Quebec and the Fairy Godmother !!

Durry

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Copy of a resent article that appeared in the Calgary Herald.

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Subject: Alberta's oil industry- article from Calgary Herald

This is the typical*Alberta*view on our relationship with the ROC (rest of*Canada), excluding B.C. and*Saskatchewan*of course.
Fascinating article by Lisa Corbella of the Calgary Herald.

Something has to give!!

Quebec*and the Fairy Godmother

Today, let's have some fun and play Fairy Godmother to*Quebec*. Let's grant the province the wish it articulated in Copenhagen*. Wave the magic wand and poof, wish granted. Shut down*Alberta*'s oilsands, except, since it's*Quebec*making the wish, we have to call it tarsands, even though it's not tar they use to run their Bombardier planes, trains and Skidoos.

Ah, at last! The blight on*Canada*'s reputation shut down.* All those dastardly workers from across Canada living in Fort McMurray, Calgary and Edmonton out of jobs, including those waitresses, truck drivers, nurses, teachers, doctors, pilots, engineers etc. They can all go on Employment insurance like*Ontario*autoworkers and*Quebec*parts makers!

Closing down*Alberta*'s oil industry would immediately stop the production of 1.8 million barrels of oil a day. Supply and demand being what it is, oil prices will go up and therefore the cost at the pump will go up, too, increasing the cost of everything else.

But lost jobs in*Alberta*and across the country along with higher gas prices are a small price to pay to save the world and not "embarrass" Quebecers on the world stage. Not to worry though,*Saudi Arabia,*Libya*and*Nigeria*can come to the rescue. You know, the guys who pump money into al-Qaida and help Osama bin Laden target those Van Doos fighting in Afghanistan*. Bloody oil is so much nicer than dirty tarsands oil.

Shutting down the oilsands will reduce*Canada*'s greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by 38.4 Mt (megatonnes). Hooray! It's so fun to be a Fairy Godmother! While that sounds like a lot,*Canada*only produces two per* cent of the world's man-made GHGs and the oilsands only produce five per cent of*Canada*'s total emissions or 0.1 per cent of the world's emissions.* By comparison, the*U.S.*produces 20.2 per cent of the world's GHG emissions, 27 per cent of which comes from coal-fired electricity.

The 530-square-kilometre piece of land currently disturbed by the oilsands (which is smaller than the*John*F.*Kennedy*Space Center*at*Cape Canaveral*,*Fla.*at 570 square kilometres) must be reclaimed by law and* will return to*Alberta*'s 381,000 square kilometres of boreal forest, a huge carbon sink.

Quebec , of course, has clean hydro power, but more than 13,000 square kilometres were drowned for the James Bay hydroelectric project, permanently removing that forest from acting as a carbon sink.

But Fairy Godmother is digressing all over the place. While the oilsands only produce five per cent of*Canada*'s GHGs, it contributes much more to*Canada*'s economy. After all, oil and gas make up one-quarter of the value on the TSX alone. Alberta*is also the largest net contributor per capita by far to Confederation and there are only two more -- B.C. and*Ontario*.

Quebec*hasn't made a net contribution to the rest of*Canada*for a very long time. This is not to be critical (after all, Fairy Godmothers never criticize), it's just a fact. In 2009, Albertans paid $40.46 billion in income, corporate and other taxes to the federal government and received back just $19.35 billion in services and goods from the feds. [/B]. In 2007 (the last year national figures are available),*Alberta*sent a net contribution of $19.49 billion to the ROC or $5,553 per Albertan -- more than three times what every Ontarian contributes at $1,757. Quebecers, on the other hand, each received $627 net or a total of $8 billion, money which was designed to help "equalize" social programs across the country.
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Except, that's not what is happening.*Quebec*has more generous social programs like (nearly) free university tuition (paid for mostly by Albertans) and cheap provincial day care (paid for mostly by Albertans).

But in this Fairy Godmother world, poof, those delightful unequal programs have now disappeared! Quel dommage!*

The July 2009 Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) report states that between 2008 and 2032, the oilsands will account for 172,000 person-years of employment in Ontario during the construction phase, plus 640,000 for operations over the 25-year period. For*Quebec, the oilsands will account for 84,000 person-years of employment during the construction phase, plus 292,000 for operations over the 25-year period.

In total, the oilsands are expected to add $1.7 trillion to*Canada*'s GDP over the next 25 years.

Wave wand and Poof, Jobs, gone! So, now that the oil industry has shut down and left*Alberta*,*Alberta*has become a have-not province and so has every other province. Equality at last! Hugo Chavez will be so pleased.

Meeting our*Copenhagen*targets suddenly looks possible, as most of us can't afford to drive our cars or buy anything but necessities, so manufacturers have closed their doors and emissions are way down.

The dream of many Quebecers to form their own nation and separate from*Canada*has died at last. Alas, in*Alberta*, separatist sentiment has risen dramatically, citizens vote to separate and the oil and gas industry returns.

Albertans start to pocket that almost $6,000 for each person that used to get sent elsewhere and now their kids get free tuition. Fairy Godmother's work is done. Wish granted. Quebecers must now sign up for a foreign worker visas to work in Alberta to send their cheques back home so junior can start saving up to pay for college.

Licia Corbella is editorial page editor of The Calgary Herald.
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Well written article,
Please forward to as many as possible.

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s_lone

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Hmmm... Why isn't Alberta already giving free tuition for Albertan kids? It can clearly afford it.
 

captain morgan

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The province has a modest deficit... Deficit being a key word here as opposed to Quebec whose deficit and debt rank 5th in severity with ALL western jurisdictions.

Perhaps that might be an answer as to why AB (or Ont, PEI, Sask, BC, etc) aren't offering free tuition like Que.... Que can't afford it either
 

Durry

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Hmmm... Why isn't Alberta already giving free tuition for Albertan kids? It can clearly afford it.

True what the Capt'n says above, but in addition, AB spends a lot of money building infrastructure. AB grows about one Red Deer every year.
When people come here to work, they do not bring their roads, schools or hospitals with them. These have to be built for them.

So growth is fine, but it's expensive!!
At the end of the day, I wonder how much I personally gain because of this growth??? Given how much we also give to other provinces to pay ther bills, maybe if we made enough for ourselves, that would be good enough. Ie,,Are we chasing our own tails??
 

s_lone

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The province has a modest deficit... Deficit being a key word here as opposed to Quebec whose deficit and debt rank 5th in severity with ALL western jurisdictions.

Perhaps that might be an answer as to why AB (or Ont, PEI, Sask, BC, etc) aren't offering free tuition like Que.... Que can't afford it either

Well let's be honest. Tuition is cheaper in Quebec but it's not free.
 

TenPenny

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resent article is an appropriate phrase.

True what the Capt'n says above, but in addition, AB spends a lot of money building infrastructure. AB grows about one Red Deer every year.
When people come here to work, they do not bring their roads, schools or hospitals with them. These have to be built for them.

So growth is fine, but it's expensive!!
At the end of the day, I wonder how much I personally gain because of this growth??? Given how much we also give to other provinces to pay ther bills, maybe if we made enough for ourselves, that would be good enough. Ie,,Are we chasing our own tails??

You seem to think that Ontario and Quebec never grew, and never were booming economies.

Are you really as dense as you pretend to be?
 

Durry

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You seem to think that Ontario and Quebec never grew, and never were booming economies.

Are you really as dense as you pretend to be?
No they grew alright, physically but unfortunately not mentally,,,,as your finances clearly shows.

I guess that continues to keep you in the dense category along with your provincial countrymen. To bad your to dense to realize it!!;lol;
 

taxslave

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It is not just Quebec that wants to destroy the oil industry. There are thousands of independently wealthy in BC that protest all economic activity.
 

TenPenny

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No they grew alright, physically but unfortunately not mentally,,,,as your finances clearly shows.

I guess that continues to keep you in the dense category along with your provincial countrymen. To bad your to dense to realize it!!;lol;

My finances? I don't live in Ontario.
 

Nuggler

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No they grew alright, physically but unfortunately not mentally,,,,as your finances clearly shows.

I guess that continues to keep you in the dense category along with your provincial countrymen. To bad your to dense to realize it!!;lol;


You definitely want to get back on the meds, Dreary.

No mental health clinics where you are?