet 7's. Try harder, your falling apart.

 

[Numure]

But one man, against the wills of the masses. So that somehow justifies your position and puppet 7's. Try harder, your falling apart.

I'm not the one defending the position, moron. Beside, I have little to no respect for the natives that live in Québec, that havnt learned french.

 

[Numure]

Something you haven't been able to do, since I proved your BS about International not supporting Native rights and/or land claims.

You didnt prove **** all.

 

[I think not]

I'm not the one defending the position, moron. Beside, I have little to no respect for the natives that live in Québec, and havnt learned french.

:shock:

I have read your posts over the past 18 months, and have always found them to be interesting to say the least. That comment really threw me off, never thought I would see you say something like that.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm not the one defending the position, moron. Beside, I have little to no respect for the natives that live in Québec, and havnt learned french.

Back to name calling I see.

Do you have anything to add to the debate, or just more hate and racial bigotry?

I will agree that even my community has turned its back on the French Mohawk. They left the circle of the Great Law. We did not throw them out. But you must not know that they were your allies at one point, and fought along side your ancestors for their very righ to survive.

I have no respect, nor sympathy for any Quebecois that failed to learn English, the other official language of Canada.

You didnt prove **** all.

Yes I did. You chose not to accept the facts that INternational Law excepts all National treaties with Indiginous Peoples as Common International Law.

Your refusal to except that, is a sympton of your racist bigotry, not a fact in evidence.

 

[CDNBear]

:shock:

I have read your posts over the past 18 months, and have always found them to be interesting to say the least. That comment really threw me off, never thought I would see you say something like that.

Are you kidding me ITN!!!???

Have you seen the racial vitriol this person has posted to me???

And this is the one that threw you off???

 

[I think not]

Are you kidding me ITN!!!???

Have you seen the racial vitriol this person has posted to me???

And this is the one that threw you off???

No honestly I haven't been interested in the Quebec separation thing in a while. I just read the last couple of posts.

 

[CDNBear]

No honestly I haven't been interested in the Quebec separation thing in a while. I just read the last couple of posts.

As I know you hold Natives in a special place, ITN, you should go back and read the tripe this person has posted about Natives, then of course back peddles on, when he realizes how sounds and how it makes the seperatists look. But we all see through it, it isn't hard to see the real issue in this individual.

It is the very reason, that Quebec should not be given free reign over the Natives in Quebec. It would not end well.