Push For CANZUK Free Movement Gains Momentum

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Push For CANZUK Free Movement Gains Momentum

Imagine jetting off to New Zealand for four months each winter without needing to apply for a visa. Or heading to the U.K. to work for a decade without having to sort through work permits and residency applications.

That’s the future being proposed by CANZUK International, a non-profit organization advocating freedom of movement between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.



The idea has been around for a while, but it has recently picked up steam with support from a handful of Canadian and foreign politicians (including Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer), and an international petition that now counts more than 200,000 signatories.

But what, exactly, is the CANZUK movement proposing? And what are some of the potential benefits and drawbacks of this four-country alliance?

According to James Skinner, chief executive of CANZUK International, the organization’s proposals can be broken down into three key areas: freedom of movement, free trade and foreign policy co-operation.

“We would like to see a common free-trade agreement negotiated between these countries,” Skinner explained. “We now think it’s a great time for that to happen seeing as the U.K. is leaving the European Union as of next year.”

Freedom of movement for citizens of each country would be “controlled,” he noted, with certain health and security restrictions in place if people want to travel or work between the member states. Someone on a terror watch-list or with a serious criminal record would not qualify, for instance.

“That would essentially emulate what happens with Australia and New Zealand right now. They have freedom of movement through the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement, so each of their citizens can move freely between the countries while their economies also engage in free trade.”

Canada and the U.K. would simply need to join those agreements, CANZUK proponents argue. The organization is careful to note, however, that “no effort in developing a supranational parliament, court system or currency will be made.”

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The upside of this kind of arrangement is fairly obvious, at least from the point of view of the average citizen.

CANZUK International notes that, among other things, Canadian citizens would have increased freedom to work in, live in, or visit the other countries.

We could, for example, winter in Australia and vice-versa, creating a more reciprocal “snowbird” relationship than the one that currently exists with a country like Mexico.

Canada also needs to increase immigration to promote and sustain economic growth, Skinner noted.

“So our argument is, well if we’re looking for immigration to stimulate the Canadian economy, what better places to look than Australia, New Zealand and the U.K.?” he said.

“I mean, we share the same language, workers from these countries are highly skilled, they’re very proficient in the service industry and also the manual industry such as oil rigging.”

On the free-trade side, CANZUK International argues that this would be a golden opportunity for Canada and the other countries to further diversify their trade agreements as older pacts like NAFTA flounder.

“Push For CANZUK Free Movement Gains Momentum” – CANZUK International

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https://www.narcity.com/news/free-m...new-zealand-and-the-uk-could-become-a-reality
 

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NZ just made it illegal for non-NZlanders to own property in NZ.

They are quite concerned that foreign investment is driving up prices.
 

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NZ just made it illegal for non-NZlanders to own property in NZ.

They are quite concerned that foreign investment is driving up prices.

Yes, but this would be reciprocal, meaning that New Zealanders could just as easily buy property in Newfoundland and so reduce the price in New Zealand. When it's reciprocal, it shouldn't cause too many problems.

One thing I will say though is that CANZUK will never, ever replace regional trade due to transportation costs. Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand as so scattered that CANZUK, though beneficial, can serve only as a secondary but beneficial trade area. This would mean that while we could agree to open borders between CANZUK member-states, any XANZUK agreement must, absolutely must, allow its respective members to promote regional trade too. In other words, CANZUK must allow Canada to freely negotiate trade with the US, the UK with the EU, and Australia and New Zealand with ASEAN for example. CANZUK open borders would be an added bonus.
 

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NZ just made it illegal for non-NZlanders to own property in NZ.

They are quite concerned that foreign investment is driving up prices.

Yes, but if you're part of Canzuk i'm sure that you will be allowed.

The biggest gripe is people saying they don't want free movement with a muslim country like the UK. :lol:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/10/free_movement_for_uk_nz_australia_and_canada.html

The UK being considered a Muslim country.. LOL

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Imagine watching New Zealand squeeze you out of all of your agricultural exports as the Australians force you out of all of your mining exports.

What will the buy from us? Nothing much. Maple syrup.

Imagine!

CANZUK helps the UK, mostly, providing a means of replacing some of the damage done to them by their bad choices. We no longer owe the UK anything other than our friendship. There was a time when they defended these fledgling colonies at very considerable expense but the debt has been paid with the blood of 100,000 dead Canadian boys and billions of dollars of war materiel written off by Canada.

There is little in this for Canada.
 
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Imagine watching New Zealand squeeze you out of all of your agricultural exports as the Australians force you out of all of your mining exports.

What will the buy from us? Nothing much. Maple syrup.

Imagine!

CANZUK helps the UK, mostly, providing a means of replacing some of the damage done to them by their bad choices. We no longer owe the UK anything other than our friendship. There was a time when they defended these fledgling colonies at very considerable expense but the debt has been paid with the blood of 100,000 dead Canadian boys and billions of dollars of war materiel written off by Canada.

There is little in this for Canada.

As I said, Canada and Australia would trade little and for two reasons: transportation costs and the fact that we produce mostly the same things. Little trade does not mean no trade though. Australia might still buy some of our maple syrup. As for Vegemite, we'd more probably buy Marmite due to transportation costs at least on the east coast. On the West Coast, Vegemite might stand a chance.

Even little trade still outdoes no trade and so is better than nothing. Again, CANZUK will not replace regional trade simply due to transportation costs. We'd absolutely need to treat CANZUK and just an added bonus to regional trade.
 

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Not very much of a chance-about as much as pigs flying.


In Ontario we can get Marmite. That makes sense though since the US is just off the Atlantic. The West Coast is more or less equal distance between Australia and the UK I'd imagine, though maybe other factors need to be taken into account too I suppose, like tariffs, transportation costs, etc.
 

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Imagine watching New Zealand squeeze you out of all of your agricultural exports as the Australians force you out of all of your mining exports.

What will the buy from us? Nothing much. Maple syrup.

Imagine!

CANZUK helps the UK, mostly, providing a means of replacing some of the damage done to them by their bad choices. We no longer owe the UK anything other than our friendship. There was a time when they defended these fledgling colonies at very considerable expense but the debt has been paid with the blood of 100,000 dead Canadian boys and billions of dollars of war materiel written off by Canada.

There is little in this for Canada.


Imagine all of Britain's finest being allowed to fly here unchecked............


 

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Fully NZ 83% want it.. AU is also high

You mean FULLY 83 percent of LIE-berals in various countries want it- so Europeans can share their Muslim and illegal immigrant problem with the world! Apparently neither New Zealanders nor Australians are aware that Nafta is being killed off by Our idiot Boy Justin because he refuses to take seriously the Yankee complaint that they do not want to import Muslim terror with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber! Kiwis will demand just as much security as Trump does! And that will kill the deal!
 

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Imagine all of Britain's finest being allowed to fly here unchecked............



Canadian Muslims would set them straight.

You mean FULLY 83 percent of LIE-berals in various countries want it- so Europeans can share their Muslim and illegal immigrant problem with the world! Apparently neither New Zealanders nor Australians are aware that Nafta is being killed off by Our idiot Boy Justin because he refuses to take seriously the Yankee complaint that they do not want to import Muslim terror with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber! Kiwis will demand just as much security as Trump does! And that will kill the deal!

Er... Unless CANZUK includes more countries than the stated four, then most of Europe would be outside of CANZUK. But hey, can't expect a high level of geography knowledge from someone who doesn't even know how to spell 'Liberal' in his first language.
 

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At best, it would be a British imperial old boys club.

Time to grow up Canada.

You mean at worst.

Honestly, I see minimal benefit to CANZUK simply due to geographical distance. That said, if there is political support for it, and if it would be more beneficial than harmful, then I support it. Personally, I'd rather Canada do like Singapore, lower tariffs, open our borders, allow visa-free visiting, but take no crap from visitors.
 

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You mean at worst.

Honestly, I see minimal benefit to CANZUK simply due to geographical distance. That said, if there is political support for it, and if it would be more beneficial than harmful, then I support it. Personally, I'd rather Canada do like Singapore, lower tariffs, open our borders, allow visa-free visiting, but take no crap from visitors.

We share common values and history with the Aussies, Kiwis and Brits and that is just about the end of it.

Our militaries are compatible. I suppose that if we decided to act together, we could form a formitable force in the world on our own without getting sucked up into the American coalition-du-jour and all of the negative consequences to those that follow them.